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Post Subject: ESPN: Del Negro Could Return Post ID: 382907by Yaroslavs#1Fan » May 16, 2013 - 02:21 AM PST
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http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/stor ... head-coach

I knew it. Del Negro will be back on a one year deal most likely.



                
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Post Subject: RE: ESPN: Del Negro Could Return Post ID: 382908by clip_joint » May 16, 2013 - 02:38 AM PST
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Worst news ever

                
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Post Subject: RE: ESPN: Del Negro Could Return Post ID: 382909by The_Blake_Show » May 16, 2013 - 02:39 AM PST
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The Clippers will lose Chris Paul if VDN returns...

                
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Post ID: 382910by Yaroslavs#1Fan » May 16, 2013 - 02:45 AM PST
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You've gotta think that cp is on board if we do bring vinny back.

                
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Post ID: 382912by Griffinforpresident » May 16, 2013 - 02:54 AM PST
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You have got to shitting me. If CP3 is on board with this, fine. Only if Paul comes back. However, if Paul doesn't come back and this decision was made by Sterling, God help us all! Afterward, Sterling, just like Al Davis, can't live forever.

                
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Post ID: 382913by The_Blake_Show » May 16, 2013 - 02:54 AM PST
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Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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The Clippers will lose Chris Paul if VDN returns...
You've gotta think that cp is on board if we do bring vinny back.

I seriously doubt it... It doesn't mention Chris Paul's involvement.

Chris Paul knows that the Clippers need a better coach to progress in the west.

I'm hoping this other team interested in VDN will make a move before Donald Sterling makes a huge mistake.

                
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Post ID: 382914by Griffinforpresident » May 16, 2013 - 02:56 AM PST
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Now I'm gonna be losing sleep over this.

                
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Post ID: 382915by The_Blake_Show » May 16, 2013 - 03:07 AM PST
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I hear you...

                
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Post ID: 382916by bullterrierclipsfan1349 » May 16, 2013 - 03:09 AM PST
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im tired with the whole "its up to cp3 to pick the coach". no its not, he should not have the last word, especially when he went on record as saying "i got to do a lot of thinking and praying to see what i do next". who is he now, some sort of prophet? just come out and say "im coming back, or im leaving". that way the franchise could move accordingly. its not fair to hold the franchise hostage, after they allowed you to have free reign on who to bring in and to bring back vdn. if he comes back, great. if he moves on, great. just try to get something back for him.

                
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Post ID: 382919by The_Blake_Show » May 16, 2013 - 03:30 AM PST
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It's not up to Chris Paul...

But I do believe that Chris Paul along with Blake should be incorporated in this process of choosing the next coach. To be fair, it's the players who will have a direct relationship with the coach. All parties should be on the same page. Management would have the last say though.

                
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Post ID: 382920by divinebeast » May 16, 2013 - 04:49 AM PST
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You mean the Clippers are still owned and managed by Donald Sterling?

I'm shocked I tell you! SHOCKED!!!

                
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Post ID: 382922by Agent0 » May 16, 2013 - 07:03 AM PST
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Players need a negotiating tactic. Not commiting puts pressure on the team to work hard to improve in order to bring you back. You also close your doors quickly and handicap yourself if you dislike moves the team makes before you are signed. This is advice given by agents.

If you say I'm definitely coming back, then the team does some crazy stuff, such as coaching decisions, you've now committed to coming back and have to go back on your word if you no longer like the situation.

                
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Post ID: 382923by ArtMaggot » May 16, 2013 - 07:22 AM PST
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How many of us go to work on a daily basis and work for a boss who is a complete idiot? I do, but I worked hard at my craft, I excelled at my craft and I was paid for my efforts. I succeeded despite the incompetence of my boss. If anything my efforts were a reflection of my pride in what I do, can we say the same about all the member of our Clippers, If we played with as much heart as the Bulls did in the Heat series we would have won it all.

I cannot put it all on Vinny, maybe I am old school but you cannot have the best regular season ever, have milestones and in return get fired. I call BS.

Remember Vinny wanted to trade DJ during the season; no we all want him gone.

                
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Post ID: 382924by tha_situation » May 16, 2013 - 07:59 AM PST
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I wanted him gone long before that.

                
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Post ID: 382926by Clippersfan86 » May 16, 2013 - 08:05 AM PST
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Wow. Every year I have huge excitement going into the year but not this year. If Vinny stays and we don't go after a big name coach right now... It will be devastating. I lose all faith in Sterling for yet again taking the easiest, cheapest route. Maybe CP3 SHOULD leave to wake him up honestly.

                
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Post ID: 382927by Hooch20 » May 16, 2013 - 08:13 AM PST
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I still think Del Negro is gone. I just think Sterling wants to make sure Vinny works out the remainder of his contract. The team waited into free agency to hire VDN and may do the same again. While it looks like much has changed in Clipperland, some things still haven't.

                
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Post ID: 382928by ArtMaggot » May 16, 2013 - 09:04 AM PST
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Did anyone hear the Caron Butler interview on Max & Marcellus show yesterday, very good insight into the player/coach relationship.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/losangeles/play?id=9280194

                
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Post ID: 382932by Grillinnap » May 16, 2013 - 09:49 AM PST
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**** you Sterling. Here's our chance to completely take over the city for more years to come and this is what you do. After reading that article, it sounds like the FO wants a coaching change but it's that damn old man that wants to interfere and keep Vinny. This guy will never commit to long-term success.

Bye Cris Paul.

                
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Post ID: 382933by Grillinnap » May 16, 2013 - 10:00 AM PST
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Oh please, PLEASE somebody offer Vinny money that he can't resist. Offer him a couple of Lamborghini's, your hot wife, a lifetime of free meals at PF Chang's Bistro. Anything to get him out of LA.

                
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Post ID: 382935by clipper*joe » May 16, 2013 - 10:06 AM PST
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"At least one other team with a coaching vacancy is interested in speaking to Del Negro, according to one source close to the process, but so far Del Negro has pursued only a return to the Clippers."

I wonder who that other team is.

                
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Post ID: 382936by Hooch20 » May 16, 2013 - 10:09 AM PST
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The Bobcats would make sense. VDN was brought in to coach a young Clippers team and the Bobcats fit that. Now he's just in over his head with the Clippers.

                
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Post ID: 382937by Voyeur » May 16, 2013 - 10:11 AM PST
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Ugh.

I just don't want to see another year of no play calls in the 4th quarter. Another year of not truly knowing how to utilize Blake's potential. Another year keeping players on or off the court too long. I want a coach that is expert at this kind of stuff. I want a coach that would actually know how to motivate a team this talented when their backs are against the wall in the playoffs.

I'm all for a young coach learning on the job. I'm just not sure Vinny learns anything.

                
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Post ID: 382938by clipper*joe » May 16, 2013 - 10:14 AM PST
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"The final call ultimately rests with Clippers owner Donald Sterling -- who is regarded as Del Negro's biggest backer in the organization -- but one source close to the process said Wednesday that team officials were still deliberating and that no decision has been made yet."

"Clippers general manager Gary Sacks said after the season that he would speak with the Clippers' players and weigh their opinions before making a decision on Del Negro and the roster improvements L.A. needs going forward. Those meetings took place last week."

This tells me that the decision is being held up at FO level, not ownership. This tells me that maybe some of the key players might be siding with VDN on this. If the players really hated this guy, and there was a consensus that he should leave, the deal would have been done.

JMHO

                
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Post ID: 382939by clipper*joe » May 16, 2013 - 10:16 AM PST
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"At least one other team with a coaching vacancy is interested in speaking to Del Negro, according to one source close to the process, but so far Del Negro has pursued only a return to the Clippers."

I wonder who that other team is.

The Bobcats would make sense. VDN was brought in to coach a young Clippers team and the Bobcats fit that. Now he's just in over his head with the Clippers.

I'm thinking maybe Nets?

                
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Post ID: 382940by jarca » May 16, 2013 - 10:17 AM PST
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this is what happened when you have an incompetent oh wait we dont have a gm

                
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Post ID: 382941by ArtMaggot » May 16, 2013 - 10:22 AM PST
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Listening to every available post season interview I get the sense (reading and listening between the lines) that a majority of the players have no problem with Vinny, mainly because he listens and has good communication. The only person who has a chip is DJ and do we really value his feelings about Vinny? If we keep VDN I will not be 100% distraught, just make some good off season personnel changes and pray that the guys work during the off season.

                
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Post ID: 382942by clips4life32 » May 16, 2013 - 10:26 AM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
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"At least one other team with a coaching vacancy is interested in speaking to Del Negro, according to one source close to the process, but so far Del Negro has pursued only a return to the Clippers."

I wonder who that other team is.

The Bobcats would make sense. VDN was brought in to coach a young Clippers team and the Bobcats fit that. Now he's just in over his head with the Clippers.

I'm thinking maybe Nets?

Not sure if it's the Nets. They are looking for a big name coach and plus I am not sure they are highly motivated on VDN because we were bounced out the first round too, but with a better team. It has to be a team with a lot of you g pieces. It would be interesting to see what happens...

                
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Post ID: 382943by Hooch20 » May 16, 2013 - 10:28 AM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
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"At least one other team with a coaching vacancy is interested in speaking to Del Negro, according to one source close to the process, but so far Del Negro has pursued only a return to the Clippers."

I wonder who that other team is.

The Bobcats would make sense. VDN was brought in to coach a young Clippers team and the Bobcats fit that. Now he's just in over his head with the Clippers.

I'm thinking maybe Nets?

I also wouldn't rule out the Bucks.

                
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Post ID: 382944by CP3Heliflopter » May 16, 2013 - 10:32 AM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
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"At least one other team with a coaching vacancy is interested in speaking to Del Negro, according to one source close to the process, but so far Del Negro has pursued only a return to the Clippers."

I wonder who that other team is.

The Bobcats would make sense. VDN was brought in to coach a young Clippers team and the Bobcats fit that. Now he's just in over his head with the Clippers.

I'm thinking maybe Nets?

The Nets are looking for a proven coach.... Bucks are a possibility since they are a treadmill team and ownership isn't looking to contend just fill up seats. Also lottery teams like the Bobcats.

                
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Post ID: 382948by clipper*joe » May 16, 2013 - 10:49 AM PST
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Not sure about big name coaches. They've already ruled out the Van Gundy Bros. Avery Johnson and PJ who are known coaches ended up having their players revolt against them. PJ got it good during the playoffs. I think they're looking for a players coach now.

                
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This is whyyyyyy Front Office should have pulled the trigger on all the trades and gone for it all this season. If Del Negro was given the pieces he was clamoring for, then the decision wouldn't be this difficult. A first round exit woulda been his ticket out with all his players onboard. It's easy to say Vinny doesn't run plays, etc etc but how are you gonna run anything with incompetent players? How many other coaches won 56 games? Of all the coaches available , who has the most upside? I hear a lot suggestions of Sloane, Van Gundy, and a bunch of other coaches who haven't really won anything.

This will be an interesting decision. Grab your popcorn.

                
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Post ID: 382954by clipstar » May 16, 2013 - 11:13 AM PST
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clipper*joe wrote:
clips4life32 wrote:
Not sure if it's the Nets. They are looking for a big name coach and plus I am not sure they are highly motivated on VDN because we were bounced out the first round too, but with a better team. It has to be a team with a lot of you g pieces. It would be interesting to see what happens...

Not sure about big name coaches. They've already ruled out the Van Gundy Bros. Avery Johnson and PJ who are known coaches ended up having their players revolt against them. PJ got it good during the playoffs. I think they're looking for a players coach now.

Wouldn't be surprised if it was the Nets... I always saw them as the Clippers East....

                
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Post ID: 382956by Voyeur » May 16, 2013 - 11:19 AM PST
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There's a lot of coaches who "haven't won anything" yet you can tell they are far and away better coaches. "How are you gonna run anything with incompetent players?" I got news for you, those players are the reason we had our best season ever. NOT Vinny. And a better coach would have done so much more with that talent. He certainly would have motivated them better in the post season. And how can ANYONE see the coaching job Vinny did in Game 6 and not realize how terrible he is. Who benches Jamal Crawford in the 4th quarter? Crawford was 3rd in the league in 4th quarter scoring and led all players in 4th quarter +/-! Who does that?

                
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Post ID: 382959by CLIPSET » May 16, 2013 - 11:29 AM PST
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You have to be realistic man. If the players are the reason they won 56, then those same players are responsible for losing to the series to the Grizz. Right? Vinny was the one out there boxing ZBO out,right? Did you watch Crawford perform? It's not like he was smoking hot the entire series. Far and away better coaches doesn't necessarily mean winning. Spolstra won a title and going for more and he's not top 10 coaches in the league.

At the end of the day basketball is not Rocket science. It's a matter of heart,desire, defense,and fundamentals.

                
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Post ID: 382962by ArtMaggot » May 16, 2013 - 11:50 AM PST
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Agree 100%

                
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Post ID: 382963by Voyeur » May 16, 2013 - 11:50 AM PST
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Wrong. The lineup that allowed us to win 56 games included Willie Green. We were at our best with his younger, healthier legs defending. So in that respect, these were NOT the same players that lost the series. And before game 6 we NEVER played Chauncey in the 4th. I understand Crawford didn't shoot the ball well, but he shot a hell of a lot better than Billups. And a good coach would recognize that Crawford can heat up on a dime...especially in the 4th. There were some problems stopping Z Bo...yet we still had a shot at winning. But Vinny's decision to play Billups absolutely, positively KILLED that opportunity.

And to suggest we may as well keep Vinny and remain status quo is to give in to a loser's mentality. And I thought we were OVER that.

                
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Post ID: 382965by ClippersSince97 » May 16, 2013 - 11:52 AM PST
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But the right coaching increases your chances of winning exponentially. Vinny wasn't out there boxing out ZBo, but he doesn't have to because that's not his job. His job is to come up with offensive and defensive schemes in order to put our team in the best position to win nightly and drawing up plays to the strengths of our players which is something he did not do consistently. During the regular season, it's easier to win games on talent and basic plays. In the playoffs, it's a whole different story. Vinny's biggest issues were not making the right adjustments game after game and not drawing up adequate plays to counter the other teams' blows. Just look at where Thibs took the Bulls after they replaced VDN. DRose became the youngest MVP ever. That's all the proof you need.

                
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Post ID: 382967by Voyeur » May 16, 2013 - 11:59 AM PST
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Look. I always thought Vinny was a mediocre coach. Which can be just fine on the right team. I was never harsh on Vinny most of the season. It wasn't until that game against Orlando in which Vinny deliberately kept the ball away from BG the final 4 minutes that I started to get annoyed.

But the difference between a mediocre coach and a bad one is a bad coach makes decisions that counter success. Keeping the ball away in the final 4 minutes of a game from the one player scoring at will is counter success. Continuing to start a player that obviously makes our team worse than we were when we started Green is counter success. Benching the best 4th quarter player not named Kobe or Durant in favor of a guy past his prime who hasn't played well all season in the last quarter of potentially our last game of the season is COUNTER success.

                
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Post ID: 382968by smittywerb » May 16, 2013 - 12:02 PM PST
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Hooch20 wrote:
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"At least one other team with a coaching vacancy is interested in speaking to Del Negro, according to one source close to the process, but so far Del Negro has pursued only a return to the Clippers."

I wonder who that other team is.

The Bobcats would make sense. VDN was brought in to coach a young Clippers team and the Bobcats fit that. Now he's just in over his head with the Clippers.

I've mentioned in another thread that the bobcats would be the best fit for him. They are soon going to have a nice core of walker/mkg/Noel and he could be right there coaching them up. He did well with the young clippers and don't doubt he could get he bobcats to the playoffs.

                
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Post ID: 382969by ClipsGForce » May 16, 2013 - 12:02 PM PST
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I hope this is not true. As much of a decent coach Vinny is, my biggest gripe is that he fail to make this team improve thoughout season. Yes, you can still improve after a 17 game winning streak. The thing is he doesn't give our young players a chance to develop, make mistake, let them learn it, and practice it throughout the season.

People would say he need to coach to secure homecourt. Yet, we didn't even use our homecourt ticket on this playoff. I rather allow young players to make mistake, learn it from our veterans and coaches then come to playoff time, they won't be that useless.

Ugh!

                
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Post ID: 382971by gary » May 16, 2013 - 12:26 PM PST
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This board is filled with fans who have NO clue. NONE. First off, the ONLY ones who thought VDN did a bad job are DJ and Blake and THEY are the reason we are out of the playoffs. NOT VDN. VDN tried his best to get rid of DJ before the playoffs and he was pure awful. He has ZERO offensive game and disappears on D. Blake is such a crybaby that he gets NO respect from anyone in the league. We lost to Memphis because we got out toughed. Last year we had Martin and Evans who have limited skills but are tough and against Memphis, you need that. We HAVE to have a post player who can shoot and defend. Quit blaming VDN. We had so many players who look good on paper but didn't perform. Lamar, god awful offensively. Grant Hill was a zero. Chauncey was a zero. Caron didnt play a lick of D. We have too many players who cant play D. PERIOD. We HAVE to get rid of DJ and that contract...PERIOD. The only way we get that done is if we package Bledsoe. If we had gotten Garnet, who granted is old, we would have beaten Memphis, because he can play outside in and guard Gasol or ZBO. He has the toughness we MUST have.

                
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Post ID: 382979by ClippersSince97 » May 16, 2013 - 01:02 PM PST
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^ So you're ok with VDN being extended?

                
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Post ID: 382982by CP3Heliflopter » May 16, 2013 - 01:05 PM PST
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Yep lets blame everyone but VDN. Even though he hasn't proven jack squat. Any coach can do well in the regular season with a good team. VDN is the pinnacle of a trivial, mediocre coach and no one outside of delusional Clippers fans thinks otherwise.

                
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Post ID: 382983by CapsNClips » May 16, 2013 - 01:05 PM PST
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I'm going to 100% honest, I would rather have Vinny + McMillan as assistant coach than Sloan. If McMillan can't find the right head coaching job he might want to come back to basketball as an assistant to a contender team.

                
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Post ID: 382985by CP3Heliflopter » May 16, 2013 - 01:07 PM PST
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McMillan is a known PG killer, "a defensive minded coach" who coached mediocre defenses and a terrible offensive coach. He is even worse than VDN. His record in RS and PS are pathetic.

Lets get a VDN duplicate who is actually worse than VDN and a PG killer. Sorry but he is terrible.

                
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Post ID: 382988by CapsNClips » May 16, 2013 - 01:11 PM PST
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CP3Heliflopter wrote:
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I'm going to 100% honest, I would rather have Vinny + McMillan than Sloan. If McMillan can't find the right head coaching job he might want to come back to basketball as an assistant to a contender team.
McMillan is a known PG killer, "a defensive minded coach" who coached mediocre defenses and a terrible offensive coach. He is even worse than VDN. His record in RS and PS are pathetic.

Lets get a VDN duplicate who is actually worse than VDN and a PG killer. Sorry but he is terrible.

McMillan isn't a good offensive coach that's exactly why I want to make him the defensive coach and have Vinny run the offense. Vinny is a top 5 offensive coach and you can't argue that. What did us in this year was 3pt defense, non-hard fouls, and DeAndre Jordan.

We could fix 2 of those Achillis heals with one move.

                
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Post ID: 382989by CapsNClips » May 16, 2013 - 01:12 PM PST
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Oh I now realize I didn't make it clear at first that I want him as an assistant coach, my bad.

                
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Post ID: 382990by CP3Heliflopter » May 16, 2013 - 01:25 PM PST
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You actually did but my point is how does he help? He is basically another VDN. Maybe a better motivator. He is a defensive minded coach who actually never had good defensive teams. What kind of defensive coach is that? Also VDN has a good offense since he has CP3.... CP3 can run a good offense even with mediocre offensive players.... A tandem of CP3 and BG + decent shooters should never be ranked any lower than top 5 on offense even with a bad coach.

                
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Post ID: 382991by renshaibob » May 16, 2013 - 01:28 PM PST
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I blame VDN for not developing our bigs. you can't hide DJ on the bench all year then expect him to produce in the playoffs, you can't have him and BG chasing PG's and SG's at the 3 point line all year then decide you want them to be bangers low post rim protectors. All year long he ran pretty much ISO or pick&roll plays nothing to develop your post game. His 3 point D scheme was horrible and the guy just can't make timely decisions. I don't think much of DJ but I do think a good coach could have put him in better rotation during the year and got more out of him the same goes with EB. VDN is an ok coach for an ok team that's ok with staying comfortable and just keeping everybody happy. A good coach now he pushes his players and guide's them, gives them harsh and honest love, calls them out and still get respect. I wouldn't listen to CP or BG the team needs a coach that does what he wants and not what CP and BG wants and I think BG needs a coach with a strong voice to guide him in the future.

                
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Post ID: 382995by gary » May 16, 2013 - 01:30 PM PST
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There is NO chance CP3 stays with Mcmillan. Players flat out hate playing for him. CP3 Heliflopter. Let me ask you something. How many games do you go to? How long have you been a season ticket holder??? Do you watch the players react to DJ. Do you watch the coaches when DJ does anything. He is a joke. Does VDN coach Blakes antics? Until Blake grows up, we are not going to get better. VDN hands are tied because of CP3 wants Chauncey to start. The Clippers are screwed as long as they have 40% free throw shooters. Can we get a better coach than VDN, sure, but then CP3 has less say. The best thing the clips can do is trade DJ and show Blake that he is going to have to grow up. Even CP3 is tired of Blakes act.

                
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