Rumor: Eric Bledsoe & Caron Butler for Arron Afflalo (P. 8)

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tense2
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Let's see, our new coach, who's one of the BEST in the NBA saids he wants to keep Bledsoe and some of our fan base thinks that's not what we should do...hmmm, wonder who has the better insight here, lol.

For those people, I say....don't quit your day jobs. Razz

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I could be wrong but didn't Doc say he wanted Bledsoe to stay?

Let's see, our new coach, who's one of the BEST in the NBA saids he wants to keep Bledsoe and some of our fan base thinks that's not what we should do...hmmm, wonder who has the better insight here, lol.

For those people, I say....don't quit your day jobs. Razz

Exactly, we can try him out at SG till February and if it doesn't workout we can still trade him.

And since he'll be a RFA his price tag will be around the same.

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If Doc convinces Chris Paul to keep Bledsoe than the first rounder we traded will be worth it.

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If Doc tells Paul he's going to keep him, Chris will be find with it, is more like it.

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I was being sarcastic, i think all the rumors about Crhis Paul demanding things are overblown.

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His value will be significantly less at the deadline because he can't be extended (Halloween is the extension deadline), teams want to acquire him now because they can extend him with no competition.

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Exactly, we can try him out at SG till February and if it doesn't workout we can still trade him.

And since he'll be a RFA his price tag will be around the same.

His value will be significantly less at the deadline because he can't be extended (Halloween is the extension deadline), teams want to acquire him now because they can extend him with no competition.

Don't think that matters as I don't see Eric accepting an extension. IMO, he'll want to test the RFA market.

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Oops, didn't recognize the sarcasm flag, lol. I agree on all the rumors being way overblown.

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Exactly, we can try him out at SG till February and if it doesn't workout we can still trade him.

And since he'll be a RFA his price tag will be around the same.

His value will be significantly less at the deadline because he can't be extended (Halloween is the extension deadline), teams want to acquire him now because they can extend him with no competition.

Don't think that matters as I don't see Eric accepting an extension. IMO, he'll want to test the RFA market.

Then teams want the ability to match, rather than having to make him a 4/40+ offer sheet and cross your fingers that the Clippers don't match(which they probably won't).

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IF Bled plays the way Doc and a lot of people think he can, then I hope we do sign him. He be worth it.

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Afflalo is making $7.5M the next 3 years. Would Bledsoe take this contract extension?

I really like Bledsoe and giving up Caron's expiring will be tough unless we can get either Vucevic or Harris.

Maybe DJ/Bledsoe for Afflalo/Vucevic/#1 pick. And then we can just let Caron's deal end or trade him for a long-term starting SF.

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If Orlando is actually shopping the #2 pick like Woj said, then I'd love to do Bledsoe and Caron for Big Baby and the #2 pick.

Draft either Otto Porter or Oladipo

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Use the extra 1st to trade up if Shabazz slides further enough. I think he'll become a very good pro. Sign Pierce MLE and have a 3 Man wing rotation with Afflalo-Pierce-Shabazz, sign a vet as the 4th wing. He could develop into that third option we need.

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Oh and give them our #25. Forgot to mention that.

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Woj also tweeted that Clips and Blazers talked about DJ prior to Doc hiring but Portland's interest and DJ's market value unclear right now.

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Shabazz, the bench player. To much of a risk. Next.

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CapsNClips wrote:
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If Orlando is actually shopping the #2 pick like Woj said, then I'd love to do Bledsoe and Caron for Big Baby and the #2 pick.

Draft either Otto Porter or Oladipo

Oh and give them our #25. Forgot to mention that.

I was thinking about this all day yesterday.I would go after Porter over Oladipo.Oladipo is a great hustle player but I think Porter would be a perfect fit with Blake and CP3.If I was our FO I would push for this.

The package of Bledsoe,Butler's expiring contract,and our 25th pick could be enough to interest Orlando.This draft is said to be "weak" and not have many if any superstars.Which is perceft for us.We don't need another superstar,we need a good complimentary player and that is exactly what Porter is.

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^Both are aces in this years draft, but I'd choose Victor O.

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I like Olidipo but he isn't a consistent shooter.He reminds me a little of Bledsoe actually which is why I think a lot of people like him.But honestly we need a good floor spacer and defender which is what Porter is.

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^Both are aces in this years draft, but I'd choose Victor O.
I like Olidipo but he isn't a consistent shooter.He reminds me a little of Bledsoe actually which is why I think a lot of people like him.But honestly we need a good floor spacer and defender which is what Porter is.

Victor is going to be a fine shooter, just like I think Bled will be and was last year.

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@JohnDenton555: #Magic GM Hennigan said he hasn't had discussions with #Clippers in 3 weeks. Said he "hasn't gotten the memo" about Afflalo-Bledsoe deal.

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i think that's a lie.

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I doubt Magic would shop the second pick trading with us. If theyre that dumb, Otto Porter should be the only guy we take, because to me is the most ready NBA prospect.

And please, dont mention Vucevic or Harris on this thread anymore.

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Hey Marko, where in Buenos Aires are you located. Spend time down there vacationing for about a month in 2007/08. Loved it it there, great people, great food, pretty ladies who get paranoid if there larger than a size 6. Have to get back down there, miss it.

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@Tense2, Im from Floresta, west part of the city. But as many others, I work and go to college near the Med school zone, so we spend a lot of time near Downtown. Glad youve enjoyed your time here. People who are fluent in english are always very fond and excited to talk with visitors. Its a cool experience. Hopefully in a couple of years it will be my turn to know America.

With Docs press conference, do you guys think this trade is going down?

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Hope you make it up soon, maybe we can meet up and take in a Clipper game together.

My best guess if there is a trade coming, our 1st rounder, Caron and maybe Bledsoe. We'll have to wait and see

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Not really a dumb trade because if you look at Bledsoe Per 36 Minutes he probably would gives you more than any rookie in this draft would.His stat line is 15 ppg,5 assist,5 rebounds,2 steals,and 1 block a game while shooting 44 FG%,39% from three point line,and 79% from the free throw line.He is only 23 and has the potential to be an elite defender.

You pair Bledsoe up with Butler's expiring contract and our 25th pick,I think Orlando would have to at least consider it since this draft isn't that good and they can get Big Baby's contract off the books.Affalo isn't bad but he has likely got as good as he's gonna get while Bledsoe is still improving.I hope our FO try's to get the most for Bledsoe.

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Andrew818 wrote:
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I doubt Magic would shop the second pick trading with us. If theyre that dumb, Otto Porter should be the only guy we take, because to me is the most ready NBA prospect.

And please, dont mention Vucevic or Harris on this thread anymore.

Not really a dumb trade because if you look at Bledsoe Per 36 Minutes he probably would gives you more than any rookie in this draft would.His stat line is 15 ppg,5 assist,5 rebounds,2 steals,and 1 block a game while shooting 44 FG%,39% from three point line,and 79% from the free throw line.He is only 23 and has the potential to be an elite defender.

You pair Bledsoe up with Butler's expiring contract and our 25th pick,I think Orlando would have to at least consider it since this draft isn't that good and they can get Big Baby's contract off the books.Affalo isn't bad but he has likely got as good as he's gonna get while Bledsoe is still improving.I hope our FO try's to get the most for Bledsoe.

Afflalo is GOOD. He played on a crap team where he had to be the dominant scorer. He never played with a real point guard like Paul. Afflalo is just hitting his prime. He WILL continue to improve under Rivers as coach and CP3. Getting a pick as well with Nicholson, seems to be getting a decent amount in return for Bledsoe who is such a limited point guard offensively. his shot selection is so limited. I rather have a point guard play great offense, than be really good defensively.

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^Think IF Bledsoe is not traded, he's given the chance to play with Paul as a SG.

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How though?

He's 6'1 and doesn't have what it takes to space the floor efficiently and be a real threat. Did you happen to see the Finals?

Lebron was contested and almost encouraged to shoot jumpers and make them. He is only better than average and look how many times he missed. Bledsoe is a poor man's LJ when it comes to perimeter and 3 point shooting. Do you think he has the consistency to make enough shots to get us to the Finals, honestly? I don't think so.

Look at the Spurs, Heat, and Warriors. Excellent perimeter and 3 point shooting. Bledsoe being an athletic 6'1 guard won't take us deep in the playoffs. Athleticism disappears in the playoffs. It didn't work for Bledsoe, or DJ. Duncan isn't athletic at all, and he's amazing. Thats why maybe I dislike Bledsoe and DJ so much, they rely far too much on their athletic abilities. Lob City won't win a title. We need pure shooting skill, Afflalo gives us that.

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^Think IF Bledsoe is not traded, he's given the chance to play with Paul as a SG.

How though?

He's 6'1 and doesn't have what it takes to space the floor efficiently and be a real threat. Did you happen to see the Finals?

Lebron was contested and almost encouraged to shoot jumpers and make them. He is only better than average and look how many times he missed. Bledsoe is a poor man's LJ when it comes to perimeter and 3 point shooting. Do you think he has the consistency to make enough shots to get us to the Finals, honestly? I don't think so.

Look at the Spurs, Heat, and Warriors. Excellent perimeter and 3 point shooting. Bledsoe being an athletic 6'1 guard won't take us deep in the playoffs. Athleticism disappears in the playoffs. It didn't work for Bledsoe, or DJ. Duncan isn't athletic at all, and he's amazing. Thats why maybe I dislike Bledsoe and DJ so much, they rely far too much on their athletic abilities. Lob City won't win a title. We need pure shooting skill, Afflalo gives us that.

No one knows how good Bledsoe will turn out to be, but IF Doc see's him playing here and at he sg slot...no offense, but I think I'll go with his insight over yours even if he is only 6'-1". Very Happy

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Lol fair enough, but just like Rivers, me and you have eyes too. We can easily see how Bledsoe plays ourselves. It's not like it's not fact that the man can barely hit a consistent perimeter jump shot and he is offensively limited. Wink

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AirGriffin wrote:
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^Think IF Bledsoe is not traded, he's given the chance to play with Paul as a SG.

How though?

He's 6'1 and doesn't have what it takes to space the floor efficiently and be a real threat. Did you happen to see the Finals?

Lebron was contested and almost encouraged to shoot jumpers and make them. He is only better than average and look how many times he missed. Bledsoe is a poor man's LJ when it comes to perimeter and 3 point shooting. Do you think he has the consistency to make enough shots to get us to the Finals, honestly? I don't think so.

Look at the Spurs, Heat, and Warriors. Excellent perimeter and 3 point shooting. Bledsoe being an athletic 6'1 guard won't take us deep in the playoffs. Athleticism disappears in the playoffs. It didn't work for Bledsoe, or DJ. Duncan isn't athletic at all, and he's amazing. Thats why maybe I dislike Bledsoe and DJ so much, they rely far too much on their athletic abilities. Lob City won't win a title. We need pure shooting skill, Afflalo gives us that.

ye, and look who ended up winning it all. Bled isn't a sharp shooter, but he's a developing shooter. He cuts, he slashes, he makes every possible energy play. he plays great defense.

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HAHA because it's Lebron. He's 6'8 and is twice the finisher and passer that Bledsoe is. He's surrounded by 3 point shooting Gods and 2 all stars. And remember Game 6? Very Happy

Lebron barely made it. Good for him though.

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Again, I"ll take Doc's "eyes" over a CTB fan every time. He might end up being wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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hey, he still made it. and Bledsoe won't be the first option on this team like lebron is on his. he won't even be the second option. third AT BEST

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clipperstown wrote:
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HAHA because it's Lebron. He's 6'8 and is twice the finisher and passer that Bledsoe is. He's surrounded by 3 point shooting Gods and 2 all stars. And remember Game 6? Very Happy

Lebron barely made it. Good for him though.

hey, he still made it. and Bledsoe won't be the first option on this team like lebron is on his. he won't even be the second option. third AT BEST

If he's the 3rd option, imagine how good he turned out to be. Take that every time.

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clipperstown wrote:
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HAHA because it's Lebron. He's 6'8 and is twice the finisher and passer that Bledsoe is. He's surrounded by 3 point shooting Gods and 2 all stars. And remember Game 6? Very Happy

Lebron barely made it. Good for him though.

hey, he still made it. and Bledsoe won't be the first option on this team like lebron is on his. he won't even be the second option. third AT BEST

Afflalo will be the third option FOR SURE. That's why this is a good trade. He fills in some Clipper weaknesses. 3 scoring, perimeter scoring, and perimeter defense. Who else do we have hitting a lot of perimeter jumpers? Green, Barnes, Butler, Bledsoe? None of them really do squat if you look closely. This is why our half court sucks so bad in many eyes. Although it is pretty good ONLY because we have CP orchestrating his slow tempo half court game and with the help of Griffin. Crawford comes off bench so he really isn't helping solve the puzzle. Barnes is very limited offensively too, very streaky 3 point shooter. Where does Bledsoe fill a need on this team besides his defense? Afflalo plays just as good as defense and is 4 inches taller and helps the Clips' weaknesses.

Players like Barnes, Bledsoe, Tony Allen, etc. are great defensively but when you have a lot of good defensive players like this, where does the versatility and help on offense come from?

Exactly why Grizzlies failed. Awesome defense, bad offense.

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AirGriffin wrote:
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HAHA because it's Lebron. He's 6'8 and is twice the finisher and passer that Bledsoe is. He's surrounded by 3 point shooting Gods and 2 all stars. And remember Game 6? Very Happy

Lebron barely made it. Good for him though.

hey, he still made it. and Bledsoe won't be the first option on this team like lebron is on his. he won't even be the second option. third AT BEST

Afflalo will be the third option FOR SURE. That's why this is a good trade. He fills in some Clipper weaknesses. 3 scoring, perimeter scoring, and perimeter defense. Who else do we have hitting a lot of perimeter jumpers? Green, Barnes, Butler, Bledsoe? None of them really do squat if you look closely. This is why our half court sucks so bad in many eyes. Although it is pretty good ONLY because we have CP orchestrating his slow tempo half court game and with the help of Griffin. Crawford comes off bench so he really isn't helping solve the puzzle. Barnes is very limited offensively too, very streaky 3 point shooter. Where does Bledsoe fill a need on this team besides his defense? Afflalo plays just as good as defense and is 4 inches taller and helps the Clips' weaknesses.

Players like Barnes, Bledsoe, Tony Allen, etc. are great defensively but when you have a lot of good defensive players like this, where does the versatility and help on offense come from?

Exactly why Grizzlies failed. Awesome defense, bad offense.

I have to go with AirGriffin on this. 3 point shooting will help us big time. Just look at how fluid SA moves the ball, thats because of the all space their shooter creates. What about us? We have no shooters except for Caron, who's really inconsistent. Jamal comes off the bench so he doesn't count. Btw that LeBron and Bled comparison is dumb. James is their superstar, Bled is just our role player. What do role players do? they fill the needs of their team, and Bledsoe won't address our 3 point shooting problem.

How about we look at this way. LBJ = CP and Griffin. Since Lebron is not really a 3 point threat, they got him shooters like Ray Allen, Mike Miller and Shane Battier to fill their team's hole. Look what happened after that, LBJ, Bosh, and Wade, who are mainly inside scorers, were having easier time playing their game, because of the all space.

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Caron just tweeted: "Ok"

That's all he said. Does that mean he got informed he's getting traded? I'm probably over thinking it, Lol

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I guess so, but remember when he tweeted "I'm ready for whatever" and nothing happened lol

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lol i was just thinking the same

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I think you bring up a very good point. We fans have seen Bledsoe play all year round, more so than Rivers has. I just got done watching his press conference and two things he said really stuck out.

#1: "i don't know our group yet, i know em from the outside but i don't know them from the inside yet"-Doc Rivers.

http://www.foxsportswest.com/stream

To me this is a very crucial revalation. As fans and daily observers of this team we know Bledsoe cannot shoot, we know he turns the ball over. Does Rivers know this version of Bledsoe, or does he only know the version that scored 23 points, logged 10 assists, and nabbed 7 rebounds on 2/3/13 against his celtics. I think perhaps his wanting to keep bledsoe is heavily biased on the last impression that was left, which is not always the most accurate or complete.

As a coach having to watch video of over 30 teams in a given season we cannot assume Doc is well acquanited with Bledsoe, so in this situation AirGriffin, you are right for not completely trusting Docs' decision for wanting to keep Bledsoe. In fact, unitl he loggs a full season i think the FO (Roeser and Sacks) should handle the trades, as they seem to have our needs figured out (by wanting to trade DJ for KG and Bledsoe for Afflalo) better than Doc does. While i respect Docs coaching ability he doesn't know this team yet, and i don't want him having too much impout on trades just yet.

Another thing that stuck out to me that Doc said was this:

"Every team in the NBA is saying we need shooting, we need shooting, and I'm echoing we need shooting"-Doc Rivers

http://www.foxsportswest.com/stream

This is very telling as well because our biggest deficiencies were the center and lack of wing play. Despite his reluctance to trade Bledsoe, Doc knows the value of shooting in today's NBA, and if this is the case he will eventually chime in for players that can fit this mold. Bledsoe is essentially the best piece to deal to get these shooters.

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tense2 wrote:
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HAHA because it's Lebron. He's 6'8 and is twice the finisher and passer that Bledsoe is. He's surrounded by 3 point shooting Gods and 2 all stars. And remember Game 6? Very Happy

Lebron barely made it. Good for him though.

hey, he still made it. and Bledsoe won't be the first option on this team like lebron is on his. he won't even be the second option. third AT BEST

If he's the 3rd option, imagine how good he turned out to be. Take that every time.

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clipperstown wrote:
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HAHA because it's Lebron. He's 6'8 and is twice the finisher and passer that Bledsoe is. He's surrounded by 3 point shooting Gods and 2 all stars. And remember Game 6? Very Happy

Lebron barely made it. Good for him though.

hey, he still made it. and Bledsoe won't be the first option on this team like lebron is on his. he won't even be the second option. third AT BEST

Bledsoe and Paul do play very well on the floor together. I had been begging for vinny to do that more. I think his shot will continue to develop and having two floor generals who are complementary can really be deadly when it comes to moving the ball

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Lol fair enough, but just like Rivers, me and you have eyes too. We can easily see how Bledsoe plays ourselves. It's not like it's not fact that the man can barely hit a consistent perimeter jump shot and he is offensively limited. Wink

I think you bring up a very good point. We fans have seen Bledsoe play all year round, more so than Rivers has. I just got done watching his press conference and two things he said really stuck out.

#1: "i don't know our group yet, i know em from the outside but i don't know them from the inside yet"-Doc Rivers.

http://www.foxsportswest.com/stream

To me this is a very crucial revalation. As fans and daily observers of this team we know Bledsoe cannot shoot, we know he turns the ball over. Does Rivers know this version of Bledsoe, or does he only know the version that scored 23 points, logged 10 assists, and nabbed 7 rebounds on 2/3/13 against his celtics. I think perhaps his wanting to keep bledsoe is heavily biased on the last impression that was left, which is not always the most accurate or complete.

As a coach having to watch video of over 30 teams in a given season we cannot assume Doc is well acquanited with Bledsoe, so in this situation AirGriffin, you are right for not completely trusting Docs' decision for wanting to keep Bledsoe. In fact, unitl he loggs a full season i think the FO (Roeser and Sacks) should handle the trades, as they seem to have our needs figured out (by wanting to trade DJ for KG and Bledsoe for Afflalo) better than Doc does. While i respect Docs coaching ability he doesn't know this team yet, and i don't want him having too much impout on trades just yet.

Another thing that stuck out to me that Doc said was this:

"Every team in the NBA is saying we need shooting, we need shooting, and I'm echoing we need shooting"-Doc Rivers

http://www.foxsportswest.com/stream

This is very telling as well because our biggest deficiencies were the center and lack of wing play. Despite his reluctance to trade Bledsoe, Doc knows the value of shooting in today's NBA, and if this is the case he will eventually chime in for players that can fit this mold. Bledsoe is essentially the best piece to deal to get these shooters.

Funny enough the best guy to contact about the strengths and weaknesses of this team would be VDN, the second best outside of the former assistant coaches would be Lionel Hollins.

I'm not sure Bledsoe needs to be moved to acquire shooters though, that can be done while keeping Bledsoe. I think it's time to go back to a Butler for Frye trade, which Phoenix would do because it gets them off a year of Frye's contract. He can be the main backup big man and gives you shooting and adequate size.

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Carons expiring contract will help, but there needs to be wing additions too not just a back up big man. For the wings its gonna take Bledsoe to do it. But you raise a good point, and if the FO can manage to get a player in return for CAron, excellent. But i think most clubs are wise to our assets they will want Bledsoe.

As for Frye i was very impressed with his offensive numbers that 09-10 season was pretty good. if we get him i hope he can duplicate that

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Hope so.

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Saw that too haha...

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I wonder if pierce get bought out and then he signed with the clippers. Then Boston said we want ebled n Caron for kg, I wonder if the league can stop it

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