Rumor: Eric Bledsoe & Caron Butler for Arron Afflalo (P. 3)

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i would also love to trade caron and bledsoe for afflalo and tobias harris if they want to keep their pick. harris can be our starting 3 and stretch 4.

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If we really want the #2, this might be more realistic:

Bledsoe + Butler + #25 for #2 + Al Harrington (6.6M for 2 years)

We get the #2 and draft Oladipo. Sign Barnes with the midlevel and we have this lineup.

CP3/Nate Robinson (split midlevel)

Olapido/Crawford

Barnes (split midlevel)/Harrington

Griffin/(vet min)Odom

DJ/(vet min)O'Neal

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Hmm...

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Magic are very big on Harris. No way they throw him in. He AVERAGED 18 ppg, 8.5 rpg as a starter after he got traded to the Magic.

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Afflalo's down year WITH the pressure he had on him leads me to think that he is not the player we want. We have aspirations of a deep playoff run, not of winning a bunch of meaningless (regular season) games.

Furthermore, what would we do with a #2 pick, assuming we even have a chance to get it off of their hands? Draft picks are not something that the organization should focus on as we should be in win NOW mode (pending CP3's re-signing, of course). Are we gonna romance CP3 into coming back and staying here by showing him how well our young players are developing? I don't think so.

DTS has already stated that he is willing to pay luxury tax, now. We can address all of our needs with solid, playoff worthy players and still pay a little tax. So, the fact that this trade nets us cap space is irrelevant, since we would be getting a mediocre, band-aid style fix to our immediate needs at SG.

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I think the Robin Lopez/EJ trade is way better cuz we lose DJ & get a better & cheaper C! That's the key! And I'd rather sign OJ Mayo straight up than give up Bled for a SG & still have DJ.

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I endorse this completely. A center that shows up, defensively, on the regular should be our top priority right now (besides coach). Butler is decent enough and "expiring contract" enough to be valuable without any additions.

The EJ trade plus somehow swapping Butler for Ariza or PP (if possible) and filling out the rest of the roster with september players would put us in great shape, albeit about 5 mil over the luxury tax threshold.

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If we got the number 2 pick id rather draft Otto Porter Jr out of GTown. That kid is going to be the best in the class and fill in EXACTLY where we need a young wing. And use the 25 pick to get crabbe or someone else that we can develop. Draft done. we win.

TheThinkingSomething
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We don't need draft picks. This is a bad deal with or without the pick. Why is "rebuilding mode" so alluring?

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get the 2nd pick draft McLemore he fits in perfectly!!

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I think Afflalo could be an All Star playing with CP3.He can defend and spread the floor better than anyone else we have.He is a great 3rd option behind CP3 and Griffin.But I would wait to see what else we could get.First we need a coach and to resign CP3.Then if nothing better is available by that time I would take Afflalo but Olando would have to throw in a future 1st rounder.

Then I would pair DJ and that future first rounder and try to get Gortat.Since the Suns are rebuilding they might take that deal but moving DJ might be really hard to do without Bledsoe.Same thing with Caron.Best we could probably get for Caron is Ariza if he opts to stay with the Wizards.Besides that I don't think a lot of teams would jump to trade for Butler.

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Orlando fans seem really eager for this trade. They seem more than willing to throw in Nicholson if if it closes the deal. He's an extra piece I guess now based on their roster with the rise of Harris.

Bledsoe + Butler for Afflalo + Nicholson

AirGriffin
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Bledsoe & Butler for Affalo and Nicholson is goooooooood.

Unless there are better trades, the Clippers shouldn't hesitate to accept such an offer.

Jerediscool
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Its not rebuilding bro, its reloading and making sure that you always have talent to compete and dont fizzle out in 5 years when our current stars are done.

Mavs won and then fell off the face of the earth bc everyone on their team was old and realized that and bailed to find the next shot leaving only their star behind who can't carry a team by himself.

Every 3-5 years you have to hit on won of these lottery type guys (like we did with bledsoe) so you are able to trade them for talent and more picks down the road while staying competitive. Dont just build for next season, build for every season. Sustainable Basketball Management.

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Me too. I'm intriqued by Afflalo (especially since he torched us pretty good in at least one of the games this season), but the EJ/Lopez rumor benefits us much more so.

TheThinkingSomething
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Two primed superstars and the bright lights (and endorsement deals) of L.A. should be sufficient gravity to lure the players we need here. Use draft picks as currency, not as projects. This is how the Lakers have done it for years and we only need to be better or more exciting than them for a few more years to create a new generation of fans that has always known the Clippers as the premier basketball franchise in LA.

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Its good for bringing in good role players but we can't afford to sign anymore star players. from here on out we need to be trying to grow them or trade for them while still signing and bringing in the good role player types.

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Either way, we need Bled's trade value to move DJ's awful contract. For that alone I say no, or at least not right now.

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^totally agree! and if we can't get a proven stud for him now then its better to get some picks for him and solid role guys like afflalo

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Repped cj! Couldn't have said it any better. Don't think anyone even wants afflalo much, especially not the magic

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Agree any rumor that is out right now makes no sense. We will not trade bled until cup resigns. Plus bledsoe alone will bring in better talent then afglalo. Also butlers expiring deal is a huge piece that trade makes no sense on our side. Some big changes are going to happen and I can't wait

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The more I think of it , the only way this trade makes sense is if they swap 1 rd picks.

Bledsoe/Butler/25th pick for Afflalo/ 2nd pick. I think Otto Porter will turn out to be a player similar to Tayshaun Prince. Paul/Griffin/Porter would be nice. I also think we need a scoring big off the bench.Earl Clark would be NICE.

CP3/ Chauncey/Wayns

Afflalo/ Crawford/Green

Pierce/Porter

Griffin/Clark

DJ/Jermaine Onea'l

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The more I look at his stats, the more I like Mike Dunleavy Jr. If we could sign him for the minimum it would be sneaky and smart, and a much better decision than trading Butler and Bledsoe for Afflalo. Among shooting guards, he is 7th in rebounds per 48 minutes, while Afflalo is not in the top 30. Dunleavy and Afflalo are virtually identical in terms of scoring per 48 minutes, both in between the 15th and 20th best in the league at the 2 guard spot, even though Afflalo was asked to be the top scorer in Orlando. Afflalo shot 30% from three point range, while Dunleavy shot 43%. They both shot over 82% from the free throw line. Dunleavy blocked shots at the 7th highest pace among shooting guards, while Afflalo was nowhere near. Dunleavy has a higher steals per 48 minutes than Afflalo. Per 48 minutes, Afflalo turned the ball over almost 1 more time more than Dunleavy per game. Dunleavy just edges out Afflalo in field goal percentage and PER rating. Afflalo makes over $7 million, while Dunleavy might be signed for the minimum. Before we trade Bledsoe and Butler for an overrated shooting guard "of the future," we ought to take some time to think. Maybe Dunleavy is not the right guy, but he is certainly a better option than Afflalo. We ought to either sign Dunleavy for the minimum or look for trades elsewhere, besides for Afflalo.

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Honestly any and every move is irrelevant until we have a coach. Also, the coach needs a 4-5 year deal.

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Bledsoe is too good to trade for Afflalo. Ariza is better than Aflfalo and the Clips can trade for Ariza and still have Bledsoe as a trade chip. Just makes much more sense to do that as you get more value for your players.

Butler + 25th for Ariza + 2nd round pick means you still have Bledsoe to package in another trade, maybe for a lottery pick, maybe with DJ to the Celtics for KG and another player or their 16th pick.

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unfortunately dunleavy is injury prone, and the fact the clips did not end on good terms with his father doesn't help matters. but i agree on dunleavy jr being a good option. it wouldnt cost us much. gerald henderson would be a good option to look at as well.

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No need to include any picks. Butler for Ariza can get done straight up.

If Pierce leaves I think DJ+2nd round pick for Garnett.

Francisco Garcia and Stephen Jackson would be good options if Barnes signs elsewhere.

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Guys guys guys. We can always move Bledsoe sans problems. Forget Affalo or draft picks. If any trade doesn't include DJ don't under any circumstances do it. Our only player anybody wants is EB. He has to go anyway because according to Billups' sideways comment he' not been developed. He can't develop by playing 1 minute 13 sec with Paul. Butler is a servicable bench player with an expiring contract. DJ ARGUABLY is a reason we lost to Memphis. Gasol torched him. Nobody wants DJ without a kicker -- read Bledsoe.

DJ will never get better. If Bill Russell, Kareem, Hakeem or the ghost of George Mikan coached him he would still be garbage. 36% FT shooting. BG et all had to get into his shorts to motivate him. He has no heart.

No trade that doesn't include DJ. Our team will be better.

KMart will never come here and why should KG? We need a young center or alt least not a dinosaur (sort of)

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There is almost NOTHING that Ariza does better than Afflalo. He's not a better shooter, or scorer. He might be a better defender due to his size and length, but overall Afflalo is an infinitely better fit than Ariza.

I like the Bledsoe and Butler trade for Afflalo trade, but only if they throw in Harris or Moore, or a future first round pick.

Trading Butler for nothing is down right disrespectful and foolish in my opinion. While he may not be the ideal starter at SF, he still has plenty to offer and shouldn't be regarded simply as trade fodder. I'd hate to lose 2 guys who've done so much for this franchise for a single guy who's not an all-start caliber player. That's just me of course.

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Keatonsays wrote:
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Bledsoe is too good to trade for Afflalo. Ariza is better than Aflfalo and the Clips can trade for Ariza and still have Bledsoe as a trade chip. Just makes much more sense to do that as you get more value for your players.

Butler + 25th for Ariza + 2nd round pick means you still have Bledsoe to package in another trade, maybe for a lottery pick, maybe with DJ to the Celtics for KG and another player or their 16th pick.

There is almost NOTHING that Ariza does better than Afflalo. He's not a better shooter, or scorer. He might be a better defender due to his size and length, but overall Afflalo is an infinitely better fit than Ariza.

I like the Bledsoe and Butler trade for Afflalo trade, but only if they throw in Harris or Moore, or a future first round pick.

Trading Butler for nothing is down right disrespectful and foolish in my opinion. While he may not be the ideal starter at SF, he still has plenty to offer and shouldn't be regarded simply as trade fodder. I'd hate to lose 2 guys who've done so much for this franchise for a single guy who's not an all-start caliber player. That's just me of course.

Ariza is a much better defender, finisher and a champion. Afflalo is a better scorer (Jamal Crawford is already on the team mind you), and I'm not sure he's played more than a handful of playoff games in his career.

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Keatonsays wrote:
Agent0 wrote:
Bledsoe is too good to trade for Afflalo. Ariza is better than Aflfalo and the Clips can trade for Ariza and still have Bledsoe as a trade chip. Just makes much more sense to do that as you get more value for your players.

Butler + 25th for Ariza + 2nd round pick means you still have Bledsoe to package in another trade, maybe for a lottery pick, maybe with DJ to the Celtics for KG and another player or their 16th pick.

There is almost NOTHING that Ariza does better than Afflalo. He's not a better shooter, or scorer. He might be a better defender due to his size and length, but overall Afflalo is an infinitely better fit than Ariza.

I like the Bledsoe and Butler trade for Afflalo trade, but only if they throw in Harris or Moore, or a future first round pick.

Trading Butler for nothing is down right disrespectful and foolish in my opinion. While he may not be the ideal starter at SF, he still has plenty to offer and shouldn't be regarded simply as trade fodder. I'd hate to lose 2 guys who've done so much for this franchise for a single guy who's not an all-start caliber player. That's just me of course.

Ariza is way better than Afflalo defensively. Its not even debatable. Look at any metric or just watch both of them play and you can see that. Ariza is a great wing defender while Afflalo is average at best. He also averages about 3 more rebounds than Afflalo per 36....

Now that I think about it I would not do the Afflalo trade either. Orlando has to add another prospect or a pick or two. Afflalo is better than Butler but the difference isn't even close to Bledsoe.

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Ariza is way too inconsistent with his shot, he likes to chuck threes sometimes. His defense and energy is good. He's a nice role player to have.

Afflalo is a more consistent contributor. He struggled with his efficiency last year because he was asked to be one of the catalysts on offense which was never his role.

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After that law case between the Clippers and his father, no way in hell he comes here unless you blow him away with the money.

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I'd take Ariza as a replacement for Barnes, if we can't re-sign him. Ariza could probably be had for the mini-mid.

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When the Magic offer Afflalo for Butler straight up we can make than kind of comparison. That is what the Wizards offered us. I never said Afflalo was worse than Ariza.

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When the Magic offer Afflalo for Butler straight up we can make than kind of comparison. The Wizards offered us Ariza for Butler. I never said Afflalo was worse than Ariza.

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is he a free agent?

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My bad I thought Ariza was a FA. Never knew they were offering him for Caron.

I f we can get pierce for the MLE and cannot afford Barnes, I would consider a Butler for Ariza swap.

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I would do a Bulter and out first for Afflalo. No way I give up Bledsoe.

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I still like the EJ and lopez for EB and DJ rumor better.

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I don't know if this team would win if we traded for Michael Jordan. We need to get rid of DJ, we can have all the skill in the world, we'll turn into a jump shooting team and get annihilated in the paint in the playoffs.

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They would never do a first round pick most people in here must be smoking something awesome lol, Bledose + Butler for Affalo + Tobias is as fair as it gets and we get a young decent small forward who can put up some numbers.

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Hahaha dude, Tobias Harris is as untouchable as any player on their team. Your scenario is 10x as unlikely as the ones that include the pick.

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CapsNClips wrote:
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They would never do a first round pick most people in here must be smoking something awesome lol, Bledose + Butler for Affalo + Tobias is as fair as it gets and we get a young decent small forward who can put up some numbers.

Hahaha dude, Tobias Harris is as untouchable as any player on their team. Your scenario is 10x as unlikely as the ones that include the pick.

their pick is valuable because I perosnally think it's a more valauble trade chip and could potentially have more value than Harris for years to come lol, it's more fair IMO than to get a first round pick

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Harris went to high school in my neighborhood. You could tell then he was going to be a special player. I'm surprised the Bucks traded that kid

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How about Bledsoe for Harris straight up? I wonder if they would do that?

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Keatonsays wrote:
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Bledsoe is too good to trade for Afflalo. Ariza is better than Aflfalo and the Clips can trade for Ariza and still have Bledsoe as a trade chip. Just makes much more sense to do that as you get more value for your players.

Butler + 25th for Ariza + 2nd round pick means you still have Bledsoe to package in another trade, maybe for a lottery pick, maybe with DJ to the Celtics for KG and another player or their 16th pick.

There is almost NOTHING that Ariza does better than Afflalo. He's not a better shooter, or scorer. He might be a better defender due to his size and length, but overall Afflalo is an infinitely better fit than Ariza.

I like the Bledsoe and Butler trade for Afflalo trade, but only if they throw in Harris or Moore, or a future first round pick.

Trading Butler for nothing is down right disrespectful and foolish in my opinion. While he may not be the ideal starter at SF, he still has plenty to offer and shouldn't be regarded simply as trade fodder. I'd hate to lose 2 guys who've done so much for this franchise for a single guy who's not an all-start caliber player. That's just me of course.

Defend, rebound, produce similarly in the regular season and post-season as opposed to being terrible in the post-season, a better passer as a SF even though being compared to a SG, at worst equal, and handle similarly though neither guy is anything special there.

Also when Afflalo had a bigger role offensively in Denver, his defense was not very good, and at his best he's above average, Ariza is good. The real question is what does Afflalo do better except for shoot and score? Afflalo isn't worth Bledsoe or being locked to him for 3 more seasons at $7.5M+. Ariza expires and since potential is gone now probably will be worth less on his next contract.

Since his "breakout" season in 10-11.

Afflalo regular season | post season:

10-11: .620 TS%, 42.3% 3PT | .453 TS%, 25% 3PT

11-12: .584 TS%, 39.8% 3PT | .471 TS%, 20% 3PT

Afflalo career playoffs: .520 TS%, 25.9% 3PT

Trevor Ariza career playoffs: .561 TS%, 44.0% 3PT

The 23 games with the Lakers where he was on fire skew the numbers, but even in New Orleans after being forced to be the 2nd option in the playoffs because West got injured, he was better than Afflalo:

.491 TS%, 33.3% 3PT

Those are not good numbers, yet 3rd/4th option Afflalo was able to do worse as a Nugget with a better team.

Now I'm not saying Afflalo will shoot poorly in the post-season as a Clipper, but it certainly isn't encouraging to look at those numbers. And he was on a team that was getting him shots, it's not like he had to create everything (not the first time, the second time he did more creating).

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Orlando wouldn't do it, they need their forwards more than a PG, plus they can draft Burke.

Obviously all of us Clipper fans would totally do this.

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