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The Bulls did that because Rose turned out to be MVP caliber and had a big man who can play defense and rebound.

Blake Griffin is decent but SOFT. DJ is useless. I would like to see what VDN could do with a roster he helps assemble. 2 years isn't enough time to build a contender, especially the Clippers, considering how shitty they were before CP3. He deserved year 3.

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I'm getting tired of people calling Griffin soft. They were talking all about it on First Take today. People forget that Blake frustrates his opponents as much or more than they do him. Does anyone remember Blake having to play against Cousins, particularly last year. I forget why he was even playing him (probably because DJ couldn't) but Cousins was physical and called Blake an actor and even threatened to fight Blake after the game. Blake completely outplayed Cousins in back-to-back games.

Blake has also frustrated Randolph in the past. Heck, he did so in the first 2 games of this year's playoff series. Then everyone pretty much got dominated after that and the injury certainly didn't help Blake. Plus last year, in Blake's very first playoff appearance, he was very successful against Randolph. Sure Randolph was coming off injury, but that didn't stop him from trying to push Blake around and taking cheap shots (even getting away with punching Blake in the face), but Blake persevered. Hearing Steven A Smith today makes me wonder if people are calling on him to start swinging. Sure, part of me wants him to just clock Zach Randolph. But considering how much the officials already hate our team, I wonder what would happen if Blake starts punching?

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^^ DUDE, HE'S S O F T. You're worried about a suspension?!?! L M A O. Think Matt Barnes was thinking suspension when he went at Steinsma? Jason Smith, Jarred Dudley, DeMarcus Cousins, Z-Bo and countless others who get their share of cheap shots have softened Blake. That's why he gets no respect and no calls from the refs.

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CLIPSET wrote:
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Look what the Bulls did as soon as Vinny was canned. Hoping for the same/better result for the good guys next year.

Vinny has a house in Phoenix so wouldn't be shocked if he ended up there... WOULD be shocked if he was able to take the Suns to playoffs any time soon in the ultra competitive Western Conference

The Bulls did that because Rose turned out to be MVP caliber and had a big man who can play defense and rebound.

Blake Griffin is decent but SOFT. DJ is useless. I would like to see what VDN could do with a roster he helps assemble. 2 years isn't enough time to build a contender, especially the Clippers, considering how shitty they were before CP3. He deserved year 3.

bulls advanced into the 2nd round with a 4/5 of their starters injured

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jarca wrote:
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Look what the Bulls did as soon as Vinny was canned. Hoping for the same/better result for the good guys next year.

Vinny has a house in Phoenix so wouldn't be shocked if he ended up there... WOULD be shocked if he was able to take the Suns to playoffs any time soon in the ultra competitive Western Conference

The Bulls did that because Rose turned out to be MVP caliber and had a big man who can play defense and rebound.

Blake Griffin is decent but SOFT. DJ is useless. I would like to see what VDN could do with a roster he helps assemble. 2 years isn't enough time to build a contender, especially the Clippers, considering how shitty they were before CP3. He deserved year 3.

bulls advanced into the 2nd round with a 4/5 of their starters injured

That's true. Same results.

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^^ not really. bull with drose under vdn was a 8th spot and first round exit

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MATT BARNES??? You really want to compare Matt Barnes' importance to the team to Blake's?

I love Matt Barnes but we can still have a shot of winning games without him. Do you think Blake's teammates will thank him for getting himself ejected? What the hell's wrong with you people?

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Bulls still playing?

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^^ DUDE, HE'S S O F T. You're worried about a suspension?!?! L M A O. Think Matt Barnes was thinking suspension when he went at Steinsma? Jason Smith, Jarred Dudley, DeMarcus Cousins, Z-Bo and countless others who get their share of cheap shots have softened Blake. That's why he gets no respect and no calls from the refs.

MATT BARNES??? You really want to compare Matt Barnes' importance to the team to Blake's?

I love Matt Barnes but we can still have a shot of winning games without him. Do you think Blake's teammates will thank him for getting himself ejected? What the hell's wrong with you people?

You can never fault a man for defending himself. To answer your question, every player on the court is important to the team. All 5. It's that loser mentality that 1 player or certain players are bigger than the team or deserve different treatment that doesn't allow them to maximize their potential AS A TEAM. The Bulls are a perfect example of that this year. They're not an offensive juggernaut , they play defense and rebound. That's heart and desire.

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And a 41-41 record...

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Wow. That's a really nice Dr. Phil answer. But to suggest losing one of your all stars and lead scorer/rebounder is the same as losing anyone else is naive.

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To answer your question, every player on the court is important to the team. All 5. It's that loser mentality that 1 player or certain players are bigger than the team or deserve different treatment that doesn't allow them to maximize their potential AS A TEAM. The Bulls are a perfect example of that this year. They're not an offensive juggernaut , they play defense and rebound. That's heart and desire.

Wow. That's a really nice Dr. Phil answer. But to suggest losing one of your all stars and lead scorer/rebounder is the same as losing anyone else is naive.

lol

I thought it was funny when Stephen A said that ZBo grabbed his sack, looked at Blake and called him a bytch and that's after he choked his ass out. He's soft in that regard whether you like it or not. The league knows he's soft.

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I guess Blake was supposed to come off the bench and kick ZBo in the nads when he made that gesture.

That's where we differ. Some people still find childish antics funny. Others grow up.

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I thought it was funny when Stephen A said that ZBo grabbed his sack, looked at Blake and called him a bytch and that's after he choked his ass out. He's soft in that regard whether you like it or not. The league knows he's soft.

I guess Blake was supposed to come off the bench and kick ZBo in the nads when he made that gesture.

That's where we differ. Some people still find childish antics funny. Others grow up.

I blame MMA.

Too many people find the bashing of each others heads in as a fun thing to watch and do and they want to translate it into other sports. That is what the NFL is for.

Fighting and kicking each other in the nads is not what the NBA USED to be about,,again that is what the NFL was for. These street ball ganstas should act like adults too,,but they want the streets in the gyms now. Because that must define their manhood.

If they want to see men that fight for good reason, join the US Marine Corp and see what real men do.

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Voyeur wrote:
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I thought it was funny when Stephen A said that ZBo grabbed his sack, looked at Blake and called him a bytch and that's after he choked his ass out. He's soft in that regard whether you like it or not. The league knows he's soft.

I guess Blake was supposed to come off the bench and kick ZBo in the nads when he made that gesture.

That's where we differ. Some people still find childish antics funny. Others grow up.

Maybe I should have pressed enter to separate my comments. I was not suggesting "he jump off the bench and kick ZBO in the nads".

Look, Blake has the potential of becoming a GREAT post player in the league. If the Clippers are relying on him and CP3 to deliver titles, he's going to have to be more physical because you don't win titles playing pick and pop. Great post players like Shaq, Barkley,Duncan etc would not be getting punked like that.

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I guess I'm just frustrated with the piling on I saw on First Take regarding Griffin. This guy worked pretty hard this season for his team...and he's made sacrifices. Perhaps too many. But if you look at his per 36 min numbers, they're about the same as last year. Rebounding is slightly down, but assists and steals are up. He still hustles for loose balls. He still led the team in points and boards, which he's done since he stepped foot on the Clippers court. He's tried to improve his jumper and free throws (shot 81% in the playoffs) in an effort to fit his game into Paul's pick and roll system. And everyone from Chauncey to the coaching staff says nobody works harder on improving than Blake...

...and yet today I'm hearing First Take calling him soft, a diva, having a reputation for backing down...somehow he became the bad guy. SMH

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Just motivation. Besides, those guys have no one else to rip on now that Lebron is winning titles. They have to pick Durant, Griffin and others. There's no end to who they will attack.

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He doesn't value rebounding. How many times do you see him leak out so he can get a highlight dunk on fast break. I would like to see him value rebounding more than his highlight dunks. I like Blake but I also see immature attitude (see DJ) rubbing off on him ie. whining to refs, whining to coach, etc.

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The rebounding thing was something I eluded to somewhere last night while watching the Spurs and the Grizz. Unlike our team that leaves one guy who gives up if he misses, the bigs on both teams stay under the basket and beat the tar out of each other until someone gets that rebound.

DJ (or his replacement) and Blake have to stay and fight. That isn't the normal way SA plays but in order to handle MEM they had to go to the fight style. Our guys can play their normal game,,but the need to also learn that sometimes you gotta brawl and the playoffs is (are?) that time.

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Not in my book. I find all this "tough talk" pretty ridiculous because it sounds like MMA. This is NBA basketball- there are rules.

Blake was pretty good this season, improved his FT & jump shots obviously. He still needs to get better, and I'm sure he will, using all these bogus "analysis" by "experts" as motivation.

If he is watching the Spurs vs the Grizz, he will see Tim Duncan handling the Memphis bigs because Duncan can drill that 16 footer with no hesitation. If he becomes as good at catching and shooting, that will open up things so much more. A simple pump fake will then result in an easy dunk for Blake.

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I think DJ has been a bad influence on him and has given a more soft mentality. I remember when he used to crash the boards hard. Not so much this season.

He has made some improvements but also regressed in some areas too like rebounding.

I am going to wait and see until I call him soft though. He played through injuries in the Grizzlies series. Not really fair to rag on him.

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He's not necessarily soft, but he lacks that killer instinct, that edge, that nastiness.

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CLIPSET wrote:
Voyeur wrote:
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To answer your question, every player on the court is important to the team. All 5. It's that loser mentality that 1 player or certain players are bigger than the team or deserve different treatment that doesn't allow them to maximize their potential AS A TEAM. The Bulls are a perfect example of that this year. They're not an offensive juggernaut , they play defense and rebound. That's heart and desire.

Wow. That's a really nice Dr. Phil answer. But to suggest losing one of your all stars and lead scorer/rebounder is the same as losing anyone else is naive.

lol

I thought it was funny when Stephen A said that ZBo grabbed his sack, looked at Blake and called him a bytch and that's after he choked his ass out. He's soft in that regard whether you like it or not. The league knows he's soft.

Well said Voyeur he sounds ignorant and naive.

@CLIPSET, you sound like a big time Blake Griffin hater to me. Zach did not 'choke his ass out' and even IF he did why would you find that funny? roll

cut the guy some f'n slack, it even took Lebron (one of my personal favorite players and the best player in the league right now) a lot of time to get it right and look at him now. I believe Blake is only getting better, dudes only been in the league for 3 years, best is yet to come, sit back and relax. Oh and to answer this stupid thread's answer, NO, Blake IS NOT SOFT.

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But you notice he didn't really do that stuff the 2 years before. They were deliberately trying to outrun opponents on the break this year. That, and the fact Blake wouldn't be leaking out if he was defending the interior. Instead we had him defending the perimeter a lot more. So just about every time he was at the top of the key and saw a shot go up, he ran to the other end. Hard to say if that's his fault or our new system.

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Being soft in basketball gets thrown around so much that it's hard to even know what people mean. Blake is not soft, he isn't afraid to bang or get dirty, he doesn't shy away from contact, but he's not put of control where he can't process in his mind not to be hitting people because they hit him first. That's called being a child and lacking control of your emotions, and he has enough lack of that in other areas to not have it physically.

Also there have been many "soft" players who magically lost their soft label because their team won. Just be good, soft or "hard" is just not as relevant as people think to basketball, it's good to play tough and not back down, but you don't need to put on some persona. Tim Duncan doesn't act hard, but he certainly isn't a soft player. If he didn't win though, lol

Crashing the boards less might be due to teams making it a bigger priority to keep him off the glass, him playing away from the basket more of his possessions and/or the coaching staff emphasizing getting back on defense a little more as opposed to crashing the boards. The drop off isn't much if any of those things are in play. I also don't understand how that would be an influence of DJ when DJ crashes the boards a lot and is a great offensive rebounder. Blake had a bigger drop off in his defensive rebounds than his offensive.

Here are his per 36 rebounding numbers each year:

10-11: 3.1 Oreb / 8.3 Dreb

11-12: 3.3 Oreb / 7.5 Dreb

12-13: 2.6 Oreb / 6.6 Dreb

10-11: 10.2 ORB% / 26.9 DRB%

11-12: 10.7 ORB% / 25.1 DRB%

12-13: 8.7 ORB% / 21.5 DRB%

Offensive rebounds dropped a little this year, but his drop in rebounding in general is primarily due to defensive rebounds. Interestingly, I'm not sure he's leaking out more than he was as a rookie, but he's also focused more on challenging shots (since a lot of PF's have perimeter games) as opposed to just running to the glass to get rebounds when a player shoots and maybe neglecting sound defenses bit. He also will at times leak out after challenging on the perimeter, and that's usually a coaching / team design

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Great post, +1

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^ Agree.

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Is he soft? NO

He gets the crap kicked out of him and he's never backed down. Did anybody ever see him whimp? He's played tough with every tough player. He just isn't dirty. When have you seen him take a cheap shot even after he gets the shate end of the stick? The refs don't like him (his fault)

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Blake isnt soft, he is just immature and in experienced. He doesnt know how to handle himself yet. He doesnt understand when and how to retaliate. And his biggest problem is his bratty like attitude towards the refs which makes him come off like the biggest bitccch. He can never let anything go. He always has to say something and/or give them that stare. With that being said, he will grow up and become an enforcer in this league.

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I agree with everything you said.

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Blake needs to become a Bully. I think he's a little bit too worried about his image, and isn't focused on being the dominant low post player he needs to be.

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I don't think Blake will ever become a bully, it just isn't his personality. But I believe he will grow-up, mature, and be more physical. Also, he will learn how to deal with his emotions, opposing players, and refs.

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How about this for a commercial - UVO take me back to 2010, play jukebox. And Blake sees a bully with red hair beating up some kid who looks like a young ZBO and the bully says to Blake, "who are you..."

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Like a teddy bear.

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People are sick of getting embarrassed by Blake, so they just try to rag doll him. The refs let it go cause he just low-key talks trash to them all game. He talks to the refs like he hates them all personally, but it's not quiiiiiiite enough to get a Tech every time. It's just enough for the refs to not really want to protect him or give him any benefit of the doubt calls. The refs know he hates them. He knows the refs hate him. So, he also knows that the refs are just waiting for him to retaliate to all of the physical contact that he gets from everyone..........which I really feel is more than everyone else in the NBA takes on a game in game out basis. Then, I feel like he's stuck either completely avoiding or even biting his tongue about all of the extra contact. One day he's gonna snap and beat someone half to death under the hoop or pull someone down wrong and paralyze them on a dunk attempt.

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Aside from the Blake face, what has he done that was hard?

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the question is why should he have or be doing "hard" things?

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I sure hope Blake Griffin is soft.. If he's hard when other players back him down it may get uncomfortable.....

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I don't know if it is exactly as you describe it but I think you have a lot of it right and it needs to be sorted somehow because it is a really bad situation. Blake gets riduculous amount of contact because players are worried about getting embarassed by him and he just takes it. Please tell me how that is soft? Sometimes I think he is Gandhi or something Wink

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He needs to play with a big that will be the enforcer for this team. A guy like Garnett would really rub off on him. D.j. Is a spineless player who is always goofing around. Another words a big with the attitude of Matt Barnes.

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He needs a coach that will be able to shut down not just Blake's but the entire teams constant whining to the refs. Sure we seem to get screwed more than most teams, but we need a coach that will instill in these guys some composure and to utilize their anger and frustration in other ways.

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Agreed.

Who is that coach????

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shaq got hacked but he also hacks back. mourning got hacked but also hacked back. all great big men gave as hard as the sh1t they received

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Silasie wrote:
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He needs a coach that will be able to shut down not just Blake's but the entire teams constant whining to the refs. Sure we seem to get screwed more than most teams, but we need a coach that will instill in these guys some composure and to utilize their anger and frustration in other ways.

Agreed.

Who is that coach????

Heck if I know. I think a guy like Blake needs an experienced coach though. Not a new guy coaching for the first time. Just not sure if that'll be helpful for Blake's growth.

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I've come to the conclusion that blake unfortunately comes from the same competitive genetics as dwight howard, tmac, vince carter, and shawn kemp. Each one of the names i've mentioned all had the talent to become one of the best but they either didnt do enough to evolve their games or just don't have much dedication to winning.

I wish blake has the same obsession with the game as the kobe bryant, olajuwon, dirk, and duncan.

When was the last game that blake asked for the ball when the game is on the line. In order for him to succeed, he gotta learn how to accept responsibility.

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I have NEVER seen Blake want the ball when game is on the line. In fact, I always see him go away from ball at the end. I specifically watch for that at end of games, and see Blake either catch the ball and give it up immediately or go to a spot that will ensure he is not in the play. Even if he is having a big game, he will run away at end of game - it is my main problem with Blake. I think he is afraid his teammates will perceive they were let down. As much as I don't root for Kobe, his mentality comes from the fact he doesn't care what his teammates think.

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Blake plays soft. He has the potential to not be soft, but that's how he's been playing so far. He doesn't use his strength to his advantage a lot of the times and I think that's due to all the criticism he got his sophomore year when a lot of the "analysts" were saying all he does is dunk. He's trying a little too hard to have finesse so that people can perceive he is a cerebral player. He doesn't have that killer mentality because he defers to CP a little too much now. He's getting too comfortable being second fiddle. Before CP got here, he knew he was the man. He has been regressing since then and he needs to break out soon. I really hope he does because once he starts to believe he's better than his opponent every night, Blake will be unstoppable. It's coming, I just want it to come next season especially after seeing Curry tear it up in his first postseason appearance and I have to hear about it from all my bay area friends.

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I agree with what you say. I also believe his mentality will change soon.

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I want to see him go out there and just flat out dominate so badly. I don't mind if he just lets his game do the talking but I haven't seen him stay aggressive or demand the ball enough. Part of it is that he isn't good enough offensively yet but I still want to see him be more aggressive.

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I don't believe that Blake is soft by any means, but that doesn't mean he is not becoming soft. His rebound numbers are the sign to me that he might be leading in that direction. I don't believe he retaliates for more than just the obvious reason of not getting suspended, but rather to keep his image clean due to his endorsements. I never saw anyone flying at Oakley, McDaniels, Artest, with any endorsement deals. These were the enforcers that I can think of and don't really think that he can become one of them for the reason that kia money is too good. I don't see him going at someone like a barnes or starting ish like hollins anytime soon, maybe he would if someone were to go at CP in a dirty way cuz that is understandable.

With that said I do believe he can be a physical player, and really do believe he was his first two years. Boxing out getting tough rebounds especially his first year. If his rebounding becomes a little more fundamentally strong and not just jumping over people, but getting position early and not being pushed out of position so easily he will become the physical presence that we are looking for. Some improvement on the defensive side would help a lot, but don't know how much that can improve due to his shorter arms, maybe watching a lot of chuck hayes film.

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