Rumor: Eric Bledsoe & Caron Butler for Arron Afflalo (P. 9)

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Musician391
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I thought the Clips and Celtics can't trade with each other until the end of the next season.

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I like frye too, if we could get him for butler straight up I would do it (which I always hate sending a player like him to a rebuilding team like phoenix but it's for the team). You could get f. Garcia who is a good shooter and defender in the similar mold as afflalo. chase buddinger would work for me at the three with barnes unless there was some crazy way we could convince Dunleavy jr to come here (I mean at least his dad could come to all the games).

Maybe work a trade that could get us Vince Carter, I know he is old but he is a good shooter and could fill either 3 or 4 role for us he almost had 3 three pointers made per 36 and shot .406 per 36 from 3. Plus we know dallas wants bled, so maybe we can get vc and something else. This is if we got frye for butler. Then we could address SG through free agency.

I'd also like to try to get Brandon rush here, I think he fits very well. Last year he was putting up good numbers and I bet he would like to play gsw four times a year. Then sign Wayne Ellington or someone else who is a decent shooter.

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Musician391 wrote:
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I wonder if pierce get bought out and then he signed with the clippers. Then Boston said we want ebled n Caron for kg, I wonder if the league can stop it

I thought the Clips and Celtics can't trade with each other until the end of the next season.

they can't

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Musician391 wrote:
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I wonder if pierce get bought out and then he signed with the clippers. Then Boston said we want ebled n Caron for kg, I wonder if the league can stop it

I thought the Clips and Celtics can't trade with each other until the end of the next season.

they can't

How could that be considered a trade? There is no transaction between the teams. Unless they consider it a "wink-wink" waiver deal or something, I'd say it would be 10x more obvious that Pierce just wanted to play with Doc.

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League won't stop Pierce from signing as free agent with us. Remember he wasn't even in trade proposal anyways so would be incredibly unfair.

AirGriffin
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Yup. Contract said any "deal" or "trade" so I don't see this possibly being vetoed if he is a free agent. If somehow it is, Stern probably has a very lonely dark life ahead of him lol

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@SpearsNBAYahoo: Clippers aren't expected to trade G Erick Bledsoe tonight despite interest from the Raptors, Pistons, Hornets, Magic & Mavs, sources tell Y!

Wow that is a lot of teams with a lot of good assets. P.S. spell his f*cking name right dude.

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@stevekylerNBA: Nothing is over till its over but Magic never seemed like they were getting Bledsoe, Had real interest but Clips never really engaged

@stevekylerNBA: Was told Tuesday that it seemed like Clips used Magic to try and drum up serious offers... Doc Rivers saying he wants Bled on the roster

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Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 1h

Clippers aren't expected to trade Eric Bledsoe tonight despite interest from the Raptors, Pistons, Pelicans, Magic and Mavs, sources tell Y!

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 1h

Keep in mind that new Clippers president & coach Doc Rivers is a fan of Eric Bledsoe's.

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Magic selected Oladipo at #2... does that make Afflalo expendable?!?

tense2
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Great pick by the Magic and yes Afflalo going somewhere. Butler for Afflalo?

LotsoHope
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^ The Clippers clearly believe Bled for AA is too high a price, given what's been tweeted so far. I'd do Butler for AA straight up but that deal isn't too great for Orlando aside from an expiring in 2014.

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Thats what they want, cause you can turn him around in another trade or keep him for the expiring contract.

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I would love a butler Bledsoe for derozan deal..wonder what the pistons and pelicans were offering

Clippersfan86
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Funny you say that. I was thinking about a Bledsoe for Derozan swap today too.

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Derozan is a overpaid averagish player at best. Even Raptors fans consider him overpaid and didn't want him signed to such a huge contract.

Someone explain to me what about him is remotely decent?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... zde01.html

Terrible defender, ball dominant, inefficient. Basically has 0 strengths but a lot of weaknesses and he is overpaid. Well he is athletic I guess but he can't shoot for crap. We already have enough athletic guys who can't do much else but run and jump.

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Pelicans are DEFINITELY out of the Bledsoe Sweepstakes

Mavs selected Larkin, but my money is that theyd try to land Jennings.

Raptors....they have Lowry, so im not sure why they would want Bledsoe. Anyway, Id like to get Terrence Ross, if possible. But most likely DeRozan could be part of a trade.

Pistons...Knight, and KCP. Calderon is gone, so it makes sense they could want bled (Although they would like a pass first guard, imho). Drummond is untradeable, and thats the only player Id only consider in that roster. Not sure what kind of package they can offer that can be good for us.

Magic...we already know. After Draft day, Id only take the afflalo and nicholson deal if nothing better is available.

Actually, the impact player that we can get without recurring to FA...(to make our own big 3) would be Danny Granger. Bled can help us to get I'm. The pacers drafted a sf and a c, and Bledsoe isnt worse than George Hill. And would fit nicely there. So kinda surprised the Pacers didnt make an offer.

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One of those high risk, 3rd option players I feel CP3 can turn around or bring the best out of.

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And something that surprised me....

If the sixers wanted to send Holiday to a team who wanted a point guard....why didnt orlando took noel to pull that trade? Because in this one...Pelicans made out like bandits. Unless they dont really want a point guard right now (tanking for wiggins?). And Im unsure they are interested in bledsoe after taking Oladipo.

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Cp3 can't make players who aren't very good magically better just like a coach can't make a crappy roster a good roster. He can give you better shots yes but DD isn't a good off the ball player to begin with and he is a terrible shooter who hasn't improved in that aspect in his 4 years in the league. He puts up decent numbers(decent not even good mind you) on a terrible Raptors team where he gets to dominate the ball. He also just got a 38/4 contract and he is not worth that much. It has been 4 years and he is still the mediocre player he was in his first season. The difference is that he shoots the ball more and on worse efficiency.

Sorry I am not seeing it and to give up Bledsoe for him too? I wouldn't even take him for free due to his contract unless were giving the Raptors Butler and even then maybe not since he has a 4 year contract.

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Maybe they just wanted oladipo ?

It is surprising tho!

I see kings in picture for Bledsoe as well

But most likely we would have to pull trigger with Orlando or else we keep Bledsoe which is still good thing cuz he sparks up our bench

Indiana id prefer and hopefully we trade for granger

Portland? Mmm maybe but lillard is the man there at pg

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Unless Orlando has a top notch dribbler and passer in Tobias Harris and all this time we didnt know that , the point guard will run the show. Oladipo is pretty similar to Bledsoe, so i dont see the point for them in taking him. Afflalo is gone, of course, but dont think hes coming to the Clippers.

Lets see teams that could need a quality point guard

Sacramento (maybe)

Pistons (maybe)

Pacers (maybe)

Bucks (maybe)

New York (maybe)

Miami (maybe. Lebron and Mini Lebron together?)

Sixers (they took two guards in this draft, but maybe they like Bledsoe more)

Thunder (depends on westbrook injury , they could need help if recovery it takes longer than expected)

Lakers (Nash, but...you know...40 years)

Rockets (if harden is carrying the ball, bledsoe fits very nicely , although Lins contract... Dont count it out, though)

Orlando (definitely, but dont think that Bled is their guy)

Mavs (definitely, but Jennings is their guy, Im afraid)

In my shortsighted and not so brilliant analysis, Im not sure what team could have bledsoe as a number one option to get as a point guard.

As an SG there may be a couple more options (Suns, Cavs, come to mind). I dont see bledsoe as a sixth man because he deserves some starting burn, but Is not 100% unresonable to make him go to a team that desesperatenly needs a spark plug from the bench (Although Id hate to see him gone and NOT starting in another team.)

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U forgot Toronto lol n out of blue? Portland?

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Toronto has Lowry and some alternatives in their SG spot, and Portland has Lillard and now Mccallum.

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Just take Afflalo while Bledsoe's value is high. Only 3 NBA teams lack a good PG anyways. I want our roster intact moving on, dumb to wait too long unless we plan to resign him as our 6'1 SG.

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After the draft I can only see us getting some value for Bledsoe from Orlando. These guys obviously will be offloading Afflalo at some point and since they evidently want Bledsoe a lot, we should try and just get as much value as possible and I think they will give it.

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If his defense is as advertised, why shouldn't Bullock start at the 3 over Barnes if he resigns? He can spread the floor and defend, so if we have Afflalo at the 2, this is what we need. We don't need to start a player like Barnes who is an unreliable shooter, because our bigs camp in the paint and then they get double teamed because we can't space the floor. However, if you add a shooter, we can afford to let Deandre and Blake do that. Then however, if we get a big like Nicholson to come off the bench and play outside the paint comfortably, there will be open driving lanes for Barnes, Crawford, and the rest of the reserves. I really hope this is our lineup.

Paul/Wayns/FA

Afflalo/Crawford/Green

Bullock/Barnes/FA

Griffin/Nicholson

Jordan/Hollins/FA

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We can most likely get Afflalo IF we want him for Butler, but I believe Doc is going to want to see what Bled can do at the sg spot 1st.

Also think we'll go after starting sf now.

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I think this is what Doc may want to do.

Supphector17
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Toronto fans hates Lowry !

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Masai Ujiri is in charge now in Toronto. I think they re giving lowry another shot there and renewing him.

If theyre not....then yes, they may take a chance on Bledsoe.

De Rozan + Acy for Bledsoe and Butler.

Im not a fan of DDR because of his ill advised shots, but the guy was a good work ethic.

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Marko you won't like De Rozan if he were on our team...plays no defense and is below average for a sg in the 3FG%, TS% and eFG% departments. We can do much better...and need to.

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I wont take that offer either, make no mistake. Landing Granger should be a priority.

A Sign and trade for Gerald Henderson would be nice, too.

Tyreke evans is an intriguing guy, but not one I really like either.

In all of these cases, Bledsoe most likely would be the key to get us these guys.

Milwaukee could probably need a new floor general. Pairing him with Sanders and Udoh is a good idea for them. Sadly, they dont have anything that could interest us (unless you guys consider Ilyasova)

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I would give the Kings Bledsoe for Evans and McLemore.

I'ma say it again, I feel like McLemore is going to be a star.

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And they would laugh.

Markojaric
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Sadly, the maloofs are gone. The Kings were stupid enough a couple of months ago to draft and then trade T Rob for nothing.

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Why the f*** would Rivers want to keep Bledsoe as SG?

He's 6'1, not really great at spacing the floor, not really an outsisde threat, etc.

So ridiculous. I get it, the dude can play defense, but for a PG/SG position, I feel like having great offense or offensive versatility is much more important than their ability to defend. For example like Nash, never really a "great" defender, but played his role beautifully. Even as SG, it's nice to be able to defend, but if you're so limited offensively it just doesn't open up the floor and we will get the Lebron treatment like how the Spurs dared them to make jumpers. I would hate that. And that's Lebron being pretty good at getting to the rim and making his jumper. Imagine Bledsoe, much more difficult time in the West if we played the Spurs.

^ Hate to compare, but I hope you guys see what I'm saying to convey.

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Seems like a pretty good shooter to me last year, plus he's a damn good rebounder for his size:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/123-eric-bledsoe

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Well I trust Doc rivers than you. Smile

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^Yes, there's that too.

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Keep in mind that no move for Bled will be made until CP's situation is finalized. Doc is probably saying the things he did as a failsafe were CP to leave and we move Bled to starting PG. Bled can't defend elite starting SGs in the league, he will get posted and up-faked to death.

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Lol, Doc isn't heaven sent. Great coach but doesn't mean you have to kiss the floor he walks on. Create an opinion based of YOUR own evaluations as a spectator of this team. A debate/discussion actually are more appealing than just saying "I trust Doc", no point in even posting.

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Indeed, Doc is a great coach, but that doesn't make his every word sacrosanct. There is no way he intends to start Bled at SG. Yes, he is a good defender and can sometimes hit WIDE OPEN shots, but he would still be in way over his head (pun intended) at SG. Otherwise, why don't we just move DJ for a good SF, then re-sign and move Barnes to C? He has good defense, is tough, rebounds well and could spread the floor. We won't do this for the same reasons we won't start Bled at SG.

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Very well said.

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i think you two bring up some great points. We have to also account for the fact that doc hasn't even coached a game with our squad yet, he doesn't exaclty know bledsoe

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It's finalized with Doc being here. Bet on it.

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"there"s no way Doc intends" to start Bled at SG"...you know this for sure huh...hmm, I see a nice wager forming.

Your example with Barnes playing center doesn't hold water in regards to comparing the sg position.

How many 6-7 centers have been starters in the NBA and done well and how many 6-1 starting sg's have there been in the NBA and done well?

Good 6-1 sg's aren't a rarity like good 6-7 centers.

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If we won't start Bledsoe at SG then mind as well trade him. Its true Bledsoe is undersized but he has a 6' 7 - 6' 8 wingspan. What matters more when it comes to defense is wingspan(which allows you to contest shots better) not height. You don't contest shots by using your head to deflect shots you use your hands.

I definitely agree with you about Doc but we don't know for sure if Bledsoe will work out as a starting SG. Its wingspan that matters not height. I am just worried about how Bledsoe plays off the ball and how well he can shoot if he shoots 3s on higher volume.

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Height is significant on offense though. Jumpshots are vulnerable to blocks, especially mid-range.

Since Doc just got here, they had less than 24 hours to talk about the draft, I think they will eventually sit down and talk about Bledsoe.

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