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D.Hasselhoff
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Starters-

Pg-CP3

Sg-

Sf-

Pf-BG32

C-DJ

Bench-

Pg-

Sg-Jamal Crawford/ willie green

Sf- Matt Barnes

Pf-

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Butler, bledsoe most likely to be traded. Matt Barnes most likely resigned.

Jerediscool
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Why is butler most likely traded and DJ isn't?

slestack11
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This would be best case in my opinion:

Pg: cp3, jarret jack, billups

Sg: oj mayo, Jamal Crawford, Willie green

Sf: Andre iguodala, Matt Barnes

Pf: Blake griffin, Ronny turiaf

C: nikola pekovic, Ryan hollins

realbull17
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nobody wants dj's god awful contract. caron is in his final yr with us.

clips15deep
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We cannot afford that, after signing paul we won't have the cap room to get all those guys.

Voyeur
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PG: CP3, Wayns

SG: Green (for continuity), Crawford

SF: Granger, Barnes

PF: Griffin, Turiaf

C: Cousins (that's right, I said it), Hollins

I don't know...probably can't afford that either.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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I don't care what the team does but they need to move DJ and fast. I say they package in Butler and Bledsoe as well and take back a bad contract. Milwaukee is WAY under the cap for next year and it's a high possibility they lose both Monta Ellis AND Brandon Jennings. I say send them those 3 guys and a 1st rounder for say next year for Larry Sanders, Drew Gooden and a 2nd rounder. I just want DJ off the team.

Voyeur
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I'm also okay with keeping Caron...if we can get a potent SG in the starting rotation. I feel it's important to have 3 starters stay. Or......starting Matt Barnes. I think Barnes would make an excellent starter if we can get an aggressive SG also.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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People may not like the idea but guys like Kyle Korver, Mike Dunleavy and JJ Reddick should be on the radar of this team. 2 of those guys can play the 3 or the 2. All are great shooters and would really help out a lot. It would also give us a clear starter at the 2 or the 3 if we got any of those 3 guys.

I think what we really need out there in our starting 5 is a proven shooter. Butler got a lot of points by going to the line and creating shots. He can't do that anymore, or at least doesn't try. If we had a gunner out there from long range to compliment CP3 and Blake, and if they kept DJ they have 1 starting spot to deal with. That can easily be taken care of by trading Bledsoe and Butler together.

Voyeur
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Y'know, I wasn't open to this earlier in the season, but I think I'm open to Pau. It's easy to call him soft, yet this guys still manages to get rebounds the old fashioned way. He can shoot, pass and post. And it would be really interesting to see him guard his brother in a playoff series.

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i wonder what the lakers would ask in exchange thouhg. They would probably want bledsoe included in a trade.

D.Hasselhoff
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What free agents are realistically available for us? After resigning cp3.

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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pg: assuming cp3 does want to leave, sign and trade him and dj to orlando, get afflalo, vucevic and

nelson in return. resignn ebled. go after iggy. sign reddick and resign barnes.

pg: nelson/ebled

sg: afflalo, reddick, green

sf: iggy, barnes, butler(hes an expiring contract, so a trade can be made here as well)

pf: BG, turiaf or whoever we draft

C: vucevic, hollins.

to me that is a a deep and rugged team. vucevic is on the verge of being a top 5 center in this league. we get better regarding spreading the floor with reddick, nelson, and iggy. if we wanted to be even more deadly, take a chance on channing frye to be griffin's backup. we would be a contender for sure.

however, if cp3 resigns, then ebled+DJ+butler are our tradeable assets.

gman
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Pg-CP , jose calderon wayns

SG afflalo jcraw green

sf butler or draft pick barnes hill

Pf BG LO(agrees to paycut) turiaf

C. Vucevic hollins

Trade ebled and dj to orlando. (vicevic or ebled?? who has a bigger upside, C and pg toughest position to fill)

Ask hill for one more run

a center that can make a shot and rebound. a sg that is a good defender has size and can score.

Not realy picking up free agents (check that, calderon. would he take the minimun?? money? championship chance?). trade and resigning our guys. can go over cap.

Not sure on afflalos and vicevic contract. most likely will have to take on nelson or hedos contratcs..throw butler

Andrew818
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My perfect line up for next year would look like this

PG:CP3,Nate Robinson,Billups

SG:J.J. Redick,Courtney Lee

SF:Butler,Maruice Harkless

PF:Blake,Elton Brand

C:Marcin Gortat or Anderson Varejao,Jermaine O'Neal,Ryan Hollins

Voyeur
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People are still in love with Lee...I don't get it.

tense2
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How much of the tax is DTS going to paying then, lol.

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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a lot of those lineups fail to take into consideration that cp3 resigning (assuming he does want the max), that the salary cap will hinder us, unless DTS wants to pay taxes. im not liking this "cp3 is taking his time" bs. just come out and say if u are resigning or not. now if cp3 resigns. @andrew818, whats up with crawford not being on your list. hes not going anywhere. id rather have billups go than crawford. courtney lee struggled with the celtics. not sure if id want him. if we got rid of ebled+dj and our first rd pick for vucevic, afflalo, we would have filled two slots, at center and at shooting guard. id also take a look at channing frye to be our stretch 5.

tense2
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^Unfortunately, most posters "forget" to take that important consideration into account.

Andrew818
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tense2 wrote:
Andrew818 wrote:
My perfect line up for next year would look like this

PG:CP3,Nate Robinson,Billups

SG:J.J. Redick,Courtney Lee

SF:Butler,Maruice Harkless

PF:Blake,Elton Brand

C:Marcin Gortat or Anderson Varejao,Jermaine O'Neal,Ryan Hollins

How much of the tax is DTS going to paying then, lol.

Probably none.Gortat makes about 3 Mill less than DJ does which give us about 10-12 Mill to split between these guys.Give Redick 6 Mill,Nate and Brand 2 Mill,and give Billups,O'Neal,and Hollins the vet minimum.Trading Crawford to the Celtics cancels out Lee's cost since they have very similar contracts and Harkless makes less than Bledsoe next year which gives us even more cushion.

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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^ nate and brand wont take 2 million, especially not nate since he has been balling in the playoffs. hollins may want a slight increase. same thing with oneal. billups should be the 3rd guard on this team at best. we need to get younger. i dont want the clips to turn into the retirement home team.

tense2
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^good luck

Andrew818
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If we get a new coach I think we should trade Crawford.Because we will get a couch like SVG or Jerry Sloan who won't let Crawford play with the freedom VDN let him play with and when Crawford doesn't get to play his style of Basketball he shuts down like he did in Portland.I don't want too trade Bledsoe,Crawford,or DJ but I think that we might have too.If anyone of those 3 stay it will most likely be Crawford but depending on the coach we might see him start to really struggle.

CP3Heliflopter
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Starters-

Pg-CP3

Sg- Willie Green

Sf- Not sure.

Pf- BG32

C- Gortat

Bench-

Pg- Nate Robinson, Wayns

Sg- Jamal Crawford

Sf- Matt Barnes

Pf- Elton Brand/Odom(vet min)

C- Jermaine O Neal/Hollins

Andrew818
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Brand probably will take 2 Mill on a contender since he did with the Mavs who didn't make the playoffs.Nate might not but if not him there are a couple of decent back up points guards we could get in FA.

Voyeur
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Sorry. Crawford's the perfect 6th man, no matter who's coaching. Lee is decidedly not.

As far as Point Guards. I'm not sure we need to sign a new one. I mean, I liked what I saw with Wayns. There's real potential there. May as well save some $$$ in that position. Obviously one worries about injuries. Maybe that's the one and only reason I might keep Billups...as backup to CP3. If he was willing. If he's not...he can kick rocks.

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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idk. it would be good to grab brand at 2 mil, but i doubt he takes that. but nowadays, who knows

tense2
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Andrew818 wrote:
bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
^ nate and brand wont take 2 million, especially not nate since he has been balling in the playoffs. hollins may want a slight increase. same thing with oneal. billups should be the 3rd guard on this team at best. we need to get younger. i dont want the clips to turn into the retirement home team.
Brand probably will take 2 Mill on a contender since he did with the Mavs who didn't make the playoffs.Nate might not but if not him there are a couple of decent back up points guards we could get in FA.

Brand took 2.1 mil because he was getting his big pay check from the 6er's, lol.

CP3Heliflopter
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Is Brand effective as a pick and pop player?

CP3Heliflopter
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tense2 wrote:
Andrew818 wrote:
bullterrierclipsfan1349 wrote:
^ nate and brand wont take 2 million, especially not nate since he has been balling in the playoffs. hollins may want a slight increase. same thing with oneal. billups should be the 3rd guard on this team at best. we need to get younger. i dont want the clips to turn into the retirement home team.
Brand probably will take 2 Mill on a contender since he did with the Mavs who didn't make the playoffs.Nate might not but if not him there are a couple of decent back up points guards we could get in FA.

Brand took 2.1 mil because he was getting his big pay check from the 6er's, lol.

He is 34 years old. How much $$ are people going to pay for him?

jarca
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Get a coach. We all saw it last season that even a great roster can't do well without proper coaching

tense2
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^don't know...how much is someone willing to pay for Barnes.

CP3Heliflopter
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He had a pretty good season on the Lakers too but no one forked over the cash so not much to be frank. Maybe 9m/3 tops.

KP
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In my dream world it would look like.... the bolded players being people we kept from this season

1- CP3, Isaiah Thomas Jr, Wayns

2- Mayo, Crawford, Green

3- Barnes, Hill

4- BG, Dujuan Blair, Odom (huge pay cut)

5- Dwight (sign and trade for Bledsoe, DJ, and butler), Hollins

essentially swapping

dj and butler for dwight

billups for mayo

turiaf for blair

bledsoe for thomas Jr

woooooooo!!!!! Just thinking about it makes me feel all tingly lol

Im not an expert on this gm type stuff but it seems like something like this is possible too... billups and mayo basically made the same thing last yr and dj, bledsoe, butler combined would match dwights salary... and we could basically give barnes the money we shave off odom's salary lol

D.Hasselhoff
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Cp3

Gordon Hayward or Aron afflalo

Matt Barnes

bg32

DJ

Shaun Livingston/ wayns

Jcross/ Willie green

Chase budinger or Trevor ariza

Lamar Odom

Chris kaman/ hollins

If we get ariza than either Ariza or Barnes could start.

Agent0
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Four scenarios: 1) Bledsoe stays 2) Bledsoe goes and Pierce is waived 3) Pierce is waived but Boston doesn't trade KG 4) Frye trade fails, Afflalo and Ariza + 4th

Scenario 1:

Trade Caron Butler to Phoenix for Channing Frye

Sign Korver for part of the MLE for 2 years

Attempt to resign Barnes

Re-sign Turiaf

Draft a project wing or backup PG at 25th

Phoenix: Butler expires, and moving Frye opens up minutes for the Morris brothers, and I suppose also for Beasley. It saves them money in the long run even though Butler makes a little more next season, almost $2M more.

Clippers: Save some more in the short term. Get a stretch PF/C who can also rebound defensively. He has the length, size and mobility to play both PF and C well enough, and can be put effectively next to either Blake or Jordan.

PG: Chris Paul / Eric Bledsoe

SG: Eric Bledsoe / Jamal Crawford / Willie Green

SF: Kyle Korver / Matt Barnes? / Grant Hill

PF: Blake Griffin / Channing Frye

C: DeAndre Jordan / Channing Frye

Others: Ronny Turiaf, Mailk Wayns, 25th pick

I know this doesn't maximize shooting, but I'm being budget conscious. I couldn't think of a proper trade for Bledsoe here, so I just went with starting him at SG and pairing him and Paul with a pure shooter. Guarding SF's will be a problem because Bledsoe doesn't have the length or size to move to SF, so Korver's minutes could be matchup dependent. The other option is to start Barnes and bring Bledsoe off the bench. Stagger the minutes so that either Bledsoe or Paul is on the floor at all times. I would say re-sign Odom, but with Frye on board, Odom's role decreases to a 13-15 MPG guy. If he's content with that, I'd sign him, but if not, then it doesn't make sense.

Other options for Barnes: Ronnie Brewer (can defend, can't shoot, used to be a great cutter and finisher, not sure anymore), Francisco Garcia (can do everything decently well, spot up shooting might be best trait, off injured)

Scenario 2:

Caron Buler for Channing Frye

Sign Paul Pierce to 2 years and part of MLE, $4M

Trade Bledsoe and Jordan for Garnett and Lee if possible, add 25th pick if needed. If they don't want to part with Lee, inquire about a pick swap.

PG: Chris Paul / Mailk Wayyns

SG: Courtney Lee / Jamal Crawford / Willie Green

SF: Paul Pierce / Matt Barnes? / Grant Hill

PF: Blake Griffin / Channing Frye

C: Kevin Garnett / Channing Frye

Others: Ronny Turiaf, 25th pick (if not traded)

I believe all these can work under the cap. Barnes is a question mark because the exception will be used to sign Pierce, so money won't be available for him. If 25th pick is traded

Scenario 3:

Trade Butler for Frye

Sign Paul Pierce to part MLE

Re-sign Turiaf

Draft SF

PG: Chris Paul / Eric Bledsoe

SG: Eric Bledsoe / Jamal Crawford / Willie Green

SF: Paul Pierce / Grant Hill

PF: Blake Griffin / Channing Frye / Ronny Turiaf

C: DeAndre Jordan / Channing Frye

Others: Ronny Turiaf, 25th pick, Malik Wayns

Scenario 4a:

Frye trade fails for whatever reason, even after offering a 25th pick for 2nd round pick swap.

Trade Bledsoe and Butler for Orlando for Afflalo

Sign Jermaine O'neal to half MLE

Sign Matt Barnes to other half of MLE

Sign Odom to veteran minimum

Sign Ronnie Brewer to veteran minimum

Resign Malik Wayns

PG: Chris Paul / Malik Wayns

SG: Arron Afflalo / Jamal Crawford / Willie Green

SF: Ronnie Brewer / Matt Barnes / Grant Hill

PF: Blake Griffin / Lamar Odom

C: DeAndre Jordan / Jermaine O'neal

Others: 25th pick

Scenario 4b:

Trade Caron Butler to Washington for Ariza (really up to Washington and maybe impacted by how much they spend on Webster)

Trade Bledsoe and Jordan to New Orleans, New Orleans trades Gordon to Phoenix, Lopez to LAC, Phoenix trades 4th pick to LAC

Sign Elton Brand to half MLE, team option for second season

Sign Francisco Garcia to veteran minimum or about $2-$2.5M, team option for second season

Sign Lamar Odom to veteran minimum

PG: Chris Paul / Malik Wayns

SG: 4th pick SG/SF / Jamal Crawford / Willie Green

SF: Trevor Ariza / Francisco Garcia / Grant Hill

PF: Blake Griffin / Lamar Odom

C: Robin Lopez / Elton Brand

Others: 25th pick

tense2
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^Preferred to get younger. Pierce will be 36 and Garnett 37. Pierce played like sh!t in the PO's.

The milk is souring quickly on those 2.

Where's Scenario 4, lol.

Agent0
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I was editing it, but yea, younger is something to aim for, which is actually what scenario 4 attempts to do, while still balancing out the roster with veterans. Don't want to be too young. Pierce and Garnett make you old but give you win now and still some ability to be somewhat flexible when they move on as you'd still have Griffin and Paul.

Okay, realized that I didn't remove DJ from the roster in one of the trades, so Lopez also comes back for LAC, and 25th to New Orleans.

clips4life32
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CP3/Billups/Wayns

Gordon/Crawford/Green

Barnes/Hill

Griffin/Odom

R. Lopez/Hollins

Trade DJ, Bledsoe, and Butler for Gordon and Lopez.

Re-sign CP3, Barnes, Billups, Odom, and Hollins.

or...

CP3/Bilups/Wayns

Allen/Crawford/Green

Butler/Barnes

Griffin/Odom

Jefferson/Hollins

Sign and trade with Al Jefferson for DJ and Bledsoe.

Sign Tony Allen

Re-sign CP3, Barnes, Billups, Odom, and Hollins.

Agent0
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Don't think Al Jefferson, you probably don't want the team to go down the terrible defense road just for the sake of your own health while watching games. Al also isn't an efficient volume scorer despite his moves.

lacsmoove
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Don't know how they can do it , yet the FO needs to make the roster look like this come next season:

PG: CP3/Billups/Wayans

SG:Sumpert/Crawford/Billups

SF: Granger/Barnes/?

PF: Blake/Odom??

C: Al Jeff/J.Oneil??

Again how the FO gets it done I don't care, but looks good to me

bullterrierclipsfan1349
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im not impressed by shumpert. i like the butler for channing frye deal. if we could do a trade with DJ involved as well, and dudley would be a good deal. saves the clips money.

KP
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I dont want Billups unless he's willing to take the minimum... that dude stole money this yr, he should play next year for free tbh lol

same thing with Odom

We have to get DJ (10 mil per/ 2 yrs left) and Butler (8 mil per/ 1 yr left) off the books

and Chauncey (4 mil this yr/ free agent) and Odom (8 mil this yr/ free agent) have to be willing to stay for pennies or they can kick rocks

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#1 Chris Paul

#2 Tony Allen

#3 Andre Iguoudala

#4 Blake Griffin

#5 DeMarcus Cousins

Reserves:Jamal Crawford and whoever else.. doesnt matter.

clipstar
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Is that roster even possible? I really doubt we would be able to land any of those players....

KP
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clipstar wrote:
Clippers_FTW wrote:
#1 Chris Paul

#2 Tony Allen

#3 Andre Iguoudala

#4 Blake Griffin

#5 DeMarcus Cousins

Reserves:Jamal Crawford and whoever else.. doesnt matter.

Is that roster even possible? I really doubt we would be able to land any of those players....

its possible because all the players are available but iggy and cousins will get paid way too much for us to get without being way over the cap... we would be able to get 1 of them tho

and I have a feeling tony allen is going to resign with the grizz

CP3Heliflopter
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So how in gods name are you getting Shumpert lol?

Also Al no D Jefferson? No thanks. Mediocre scorer efficiency wise who is = to Boozer on D.

Diamond909
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anyone considering c.Andersen aka birdman he would be free agent this summer

Diamond909
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if ur talking about the current roster.. is wasnt goid to begin with to be honest.

odom sucked

ryan sucked

Ronnie sucked

Chauncey cant cut it no more

hill is old

barnes average

Crawford average

We thought something can happen with this roster and was wrong

new coach i agree

Agent0
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KP wrote:
clipstar wrote:
Clippers_FTW wrote:
#1 Chris Paul

#2 Tony Allen

#3 Andre Iguoudala

#4 Blake Griffin

#5 DeMarcus Cousins

Reserves:Jamal Crawford and whoever else.. doesnt matter.

Is that roster even possible? I really doubt we would be able to land any of those players....

its possible because all the players are available but iggy and cousins will get paid way too much for us to get without being way over the cap... we would be able to get 1 of them tho

and I have a feeling tony allen is going to resign with the grizz

Tony Allen is possible using part of the MLE. I'm not sure how Cousins is acquired, and Iguodala isn't possible. Clippers are over the cap with Paul's cap hold, and of course similarly after he's signed. So big fre agents signings aren't actually possible unless Paul doesn't return.

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