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Post ID: 382297by clipper*joe » May 13, 2013 - 03:49 PM PST
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One of the worst ball handlers in the clutch. He never improved in that dept. Give me Crawford 11 times out 10 in the clutch.

his heart is in Phoenix, not here. lol



                
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Post ID: 382298by TheDude » May 13, 2013 - 03:50 PM PST
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I don't like EJ's attitude, he's childish and selfish. And I vowed to never root for him after the way he talked $hit on his way out the door. (Again, it shows that he's not the brightest bulb in the house, he was traded for a future HOFer, it's not an insult). And he's got to be the worst ball-handling SG in the NBA.

But if he plays 65 games and some of those games are in the PO's, it's ridiculously one sided for us. Unfortunately the step child Lopez is a better player than DJ. For half the price, he's a huge value vs. what we have today.

It's a gamble, and i'm probably one of the most anti-EJ guys on here, but IF he could stay on the court, that's an all-star player entering his prime. Risky but we can afford to have a SG hurt a lot of the year. We're battle tested in that regard. Jamal and Willie can hold down the fort while EJ takes his yearly breaks. If he can play in April and May, we are extremely tough to beat, by anybody.

                
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Post ID: 382299by TheDude » May 13, 2013 - 03:54 PM PST
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I'd rather Gordon handle the ball down the stretch of games than Jamal Crawford. You guys remember Gordon's last season here where he made a huge leap in his ball handling, clutch play? I watched him some this year and last year and his handles are getting better and better. I think he would be a great guy to give CP3 breaks with the ballhandling at times. He's also proven he can play the catch and shoot game so no reason to doubt that.
One of the worst ball handlers in the clutch. He never improved in that dept. Give me Crawford 11 times out 10 in the clutch.

his heart is in Phoenix, not here. lol

Terrible ball handler, especially in the clutch. But we have the best of the best in that regard on the court next to him. It's a pretty good situation for EJ having CP3 setting him up.

I think he's just not that smart and totally immature. I think if he had the choice of playing in Phoenix or L.A., he comes here in a heartbeat.

Still don't know if I like it but it's pretty damn intreaguing and more exciting than Vucivic and Afflalo.

                
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Post ID: 382300by CapsNClips » May 13, 2013 - 03:55 PM PST
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^ As childish as EJ may be DJ is 4x as childish. Difference is if we can put up with EJ we will have a better team.

                
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Post ID: 382301by Clippersfan86 » May 13, 2013 - 03:58 PM PST
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Exactly. Our team isnt exactly mature in general. EJ actual comes off as mature but his issue is his moodiness and he seems to hold grudges. He said things about us trading him because he was hurt. Like I said this shows he liked it here if anything.

                
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Post ID: 382302by ekker3 » May 13, 2013 - 03:58 PM PST
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that's a pretty top dog deal for us if it ever happened.

lopez is a poor man's deandre when it comes to athleticism, but can actually score a bucket and play defense.

and EJ, yeah he's a prima donna but put him in a winning system and we might see a different dude.

im for this trade 100%.

                
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Post ID: 382303by CapsNClips » May 13, 2013 - 04:01 PM PST
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And Olshey is the one who lied to him so he can't be totally pissed at us now since Olshey bailed.

                
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Post ID: 382304by ToadVine » May 13, 2013 - 04:01 PM PST
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Gordon has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Who would pay $14M for a below average, short SG that doesn't rebound, gets shot over by full-sized players, and turns the ball over in a crowd all the time?

                
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Post ID: 382305by clipper*joe » May 13, 2013 - 04:01 PM PST
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While I agree that we'd greatly improve by CP3 setting up EJ, it's not worth missing a player for 25 game season. The bad outweigh the good no matter how much i think he could give this team a boost. Three things I am certain about:

Death, Taxes, and EJ missing a quarter of the season.

                
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Post ID: 382306by ClippersSince97 » May 13, 2013 - 04:04 PM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
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Terrible ball handler, especially in the clutch. But we have the best of the best in that regard on the court next to him. It's a pretty good situation for EJ having CP3 setting him up.

I think he's just not that smart and totally immature. I think if he had the choice of playing in Phoenix or L.A., he comes here in a heartbeat.

Still don't know if I like it but it's pretty damn intreaguing and more exciting than Vucivic and Afflalo.

While I agree that we'd greatly improve by CP3 setting up EJ, it's not worth missing a player for 25 game season. The bad outweigh the good no matter how much i think he could give this team a boost. Three things I am certain about:

Death, Taxes, and EJ missing a quarter of the season.

I'm right there with you CJ. Risks outweigh the potential benefits heavily with EJ's contract. If EJ were getting DJ money then I'd probably be singing a different tune.

                
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Post ID: 382307by ekker3 » May 13, 2013 - 04:05 PM PST
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Terrible ball handler, especially in the clutch. But we have the best of the best in that regard on the court next to him. It's a pretty good situation for EJ having CP3 setting him up.

I think he's just not that smart and totally immature. I think if he had the choice of playing in Phoenix or L.A., he comes here in a heartbeat.

Still don't know if I like it but it's pretty damn intreaguing and more exciting than Vucivic and Afflalo.

While I agree that we'd greatly improve by CP3 setting up EJ, it's not worth missing a player for 25 game season. The bad outweigh the good no matter how much i think he could give this team a boost. Three things I am certain about:

Death, Taxes, and EJ missing a quarter of the season.

the risk/reward is worth it though. when EJ's on and healthy he's a top 3 SG, if not the best in the league. if you can get that for DeAndre and a player you're gonna have to trade anyway (Bled), its a no-brainer in my book.

                
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Post ID: 382308by CP3Heliflopter » May 13, 2013 - 04:05 PM PST
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Way too injury prone. We already have an injury prone PG we don't need a SG that makes CP3 look durable in comparison.

                
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Post ID: 382310by ClipperSean » May 13, 2013 - 04:06 PM PST
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EJ is injury prone, but when he is on the court he is dominant. Top 5 SG in my opinion. Plus I have a soft spot for him since he was one of our babies. I honestly don't think Bledsoe will become an elite point guard in this league. He has freakish athleticism for the position but I don't think he has what it takes above the shoulders. He is not a very good decision maker and I havn't seen too much promise in that department for him. EJ spreads the floor nicely with his 3 pointers and anyway we can dump DJ's contract is a blessing.

I say do it.

                
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Post ID: 382313by ekker3 » May 13, 2013 - 04:11 PM PST
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Post ID: 382315by botev1921 » May 13, 2013 - 04:24 PM PST
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To hell with it, I would take anything if that gets us rid of DJ!

                
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Post ID: 382318by clipper*joe » May 13, 2013 - 04:33 PM PST
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cost effectiveness analysis says otherwise. Gordon's injuries are getting worse, not better. And I believe he milks his injuries after being cleared which makes it that much worse. He's done it to us, and done it to the Pelicans. You're trading away one headcase for another but one of them can stay on the floor. add in a coveted piece of ours in Bledsoe, and I'm not sure who's getting raped.

                
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Post ID: 382319by clipstar » May 13, 2013 - 04:38 PM PST
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Well we are looking for an upgrade at SG and C right? lol

                
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Post ID: 382320by ClipperB23 » May 13, 2013 - 04:40 PM PST
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Like many of you have said, EJ is not only injury prone but he's getting a big contract as well.

I'd honestly prefer this trade if it was possible: Bledsoe and DJ for Ryan Anderson and Robin Lopez and they can throw in Roger Mason (sharp shooter) and or Jason Smith as fillers who can also help our bench.

                
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Post ID: 382322by clipstar » May 13, 2013 - 04:42 PM PST
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Now this is something I can get behind on.. Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 382323by ekker3 » May 13, 2013 - 04:44 PM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
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the risk/reward is worth it though. when EJ's on and healthy he's a top 3 SG, if not the best in the league. if you can get that for DeAndre and a player you're gonna have to trade anyway (Bled), its a no-brainer in my book.

cost effectiveness analysis says otherwise. Gordon's injuries are getting worse, not better. And I believe he milks his injuries after being cleared which makes it that much worse. He's done it to us, and done it to the Pelicans. You're trading away one headcase for another but one of them can stay on the floor. add in a coveted piece of ours in Bledsoe, and I'm not sure who's getting raped.

the way DJ plays (especially in the 4th), he cant stay on the floor either

                
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Its a good deal because of Jordan I cannot take the attitude of this guy,lot of fans want a new coach, if the Clips hire someone like Sloan, he will ride the bench all time.FO get it done fast.

                
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Post ID: 382328by uncool » May 13, 2013 - 05:33 PM PST
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Is it just me or did Robin Lopez dominate DJ head to head this year? I don't have the numbers but I remember like a 17 pt half from him... & he shoots 75% fts! I know Gordon is made of glass but I'm fine with Green playing most of the reg season if Gordon gets healthy for playoffs... Bled doesn't get pt anyway.

                
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Post ID: 382332by wessleejr » May 13, 2013 - 06:03 PM PST
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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
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I am over 60 years old and EJ is more injury prone then me,,,no thanks
I laughed. Nice. And unfortunately probably true.

I'm over 60 and less injury prone

What game did you play grandpa lol!

Very Happy Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 382337by lacsmoove » May 13, 2013 - 06:15 PM PST
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I'm absolutely on board with this one. Like a few guys said above, EJ is a top 3-5 SG in the league and is still a youngster. Throw in the fact that we drafted him is the icing. I remember a great number of us were not for him being included in the CP3 trade. If this trade goes down we greatly improve at the SG position and get better at C as well.

                
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Post ID: 382339by Andrew818 » May 13, 2013 - 06:17 PM PST
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I'd do this trade in a heart beat.People said Steph Curry is too risky for a max contract and now he is shutting everyone up in he playoffs.I know it's risky but I would rather have Gordon at the 2 than Billups which is likely what will happen and Chancey has played less than Gordan has the last 2 seasons.

And even though I don't think Lopez is that great of a center he can defend,rebound,and has a little of a offensive game.Plus he can shoot free throws better than DJ.If this trade is real I would do it for sure.Because if Gordon doesn't work out we can trade him to the Suns who really want him or even see if the Magic are interested.

                
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Post ID: 382344by wessleejr » May 13, 2013 - 06:21 PM PST
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Lets bring him back, remember CP3 was an injury prone also before but look playing less minutes makes him better, maybe EJ when he comes back he can play less minutes as will if we have a good sg back up.

                
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Post ID: 382345by clipper*joe » May 13, 2013 - 06:22 PM PST
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ekker3 wrote:
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cost effectiveness analysis says otherwise. Gordon's injuries are getting worse, not better. And I believe he milks his injuries after being cleared which makes it that much worse. He's done it to us, and done it to the Pelicans. You're trading away one headcase for another but one of them can stay on the floor. add in a coveted piece of ours in Bledsoe, and I'm not sure who's getting raped.

the way DJ plays (especially in the 4th), he cant stay on the floor either

Touch'e

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Post ID: 382346by uncool » May 13, 2013 - 06:23 PM PST
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Lopez is only like 5 mil per year for next 2 yrs which are team options... Great value!

                
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Post ID: 382349by mj_shoefanatic » May 13, 2013 - 06:34 PM PST
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DO IT GARY then swap Butler/Ariza with DC.

                
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Post ID: 382353by sfernald » May 13, 2013 - 06:39 PM PST
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The proposed trade actually includes Willie Green, which is odd. It would make sense to keep him as the backup or starter for when EJ misses some games.

Bled + DJ + Green + Hill (retires) = EJ + Lopez

The thing that makes the trade seem not so bad is that for DJ's salary plus about 3 million more we are getting EJ. We can afford to play EJ like the Spurs play Manu in the regular season to keep him healthy and still win the division. It will be all about keeping him healthy for the playoffs.

I say do it. To be successful, you have to sometimes take risks. This one seems like a big one, but I have a feeling CP3 will get EJ in the right mindset and also EJ is due for a stretch of good health. This might be our best chance to put together a big three that can one day compete with Miami.

Robin Lopez is really not that bad. He would do the things we need of him (rebound, play strong defense, shoot free throws, play smart) much better than DJ ever would. And we could keep him in at the end of games!

I could see this roster quite easily:

CP3\Billups\Waynes EJ\Crawford\Green Barnes\Butler Griffin\Odom Lopez\Withey (drafted 1st round)

Gives us such a better defense. Gives us three scorers. Hustle guys. I really like that starting lineup. What do you guys think?

                
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Post ID: 382354by Voyeur » May 13, 2013 - 06:40 PM PST
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Eric Gordon would be worth the trade all by himself....if he weren't made of glass. Lopez would add icing on the cake.

                
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Post ID: 382357by toohipcliptoslip » May 13, 2013 - 06:50 PM PST
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Post ID: 382359by Battlegun » May 13, 2013 - 06:54 PM PST
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If Billups comes back and this trade goes through, it will not only give us a better-fitting shooting guard in Eric, but also fill the bench point-guard in Chauncey.

                
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Post ID: 382362by uncool » May 13, 2013 - 07:05 PM PST
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As far as just improving at SG, I'd rather get OJ Mayo, healthier, taller, 40% 3pt & less than half the price, but since we'd get rid of DJ for a better C who is approaching 80% from the ft line, at half the price I'd take it.

                
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Post ID: 382364by toohipcliptoslip » May 13, 2013 - 07:09 PM PST
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Lopez $5.1 mill. GORDON $15 mill last yr = $20 mill

DJ $11 mill Bledsoe RFA ~~$3Mill qualifying offer The team that gets him gets right of first refusal. A gift

Willie a highly under rated player who has shown ability to start. A steal. We're crazy to get rid of him.

We can't keep Chauncey or Barnes probably not Odom. Forget Tony Allen or Elton Brand. Can you say "Roni, Ryan"?

This will never work with the new CBA. Lopez for DJ straight up won't work. We still lose $5+Mill in cap space.

                
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Post ID: 382366by cleepers » May 13, 2013 - 07:13 PM PST
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Good deal if it happens.

                
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Post ID: 382369by jtwinnaz » May 13, 2013 - 07:16 PM PST
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ej might have milked injuries but he is a hell of a player and can really help us out. he fits perfect with cp3 and griffin and he wont milk his injuries if he is actually competing for a championship. he is injury prone but if he have a deep bench like we did this year, we should be fine. we only need him for the playoffs and we all know what ej can do. he is clutch and his handles have improved and he is finally starting to get calls from the refs. if we are going to trade bledsoe, we are going to need a bigger perimiter defender that can shoot and take the ball to the basket and ej is exactly that. he is an all-star if he can stay healthy and he could be our missing piece.

and robin lopez outplayed dj every time i saw them facing each other last season. He is an upgrade too. he is getting better faster than dj and we need to win now.

what other options are there at sg that are up for trade? this is not a bad option

                
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Post ID: 382370by Andrew818 » May 13, 2013 - 07:17 PM PST
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Would try and throw Butler in his deal so that we get his and DJ contract off the books and then we could resign Barnes.Only way I see them taking Butler though is if we give up our 1st rounder which I would since this draft is pretty weak.

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Post ID: 382372by Voyeur » May 13, 2013 - 07:20 PM PST
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Can you imagine 2 curley red-haired big men starting?

                
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Post ID: 382373by ClipsGForce » May 13, 2013 - 07:37 PM PST
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I am totally down for this trade. HOWEVER, like everyone says here, I am worry about him being injury prone and his big money contract.

If I were the Clippers, here would do.

Trade: Eric Bledsoe, DJ, and Caron Butler (expiring contract) to Pelicans for Eric Gordon and Robin Lopez in order to have matching salary.

Resign Barnes, keep Green for insurance back up, move Billups to 1 on the 2nd unit and find a starting forward or back up that can defend and hit some 3's.

Do it! This makes so much sense.

                
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Post ID: 382374by Hoop » May 13, 2013 - 07:39 PM PST
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What about DJ+Butler for EJ and a pick or so and EB for R.Lopez and a pick or so?

                
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Post ID: 382375by CapsNClips » May 13, 2013 - 07:40 PM PST
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And lets try and get a 2nd round pick from them or Brian Roberts

                
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Post ID: 382376by FightOnRon » May 13, 2013 - 07:43 PM PST
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Ever been to NO? Plenty of ways to constantly sprain an ankle in that town.

I would think a team would get in trouble for purposely sitting guy that was sent there (kind of) and tanking,,but of course the NBA owned the team so they would have to report themselves to themselves.

                
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Post ID: 382378by FightOnRon » May 13, 2013 - 07:45 PM PST
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Gold medal too, huh! I silvered, but I am missing 1/2 a kidney.

                
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Post ID: 382380by FightOnRon » May 13, 2013 - 07:50 PM PST
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After mulling this over all day,,,,,

I would like to see DJ go so, say this happens. Now does Chauncey become the backup, or are we planning on letting Chauncey find a job elsewhere?

Now if Chauncy has to go to the unemployment office and EJ starts the question we ask is, will EJ be as effective as Chauncey and will he play more games.

Chances are he may be able to play more games but will he be cost effective and who else would have to go to be able to absorb EJs contract.

It's a big domino affect. This entire off season will be a big domino affect.

                
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Post ID: 382381by jtwinnaz » May 13, 2013 - 07:52 PM PST
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Post ID: 382382by FightOnRon » May 13, 2013 - 07:56 PM PST
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INSIDER TAKE :::::::

There is sure to be plenty of buzz in the weeks and months to come about the future of New Orleans shooting guard Eric Gordon and Los Angeles Clippers point guard Eric Bledsoe. Today, Michael McNamara of BourbonStreetShots.com tweets that the two teams could already be considering a deal that involves the both of them.

Here's more on that.

McNamara tweets: "Off air with Clippers writer, he said he has heard a lot of buzz from FO sources that a Bledsoe/(DeAndre) Jordan for EG/(Robin) Lopez deal could go down."

This is sure to get the attention of both fan bases. The Clips are already quite familiar with Gordon, being that the shooting guard started his career there before heading east in the Chris Paul deal. If the team resigns Paul, as expected, and brings in a talent like Gordon, suddenly the Clips potentially have a third top option to turn to along with Paul and Blake Griffin. And replacing Jordan with Lopez would give them a much better contract and arguably a better center. What they'd lose with Jordan, though, is an athletic 5 who could run the floor and block a lot of shots.

From the Pelicans' perspective, this would give them another defensive presence to pair alongside Anthony Davis on the frontline, along with a talented young point guard who could conceivably push Greivis Vasquez to the bench or to shooting guard, depending on the development of Austin Rivers in his second season. That may not sit very well with Vasquez, though, and it's arguable how much the team really needs to address the point guard spot after Vasquez's breakout season.

Again, this is just a rumor for now, but it's something to think about going forward in what could be a very interesting offseason for both teams.

                
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If EJ wasn't so injury prone, I wouldn't mind this deal at all. But can the Clips even afford to have 3 max contracts considering CP3 re-signs? Will Sterling be willing to pay luxury tax??

                
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Post ID: 382385by Voyeur » May 13, 2013 - 08:08 PM PST
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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't at least slightly excited about the prospect.

                
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Post ID: 382386by jtwinnaz » May 13, 2013 - 08:09 PM PST
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remember this?

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the interview at the end is classic!

                
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