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Hey All, Didn't see this posted anywhere... I thought it was a good article actually! http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-bolch-clippers-20130513,0,5817883, full.story [size=18]With the proper maneuvering, Clippers can improve in off-season[/size] The Clippers need to upgrade at shooting guard and need to acquire a post player that can consistently score, rebound and defend. Any correspondence about possible Clippers' off-season moves needs to go straight to the top. So, Chris Paul, here's a primer on what your franchise should do in the coming months to take that next step, otherwise known as getting past the first round of the playoffs. It's not going to be easy, the Clippers creeping toward taxpayer status for the....

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KP
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Great post!

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No doubt. Cool to see Chauncey, Odom, and Turiaf on the "Let them go" list, and also nice to see Barnes, Green, and Hollins on the "Keep Them" list. Those are the same keepers and expendables I was hoping for.

I was also looking for a DJ n' Bledsoe trade as well.

Hickson and Collins are okay, but I really don't like Mayo. I don't like his attitude, shot selection, or clutch consistency (from what I've seen over the years). He just strikes me as a me first not team oriented player. I feel like he just forces shots and puts his team on his back when times get tough, yet I've never seen him as the best player of any team he's been on after college. He doesn't do any one basketball skill particularly poorly. He just doesn't know his role anywhere he plays...

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oh man if management pulled off a demarcus cousins trade id be ecstatic.. Attitude aside, the man can ball...

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Saw this yesterday,,it's like someone read half of CTB's minds and wrote an article we all thought about. Hard to disagree with most of it.

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Mayo and Cousins please..... pretty please... with a cherry on top.... Didnt see anything about Caron Butler...but still

Chris Paul

OJ Mayo

Caron Butler

Blake Griffin

DeMarcus Cousins...

wow

Agent0
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Cousins, hmmm....

As much as I like the talent, that's a hard one. He would probably fight Paul in practice.

Acquiring Cousins means that you need a very direct coach that knows exactly what he wants from him. You need him to know he's the 3rd option / co 2nd option, not first. You need him to understand that you don't want him creating jumpshots, though shooting jumpshots off pick and pop is fine. You need him to stay focused defensively as he has defensive ability. You also need him to do less, he can pass, but you don't need his playmaking as much with Paul and Blake, no over dribbling and forcing it which lead to an 18.7 turnover% (3.5 turnovers/36).

He's still not very efficient. He had career highs of 46.5% FG and 52.4 TS% last season, which is not good, and especially not good for a C. His offensive rating was a high, the same as the previous year, 102, again, quite poor. The previous year he was a less efficient scorer but turned it over less, and grabbed more offensive rebounds, so it balanced out.

If Cousins goes from being a 20 pts/36 scorer on bad efficiency. To about. 16-17 pts/36 scorer on >.550 TS% who focuses more so on rebounding and defense, he's a MUCH better player. That's one of the issues, people think a player is better when they have more pts, rebs, assists, but that's false. A more efficient guy is FAR more valuable to a good team than a guy who just shoots a lot to score his points.

Hickson I don't truly get because you need to make him your primary PF/C backup, can he actually play C? It was out of necessity because big LMA with one of the longest reaches in the league didn't want to play C.

Bargnani, just no...

Varejao is great when he's in the court, but since that hardly ever happens, no thanks

A7XDreamTheaterClipps
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Good read. If Chauncey doesn't get offers this summer, we should save an asst. coaching spot on the bench.

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I completely agree. I don't really like his "me against the world" attitude but when you consider both his and DJ's numbers and DJ's "team clown" attitude, I'd consider Cousins a huge upgrade. He can rebound, score well, shoot FTs, and even gets 1.4 steals a game.

He might not be the most mature player, but you can't say he doesn't care or that he hasn't gotten better since entering the league and that's more than I can say about DJ.

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He lost me at getting Bargnani and I sent him an e-mail letting him know that. Haven't heard back yet, lol.

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A_DOG_NAMED_BUD wrote:
Steady818 wrote:
oh man if management pulled off a demarcus cousins trade id be ecstatic.. Attitude aside, the man can ball...

I completely agree. I don't really like his "me against the world" attitude but when you consider both his and DJ's numbers and DJ's "team clown" attitude, I'd consider Cousins a huge upgrade. He can rebound, score well, shoot FTs, and even gets 1.4 steals a game.

He might not be the most mature player, but you can't say he doesn't care or that he hasn't gotten better since entering the league and that's more than I can say about DJ.

You certainly can't say DJ hasn't gotten better since he got into the league. The guy couldn't execute a post move, was a jumping jack on defense and more foul prone when he started. Now he can execute more than one post move, he doesn't jump all over the place like he used to and has decreased his foul rate. Just because his FT shooting digressed people now want to act like he say at home all off-season doing nothing. Very unfair.

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For some reason, I think there are going to be even bigger changes than this.

First of all, they will retain Vinny because there's no one out there better and no sense changing the guard for change's sake. We aren't the Lakers after all.

I think we will do the much ballyhooed DJ for KG trade. It will be a straight one for one trade. Boston will buy Pierce out and he will sign with us for a one year contract to give it one final shot with his best bud.

But we aren't done. We will trade Bledsoe and Butler and Hill (who will retire) for our old friend EJ. EJ will play every game next year and have as good a season as his last with the Clips. We will bring back some friends, while letting other friends move on.

Our opening day roster will be:

CP3/Billups/Green

EJ/Crawford/Green

Pierce/Barnes/Cunningham

Griffin/Blair

KG/Withey(drafted)/Hollins

And this team will win us a championship gentleman!

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No you really can't say he hasn't improved. Quite the contrary he made a nice leap this year.. But that nice leap is still light years away and he is still a marginal player with very low bball iq, and just as many maturity issues and Demarcus.. Now Cousins is a pipe dream and i don't think Sac lets him go but DJ, is a waste of that 11 mil he is getting paid.

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Steady818 wrote:
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You certainly can't say DJ hasn't gotten better since he got into the league. The guy couldn't execute a post move, was a jumping jack on defense and more foul prone when he started. Now he can execute more than one post move, he doesn't jump all over the place like he used to and has decreased his foul rate. Just because his FT shooting digressed people now want to act like he say at home all off-season doing nothing. Very unfair.

No you really can't say he hasn't improved. Quite the contrary he made a nice leap this year.. But that nice leap is still light years away and he is still a marginal player with very low bball iq, and just as many maturity issues and Demarcus.. Now Cousins is a pipe dream and i don't think Sac lets him go but DJ, is a waste of that 11 mil he is getting paid.

Idk, DJ has improved in some areas but he's also regressed in some areas. Yes, he's not a jumping jack on defense anymore but now he can't grab a rebound if his life depended on it and his shot blocking ability hasn't gone up either. The guy is a dud as far as of right now. I hope a good coach can get through to him because he has so much potential, it's truly scary to think what he could be if he tapped into it.

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Assuming that we could do some of the other things the guy proposes, acquiring Bargnani would be ok with me. I guarantee he'd be more productive than DJ at about the same price. Plus, he only has one year left on his deal so, if it doesn't work out well, we're free to go in a different direction the next year.

And, yes, I fully expect you to respond to this post with a link to a metric that supposedly shows how terrible Bargnani is and that DJ is actually a better player than him. And I will promptly ignore it.

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Assuming DJ is being traded, the Clippers should aim for Cousins who is on the verge of being a top five center. This kid might be a headache but with a little bit of guidance and veteran leadership Cousins can definitely be a top five center.

The Clippers can trade DJ and Bledsoe for Cousins and Patterson.

Top free agents Clippers should pursue... OJ Mayo, Jermaine O'Neal, and Nate Robinson.

The Clippers should re-sign CP3, Barnes, and Hollins... Maybe Billups and Odom for Veteran's minimum only. Hill will retire but maybe Hill can be part of the coaching staff.

Paul / Nate / Billups

Mayo / Crawford / Green

Butler / Barnes / Summers

Griffin / Patterson / Odom

Cousins / O'Neal / Hollins

Agent0
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The Clippers can't sign Mayo (full MLE), Robinson, Barnes who wants a big raise and O'neal when all the team has available is the MLE. This would require Barnes to take his current salary plus slight upgrade, and JO and Robinson to both take the minimum. Also why in the world do you thunk Billups would sign up to be the 3rd PG?

Lastly why is everyone overrating Nate because of the playoffs. Nate is basically like having Jamal Crawford in PG size. He works on a team like the Bulls who needed scoring and are a great defense. In other scenarios, he's not as valuable of a player.

hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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He lost me at getting Bargnani and I sent him an e-mail letting him know that. Haven't heard back yet, lol.

Assuming that we could do some of the other things the guy proposes, acquiring Bargnani would be ok with me. I guarantee he'd be more productive than DJ at about the same price. Plus, he only has one year left on his deal so, if it doesn't work out well, we're free to go in a different direction the next year.

And, yes, I fully expect you to respond to this post with a link to a metric that supposedly shows how terrible Bargnani is and that DJ is actually a better player than him. And I will promptly ignore it.

....but Bargnani was just less productive than DJ this last season and has had injury issues the past three seasons, so why would you guarantee that he would be more productive?

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I guess I can't. But I think Bargnani has talent and might really benefit from a change of scenery. He could fit in, and do well, here, assuming he stayed healthy. On the other hand, I'm convinced DJ is who he is and is not going to get much, if at all, better. So, on balance, I'd rather take a chance on Bargnani for a year than get another year of the same old thing with DJ.

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Bargnani is a bum. Injury prone, can't rebound and relies on jump shots. If you are 7 feet you shouldn't be shooting 3PTers. His numbers have been padded by playing on a poor team. Bargnani is not the guy we need to pair with Blake in the front court if we got rid of DJ. We'd turn into the Magic and Blake isn't the defensive monster and rebounder that Dwight Howard is.

Supphector17
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Cp3/Eric maynor/Malik Wayne's

Mayo/craw/green

Butler/barnes/hill?

Griffin/Brandon wright

Al Jefferson/Collins/and use 1rd pick on center

Wait when Kevin love goes to free agency in 2016

Sign him boom

hoopfanjd31
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You're right. He wouldn't work as a starting center here with Blake. A back-up, maybe. But not a starter. So, not worth it.

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Pretty horrible considering that guy was the #1 pick in the draft in 2006 I believe. I wouldn't mind Bargs off the bench, but I think he's still under a rather large contract. Rumors were flying that he was going to end up a Laker before the trade deadline. He would probably benefit from playing on a good / great team but not in a starters role.

We just really need to keep hope that they sign TOUGH PF/C's in the off season that play defense and can REBOUND THE DAMN BALL. If they can take care of that, I bet we will have a better season next year and not get shafted in round 1.

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My ideal starters for the 2013-14 clippers:

PG: Chris Paul

SG: OJ Mayo

SF: Trevor Ariza

PF: Blake Griffin

C: Vucevic ( or even Robin Lopez)

You get so much versatility in scoring with Mayo. And better defense. With Ariza you get better defense, younger, and a better cutter. and Vucevic will do almost everything DJ didn't do. Rebound, score and hit free throws. Our defense and offense improve and we will for once have a legit starting 5.

I pray that the roster looks somewhat like this. Which is very possible.

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I wouldn't mind Bargnani off the bench for $6M/year, but certainly not on this team at all with how much he currently makes

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
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....but Bargnani was just less productive than DJ this last season and has had injury issues the past three seasons, so why would you guarantee that he would be more productive?

I guess I can't. But I think Bargnani has talent and might really benefit from a change of scenery. He could fit in, and do well, here, assuming he stayed healthy. On the other hand, I'm convinced DJ is who he is and is not going to get much, if at all, better. So, on balance, I'd rather take a chance on Bargnani for a year than get another year of the same old thing with DJ.

Bargnani sucks and you'll wish you had DJ back if someone is dumb enough to make that trade. wink Don't be fooled by the "wow" points stat's.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?

career=1&player_ids%5B%5D=314&player_ids%5B%5D=129&utf8=✓

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2013

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
tense2 wrote:
He lost me at getting Bargnani and I sent him an e-mail letting him know that. Haven't heard back yet, lol.
And, yes, I fully expect you to respond to this post with a link to a metric that supposedly shows how terrible Bargnani is and that DJ is actually a better player than him.

^^^ Well, I called this part right. Thanks for not disappointing, Tense.

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All those could happen but Vucevic. They won't move him unless they are packaging him for an All-Star level player, and the Clippers aren't trading any of those. 13/12 22 year old PF/C's aren't just floating around the league, and that was in 33.2 MPG, he put up 14/13 per 36. I'm investing all I can in developing that player and making him more efficient on offense (only .534 TS%), and helping him continue to develop his range (get out to three) and develop a post game:

10-15: 49/115 (42.6%)

16-3PT: 84/198 (42.4%)

He's currently primarily a finisher and pick and pop guy, but you could probably get him some post moves and expand his game further. 9'4.5" standing reach but with no vertical. He was compared to Okur, except that we can call him Okur with better rebounding,

It's rare to find capable stretch bigs who not only rebound defensively, but also offensively (3.5 ORPG). Ryan Anderson is one, but he doesn't have the size of Vucevic.

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hoopfanjd31 wrote:
hoopfanjd31 wrote:
tense2 wrote:
He lost me at getting Bargnani and I sent him an e-mail letting him know that. Haven't heard back yet, lol.
And, yes, I fully expect you to respond to this post with a link to a metric that supposedly shows how terrible Bargnani is and that DJ is actually a better player than him.

^^^ Well, I called this part right. Thanks for not disappointing, Tense.

No problem. Can't stand the truth eh. Smile

I didn't make those numbers up from those 2 sites ,lol. Believe what you want. I know it's easier that way for some.

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I actually like that DJ and Bled for EJ and R Lopez rumor. The Clippers get a prolific scorer(if he stays healthy) and a reliable center that doesn't try to construct buildings at the line.

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The Clippers also get a prolific injury prone player. EJ wasn't even the best player on the floor when he was healthy for a bottom dwelling team.

No thanks to that.

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clipper*joe wrote:
A7XDreamTheaterClipps wrote:
I actually like that DJ and Bled for EJ and R Lopez rumor. The Clippers get a prolific scorer(if he stays healthy) and a reliable center that doesn't try to construct buildings at the line.

The Clippers also get a prolific injury prone player. EJ wasn't even the best player on the floor when he was healthy for a bottom dwelling team.

No thanks to that.

Yeah, but neither were DJ & Bledsoe. We would obviously be better because of this trade.

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Agent0 wrote:
A_DOG_NAMED_BUD wrote:
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oh man if management pulled off a demarcus cousins trade id be ecstatic.. Attitude aside, the man can ball...

I completely agree. I don't really like his "me against the world" attitude but when you consider both his and DJ's numbers and DJ's "team clown" attitude, I'd consider Cousins a huge upgrade. He can rebound, score well, shoot FTs, and even gets 1.4 steals a game.

He might not be the most mature player, but you can't say he doesn't care or that he hasn't gotten better since entering the league and that's more than I can say about DJ.

You certainly can't say DJ hasn't gotten better since he got into the league. The guy couldn't execute a post move, was a jumping jack on defense and more foul prone when he started. Now he can execute more than one post move, he doesn't jump all over the place like he used to and has decreased his foul rate. Just because his FT shooting digressed people now want to act like he say at home all off-season doing nothing. Very unfair.

Only took him 5 years to make some trivial improvements.... He still sucks.

He also has no heart and has the bball iq of a brick.

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CapsNClips wrote:
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A7XDreamTheaterClipps wrote:
I actually like that DJ and Bled for EJ and R Lopez rumor. The Clippers get a prolific scorer(if he stays healthy) and a reliable center that doesn't try to construct buildings at the line.

The Clippers also get a prolific injury prone player. EJ wasn't even the best player on the floor when he was healthy for a bottom dwelling team.

No thanks to that.

Yeah, but neither were DJ & Bledsoe. We would obviously be better because of this trade.

Better as in missing a 14 million dollar player for a large portion of a season? No thanks. I rather get better role players with that money.

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What role players would you like to see the Clippers pursue?

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clipstar wrote:
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Better as in missing a 14 million dollar player for a large portion of a season? No thanks. I rather get better role players with that money.

What role players would you like to see the Clippers pursue?

Jarred Jack is my first choice. In fact, I'd take Jack alone over Gordon. Not sure about the rest of the role players but I know i don't want to lock up 14 million a year on Gordon.

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I can't see Jack being useful on this team, he would be Bledsoe unless you plan on starting him at SG which would not work. When you have a guard demanding 6th man minutes, you probably shouldn't go and sign another guard that has a similar role and position. How do you plan on maximizing the expenses on Jack on this roster. You either have to play lineups of Paul/Jack/Crawford, start on of the, or play the starting SG about 10 MPG. So SG splits starter 10 minutes, Crawford 26 minutes, Jack 12 minutes. Add that to Jack's 12-13 minutes behind Paul and he's playing 24-25 MPG.

Not really sure what the point of that starting SG is.

Jack works for the Warriors, that doesn't make him good for the Clippers roster. Warriors have 6'7 Thompson that can play SF as their starter at SG, while Clippers have Crawford, a strict SG. If the Clippers had a SG/SF off the bench then it would be okay. A PG/SG could come in and play the backup PG minutes plus split backup SG minutes. The SG/SF could then split or get all the backup SF minutes.

It would look like this:

Paul 35 mins / Jack 13 mins

Starter 28 mins / Jack 12 mins / Crawford 8 mins

Caron 27 mins / Crawford 21 mins

This works with a SG/SF, it doesn't work with Crawford. If you do it with Crawford, you perimeter defense is awful

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jack is not going anywhere. id go after a good 2 by packaging ebled and DJ. if thats not attainable, u trade for cousins. then you go out and sign beno udrih to back up cp3, try to add kyle korver by sign and trading butler for him. you can also try to trade up to draft jeff withey to backup cousins.

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clipper*joe wrote:
A7XDreamTheaterClipps wrote:
I actually like that DJ and Bled for EJ and R Lopez rumor. The Clippers get a prolific scorer(if he stays healthy) and a reliable center that doesn't try to construct buildings at the line.

The Clippers also get a prolific injury prone player. EJ wasn't even the best player on the floor when he was healthy for a bottom dwelling team.

No thanks to that.

we can trade him.

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It is being reported that Brittney Griner is working with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on developing the skyhook. I wonder what DJ is doing right now?

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