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Dwight Coward better not join this team.

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D. Jordan is a terrible center. A 6'11' Center with no Offense or Defensive skills is one thing, but when that is also accompanied by what appears to be a lack of hustle, basic basketball knowledge, and no heart to stop being stepped on...you have issues

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I wouldnt mind dwight howard on our team. Hes better than deandre Jordan overall...who wouldn't want him. The likeliness of this happening is slim but weirder things have happened in the NBA so i wouldn't be suprised. Some people forget. now how my offseason would go in order to get dwight and still have some talent would be:

sign either jerry sloan,SVG, or Nat Mccmilan

dont pick up option on willie green

trade eric bledsoe for chandler parsons

trade butler to the pistons for jonas jerebko

trad deandre jordan to blazers for a future first round pick

this gives us around 32 million in cap

sign cp3 and D12 to 16 mill apiece

sign nate robinson to part of mle(reuniting him with Crawford)

resign barnes with part of our mle

resign odom( bird rights)

sign brendon haywood to vets min

resign hollins to vets min

resign billups (bird rights)

results:

cp3/robinson

billups/crawford

parsons/barnes

Griffin/Jerebko/odom

Howard/haywood/hollins/

but of course im dreaming

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Howard is better than DJ, but is he better than DJ, Butler, Bledsoe + Barnes combined? Because that's who we would have to either trade or let go to get ONE player.

I'm obviously being dramatic, but I like our roster with an average center that can hit FT's more than a roster of only 3 good players.

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I wouldn't include Barnes. I think if we have an opportunity to get DJ and his contract off the books, we do it if Howard is coming back in return. I agree that he may not be worth DJ, Butler, and Bledsoe combined, but it gives us an opportunity to get value back with Bledsoe and Butler (expiring contract) in the deal. Trading Bledsoe will help the FO avoid coming to the crossroads of losing him for nothing, especially if and when CP3 signs.

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we wouldnt have to give up bledsoe

typically talented vets sign with contending teams and a big 3 of CP3, Blake and Howard would be a title contenders for years. The Miami Heat did it and they won.

Think about it with Cp3, Blake and Howard. We would have the best players in the 3 positions the heat are weaker at.

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First off, how the hell is this going to happen? We'd have to move DJ to a team that would basically take on his entire salary without giving more than 3 mill in contracts back to us. Basically we'd trade DJ for just about nothing. Second, Caron Butler would have to be moved and we already used Amnesty on Gomes. I think each team only gets 1 of those but I ain't sure.

SAy we did get rid of DJ and Butler and took back almost 0 salary at all, what are the chances Dwight takes a pay cut and comes to play here? And what are the chances that if we DID move those 2 guys, that Dwight would be available at all? I'd hate to trade people and not bring him in a as a replacement and he goes somewhere else.

Havign CP3, Dwight and Blake would be amazing. Despite Dwight's attitude, he's a tremendous player. But, I just can't see any of this happening. And if the Lakers truly want CP3 they better amnesty Kobe Bryant in order to free up any sort of cap room.

Logic is showing here that the chances that we get Dwight are probably slightly better than the Lakers getting CP3, but both scenarios are about as good as winning the lottery.

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cashdld wrote:
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Howard is better than DJ, but is he better than DJ, Butler, Bledsoe + Barnes combined? Because that's who we would have to either trade or let go to get ONE player.

I'm obviously being dramatic, but I like our roster with an average center that can hit FT's more than a roster of only 3 good players.

we wouldnt have to give up bledsoe

typically talented vets sign with contending teams and a big 3 of CP3, Blake and Howard would be a title contenders for years. The Miami Heat did it and they won.

Think about it with Cp3, Blake and Howard. We would have the best players in the 3 positions the heat are weaker at.

Chris = Best PG. Blake = Best PF. Howard = 3rd Best C

Dwight is definitly not the best C but he definitly gets paid like he is, that leaves no room for insurance players in case 1 of our 3 players gets injured. The only reason I'd even kinda want Dwight is just to make Laker Fans cry.

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CapsNClips wrote:
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Howard is better than DJ, but is he better than DJ, Butler, Bledsoe + Barnes combined? Because that's who we would have to either trade or let go to get ONE player.

I'm obviously being dramatic, but I like our roster with an average center that can hit FT's more than a roster of only 3 good players.

we wouldnt have to give up bledsoe

typically talented vets sign with contending teams and a big 3 of CP3, Blake and Howard would be a title contenders for years. The Miami Heat did it and they won.

Think about it with Cp3, Blake and Howard. We would have the best players in the 3 positions the heat are weaker at.

Chris = Best PG. Blake = Best PF. Howard = 3rd Best C

Dwight is definitly not the best C but he definitly gets paid like he is, that leaves no room for insurance players in case 1 of our 3 players gets injured. The only reason I'd even kinda want Dwight is just to make Laker Fans cry.

Dwight is the best Center in the NBA when healthy, you can tell he hasn't been himself since his back surgery.im sure next year should be fine

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^ I'm taking into account him not being 100% and he's still not better than Gasol and Noah. He got pinked by a 37 year old Duncan.

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I hate his personality... but basketball-wise I think Pau Gasol would be a better, cheaper option at Center if he's healthy.

Defensively we don't get better (but not much worse if at all) and offensively the floor spacing of CP, Pau, BG, and shooters would be amazing. It'd be an alternate version of what Marc & Zach do in Memphis (less D) but we have better guards to even that out...

Dwight would make us better than last year & make us an even bigger destination for Vet FA's the way MIA is getting guys to take less money to play there... definitely would need a better, more respected coach to make it work.

Bottom line, anyone's better than DJ...

Pau

Dwight

Vulecic (idk spelling but ORL's C)

Robin

Kanter

I'll take whatever we can get, just don't wanna see DJ or Odom as our C options making 18 mil ever again!

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I don't understand why CP3 wouldn't take less money over 5 years so we can sign more talent. I do not want 1 contract holding our team hostage. If LBJ, Wade and Bosh will take less than max, then so can CP3.

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indeed skill wise pau gasol would be better than dwight, but defensively and toughness he wouldnt, and defense and toughness is what we need from our center. Personally i dont think howard and griffin would clog up the paint, i believe blake will have a much more consistent shot next year and with his passing ability may help dwight thrive, and with the right coach and think the they could thrive together

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This!!! Also if he wants to increase his chances to win a championship. He can make up his money with the new found endorsements that he's getting since coming to LA.

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clippers will have 47 mill committed in contracts next year if they shed dj, butler, greens contracts would leave the clippers 26 million committed on the salary. that 34 million that the chris paul and dwight can split. and yes course you have cap hold to incorporate, but wouldn't you be willing to renounce the right to odom and billups in order to sign chris paul and dwight. and if grant hill plans to retire we can trade his expiring contract for a trade exception that we can use to sign a play in a sign and trade.

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Is this a joke?!

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Don't think this is logistically possible. And considering how much Dwight prioritizes being liked above all else, becoming the most hated person in Los Angeles doesn't sound like something he'd be interested in.

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You're overthinking it. You sign Howard first, then you go over the cap to sign Paul, which you can do as we have rights to him. Chris Paul can command $18,668,431 salary and Dwight Howard $20,513,178, or a total of $39,109,609. Hill can be convinced to retire, particularly if we offer him an assistant coach job. Bledsoe will have to be traded along with one of those players (DJ or Butler, or both) to convince a team to take that on.

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word on the block is that paul pierce may be bought out of his contract. free cap to sign dwight and cp3 and sign peirce for the mle

just imagine Cp3, Bledsoe, Pierce, Griffin, Howard ...vets would definitely come running to that team.

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I'd be happy with Dwight joining. Slightly better freethrow shooting, and the team wouldn't be afraid to give him the ball in the post. Only downside I see is that it might stunt Blake's growth as an offensive players with less touches.

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Mistwell wrote:
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clippers will have 47 mill committed in contracts next year if they shed dj, butler, greens contracts would leave the clippers 26 million committed on the salary. that 34 million that the chris paul and dwight can split. and yes course you have cap hold to incorporate, but wouldn't you be willing to renounce the right to odom and billups in order to sign chris paul and dwight. and if grant hill plans to retire we can trade his expiring contract for a trade exception that we can use to sign a play in a sign and trade.

You're overthinking it. You sign Howard first, then you go over the cap to sign Paul, which you can do as we have rights to him. Chris Paul can command $18,668,431 salary and Dwight Howard $20,513,178, or a total of $39,109,609. Hill can be convinced to retire, particularly if we offer him an assistant coach job. Bledsoe will have to be traded along with one of those players (DJ or Butler, or both) to convince a team to take that on.

You just can't sign Howard first and then sign CP3. Even if CP3 isn't signed, he will still have a cap hold which will be close to his last year's salary, iirc. So if there is enough money after the cap hold, then you sign Howard and CP3. But if the cap hold still has us over the cap, you can't sign Howard and then CP3 even with his bird rights.

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wishful thinking.. But there take into consideration that in order to shed DJ and Butlers salaries is to completely find a team that is willing to just take on salary to take the likes of those 2.. Or else your taking cap back in return and in essence just replace their contracts with somebody else's.. And i am sorry but a DJ BLEDSOE AND BUTLER for Howard makes absolutely no sense for the Lakers...

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^thats why we would have to make trades and free up cap, and have to renounce birds in order to free up those huge cap hold....remember when we were gonna try to sign baron davis and elton brand and we had to renounce bird rights in order to free up enough cap to sign them both, we will have to do the same for paul and dwight. unless we free enough to wear that necessary. or chris paul signs for paycut which fills his cap hold allowing us to free up some cap

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Question...

I know LAL is over cap and can't do a S&T to get a big fish FA.

But can they do a S&T to lose one?

Like if Dwight said, "sign me & move me to the Clippers." can the Lakers take back DJ hypothetically just so they don't get stuck with no Center?

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I get what you're saying, but the Clips have become a league favorite. We sell out other team's arenas. The Clippers' fan base is growing more and more all over the league. He'll get booed when we play the Lakers, but that's it. IMO.

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You renounce CP3 then CP3 lost all his bird rights incentives...And we lost all our leverage on other teams. That means we can't offer him the extra year and money we could with his bird rights. So all we can offer is what other teams can.

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No. They can't receive any player but they would still have Gasol as center.

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CapsNClips wrote:
cashdld wrote:
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Howard is better than DJ, but is he better than DJ, Butler, Bledsoe + Barnes combined? Because that's who we would have to either trade or let go to get ONE player.

I'm obviously being dramatic, but I like our roster with an average center that can hit FT's more than a roster of only 3 good players.

we wouldnt have to give up bledsoe

typically talented vets sign with contending teams and a big 3 of CP3, Blake and Howard would be a title contenders for years. The Miami Heat did it and they won.

Think about it with Cp3, Blake and Howard. We would have the best players in the 3 positions the heat are weaker at.

Chris = Best PG. Blake = Best PF. Howard = 3rd Best C

Dwight is definitly not the best C but he definitly gets paid like he is, that leaves no room for insurance players in case 1 of our 3 players gets injured. The only reason I'd even kinda want Dwight is just to make Laker Fans cry.

they been crying that's a torture already

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clipper*joe wrote:
uncool wrote:
Question...

I know LAL is over cap and can't do a S&T to get a big fish FA.

But can they do a S&T to lose one?

Like if Dwight said, "sign me & move me to the Clippers." can the Lakers take back DJ hypothetically just so they don't get stuck with no Center?

No. They can't receive any player but they would still have Gasol as center.

lol pau is too soft for a PF imagine him playing center

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didnt they beat the magic in the finals with pau at C?

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im sure there are potential team that come mind in shedding jordans contract such as the blazers who have be desperately searching for a starting center for years who just last year offered roy hibbert the max deal. Butlers contract would be more easy seeing that hes an expiring contract and there are multiple team that can use his services such as utah jazz, Washington wizards, dallas mavs, celtics if they were to buyout pierce, Milwaukie bucks to name a few. Its definitely doable...the question is .....do the clippers have elite executives that can convince cp3 and d12 to cut there contracts to team up.

Side note even if we dont get dwight I still think the clippers should use the full mle on paul pierce if he is bought out

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Pipe dream, but CP, PP, BG, and D12 would be amazing

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Next year Blake would be limited with Dwight constantly in the post. It's not a good fit. I can't think of a good Superstar tandom that play in the same general area, not to mention CP gets the majority of his buckets in the paint. I can only think of Tim Duncan and David Robinson who both played in n out of the post constantly together.

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amazingly not fun to root for.

i want a hard-working team-oriented squad, not a bunch of superstars.

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ekker3 wrote:
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Pipe dream, but CP, PP, BG, and D12 would be amazing

amazingly not fun to root for.

i want a hard-working team-oriented squad, not a bunch of superstars.

BIIINGOOOO!!!

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If the Clippers are going to invest that much money on a third superstar than it should be Lebron James... Howard would be an upgrade from DJ but not that much of an upgrade.

The only difference between DJ and Howard is that Howard is a better rebounder (Which allows Howard to capitalize on second chance points thus having a better average than DJ) and a defensive presence.

Can DJ become a better rebounder and defensive presence? Absolutely but the Clippers must invest on a personal coach for DJ and get a defensive minded coach (Jerry Sloan, Stan Van Gundy, Nate McMillan) to utilize DJ better than VDN.

If the Clippers pursue a better center or decide to trade DJ than my vote would be for Cousins... This kid is a beast, in need of some veteran leadership and guidance, but a definite beast.

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ClippersSince97 wrote:
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lol pau is too soft for a PF imagine him playing center

didnt they beat the magic in the finals with pau at C?

maybe you forgot who andrew bynum is.

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lol pau is too soft for a PF imagine him playing center

didnt they beat the magic in the finals with pau at C?

maybe you forgot who andrew bynum is.

might not have been the magic series but bynum was only healthy for one finals run if i'm not mistaken. please correct me if i'm wrong though.

EDIT: so he played in both finals series when the lakers won in 09 and 10 but in the magic series he only avg'd 19 minutes so Pau got heavy mins at C.

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I bet the medical staffs in Philly and over there in Laker Land haven't forgotten Bynum...

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Dwight Howard is the ultimate team killer.

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Mmmm....this is very wrong, you are aware of that, right?

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CapsNClips wrote:
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sign and trade with the lakers????

D12/metta for DJ/bledose/butler/odom

works out for both.

Paul/billups

billups/crawford

metta/hill

griffin/turiaf

howard/hollins

bledsoe/nash

kobe/meeks

bulter/odom

gasol/jamison

DJ/hill

Lakers can't do S&T's until they get under the cap.

Know what you are talking about before posting. Lakers CAN do a S&T because they have Howard's bird rights.

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Mistwell wrote:
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clippers will have 47 mill committed in contracts next year if they shed dj, butler, greens contracts would leave the clippers 26 million committed on the salary. that 34 million that the chris paul and dwight can split. and yes course you have cap hold to incorporate, but wouldn't you be willing to renounce the right to odom and billups in order to sign chris paul and dwight. and if grant hill plans to retire we can trade his expiring contract for a trade exception that we can use to sign a play in a sign and trade.

You're overthinking it. You sign Howard first, then you go over the cap to sign Paul, which you can do as we have rights to him. Chris Paul can command $18,668,431 salary and Dwight Howard $20,513,178, or a total of $39,109,609. Hill can be convinced to retire, particularly if we offer him an assistant coach job. Bledsoe will have to be traded along with one of those players (DJ or Butler, or both) to convince a team to take that on.

Know what you are talking about before posting. Clippers CAN NOT do this. In order to sign Howard outright they would have to renounce Chris Pauls bird rights. Pauls projective contract counts against the clippers salary cap UNTIL they renounce his bird rights.

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clipper*joe wrote:
uncool wrote:
Question...

I know LAL is over cap and can't do a S&T to get a big fish FA.

But can they do a S&T to lose one?

Like if Dwight said, "sign me & move me to the Clippers." can the Lakers take back DJ hypothetically just so they don't get stuck with no Center?

No. They can't receive any player but they would still have Gasol as center.

Yes they can.

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keephopealive wrote:
CapsNClips wrote:
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sign and trade with the lakers????

D12/metta for DJ/bledose/butler/odom

works out for both.

Paul/billups

billups/crawford

metta/hill

griffin/turiaf

howard/hollins

bledsoe/nash

kobe/meeks

bulter/odom

gasol/jamison

DJ/hill

Lakers can't do S&T's until they get under the cap.

Know what you are talking about before posting. Lakers CAN do a S&T because they have Howard's bird rights.

You're right, I was thinking they can't S&T for another player like CP.

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Lakers also had Odom out there to play PF/C during their trips to the finals. Pau Gasoft wasn't the only big man on that team. But I do believe Pau did end up playing C most nights when Bynum was out.

As for Dwight, it's only a scenario if everybody takes less cash and people get traded. To jump through that many hoops would be way too much of a headache even to think about it, let alone try to orchestrate.

As far as CP3 taking less money, I am sure he would but we all know the Clippers are going to offer him every single penny they possibly can.

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keephopealive wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
uncool wrote:
Question...

I know LAL is over cap and can't do a S&T to get a big fish FA.

But can they do a S&T to lose one?

Like if Dwight said, "sign me & move me to the Clippers." can the Lakers take back DJ hypothetically just so they don't get stuck with no Center?

No. They can't receive any player but they would still have Gasol as center.

Yes they can.

Nope

Tax teams can't receive players in S&T's

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No. They can't receive any player but they would still have Gasol as center.
Yes they can. No they can't. You might want to read up on the CBA. As you would say: "Know what you are talking about before posting." Under the previous agreement, if a team exceeded the luxury tax level by $4 million, it paid an additional $4 million in tax penalties. If it went over by $14 million, it paid $14 million in penalties. Next season, because of various increases in penalties, that $4 million will cost a team $6 million. And the team that goes over by $14 million will....

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Agent0 wrote:
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If the Clippers are going to invest that much money on a third superstar than it should be Lebron James... Howard would be an upgrade from DJ but not that much of an upgrade.

The only difference between DJ and Howard is that Howard is a better rebounder (Which allows Howard to capitalize on second chance points thus having a better average than DJ) and a defensive presence.

Can DJ become a better rebounder and defensive presence? Absolutely but the Clippers must invest on a personal coach for DJ and get a defensive minded coach (Jerry Sloan, Stan Van Gundy, Nate McMillan) to utilize DJ better than VDN.

If the Clippers pursue a better center or decide to trade DJ than my vote would be for Cousins... This kid is a beast, in need of some veteran leadership and guidance, but a definite beast.

Mmmm....this is very wrong, you are aware of that, right?
How?

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what about when lakers had malone and shaq

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