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Would You Trade Eric Bledsoe & Caron Butler for Aaron Afflalo?
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sfernald
Post Subject: Rumor: Eric Bledsoe & Caron Butler for Arron Afflalo Post ID: 385287by sfernald » May 29, 2013 - 12:00 PM PST
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Just found this trade rumor on espn insider from Chad Ford. Sounds like Magic don't like Trey Burke and would be more than willing to trade Afflalo for Bledsoe and Butler.

What do you say? Sounds pretty damn good to me! Not really a fan of Butler at this point. And Affalo would be the perfect backcourt mate for Paul.

Would would play SF though? Maybe Barnes?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/n ... aft-rumors Magic to make a draft move?

Despite their need at point guard, sources say the Magic aren't sold on Trey Burke as the second-best player in the draft.

While they certainly haven't ruled out Burke with the No. 2 pick, Orlando is also eyeing Indiana's Victor Oladipo and Kansas' Ben McLemore. However, Oladipo and McLemore play the same position as Arron Afflalo, the Magic's leading scorer last season. What gives?

Sources say the Magic have a lot of interest in Clippers point guard Eric Bledsoe and would be willing to trade Afflalo for Bledsoe and Caron Butler's expiring contract.

Would the Clippers bite? Afflalo would give them an established veteran and a big upgrade at shooting guard to pair in the backcourt with Chris Paul.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Rumor: Bledsoe for Afflalo Post ID: 385289by Diamond909 » May 29, 2013 - 12:09 PM PST
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Nice but doubtful

                
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Post ID: 385290by sfernald » May 29, 2013 - 12:10 PM PST
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So you don't like it from a clippers perspective?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Rumor: Bledsoe for Afflalo Post ID: 385291by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 12:13 PM PST
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Yes. Good deal for both teams. If I was Orlando, I'd defferently pick Victor O or Ben M.

                
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Post ID: 385292by Clippersfan86 » May 29, 2013 - 12:13 PM PST
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So their draft pick,and Afflalo for Bledsoe and Butler? I say yes! We could nab one of the top SF's or C's in draft. I have a feeling Bledsoe ends up on the Magic or Jazz, always have felt that way. He would be an amazing fit with the young Magic core of Harkless, Harris and Vujevic.

                
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Post ID: 385293by ClippersSince97 » May 29, 2013 - 12:15 PM PST
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I'm definitely all for this one. What's Afflalo's salary right now?

                
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Post ID: 385294by Clippersfan86 » May 29, 2013 - 12:15 PM PST
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Wait I misread. Just Bledsoe and Butler for Afflalo? Hell no. We can get way better.

                
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Post ID: 385296by Clippersfan86 » May 29, 2013 - 12:16 PM PST
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As good of a fit as Afflalo is... He's nowhere near as valuable as Bledsoe.

                
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Post ID: 385297by Diamond909 » May 29, 2013 - 12:17 PM PST
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sfernald wrote:
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Nice but doubtful

So you don't like it from a clippers perspective?

If orlando actually go through with this....then im all in

                
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Post ID: 385301by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 12:19 PM PST
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7.7 mil. Plus we'd pick some 2+mil in salary space to add for additional player(s)....maybe Pierce. 8)

                
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Post ID: 385302by david » May 29, 2013 - 12:22 PM PST
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No way man- you're trading away 2 good players for one good player in Afflalo who has missed like 20 games the past two season. Doesn't sound like a good formula for improving the team.

                
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Post ID: 385303by ClippersSince97 » May 29, 2013 - 12:22 PM PST
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tense2 wrote:
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I'm definitely all for this one. What's Afflalo's salary right now?

7.7 mil.

That barely covers Caron's salary alone.

                
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Post ID: 385304by fattner » May 29, 2013 - 12:23 PM PST
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Yes do it

                
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Post ID: 385305by 23efren23 » May 29, 2013 - 12:23 PM PST
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Whoever gets Bledsoe gets dj contract butler is expiring contract not hard to move Clippers should look to get varajeo from cavaliers for dj and butler that's way cavs can draft Otto porter and their line up would be dj Thompson porter waiters kyrie Irving

                
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Post ID: 385306by ClippersSince97 » May 29, 2013 - 12:24 PM PST
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Caron is definitely not good and Bledsoe is as good as gone and with Afflalo, I don't think we are settling. He is a great defender and a definite upgrade for our team. We will definitely acquire another young talent as Afflalo's contract won't cover both Bled and Butler so hopefully the FO can brew something up. Maybe even get a 3rd team involved.

                
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Post ID: 385309by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 12:27 PM PST
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Well one potentially very good player and one over the hill guy really.

                
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Post ID: 385311by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 12:29 PM PST
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ClippersSince97 wrote:
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I'm definitely all for this one. What's Afflalo's salary right now?

7.7 mil.

That barely covers Caron's salary alone.

Correct and that gives us 2+mil to spend on another player.

                
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Post ID: 385314by clipper*joe » May 29, 2013 - 12:31 PM PST
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Bad trade and I don't buy this rumor for one second. Insider rarely has any scoops, but they do like to give their opinions on trades. Why would we give up an expiring contract along with Bledsoe for Afflalo? Why not trade Butler's expiring ( expirings are more valuable in this CBA) and Bled for something better? or make separate trades to maximize what we have. They should be willing to take Butler alone to free up Afflalo's spot for Oladipo or McLemore. That's doing them a favor, not us.

All bogus based on the simple logic.

                
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Post ID: 385318by david » May 29, 2013 - 12:38 PM PST
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That's true- Caron is getting old and is overpaid. He did hit a bunch of 3's for us, and we're already a team that's very average when it comes to 3 point shooting.

                
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Post ID: 385324by AirGriffin » May 29, 2013 - 12:50 PM PST
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We get Butler's contract off of our hands and get a solid starting SG! Who wouldn't do this? and we get additional cap space that is worth Bledsoe if you ask me.

CP- Affalo- Barnes - Blake Griffin - Deandre Jordan

All under a new coach should be quite interesting....

                
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Post ID: 385326by Heediot » May 29, 2013 - 12:54 PM PST
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We should be getting Harkless or Nicholson in return as well. No way I would do this trade with the current offer.

                
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Post ID: 385328by The_Blake_Show » May 29, 2013 - 12:58 PM PST
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DJ is not going anywhere... This dude is only 24 years old with more upside than downside and with the right coach (And personal coach) DJ can progress and become a solid center.

With that being said, Butler and Bledsoe for Afflalo and a draft pick... Why not? The Clippers get a solid player from L.A. and a draft pick which I would think it's a first rounder.

Afflalo would be a great fit... This guy plays with a lot of heart, can score, great defender, can play SG and SF. Afflalo has improved each and every year.

Possible Starting Five:

Paul Mayo Afflalo Griffin DJ

Damn...

                
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Post ID: 385330by Heediot » May 29, 2013 - 01:04 PM PST
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Three way deal Clipper-Magic-Celtics

Magic get Bledsoe Butler

Celtics get D. Jordan M. Harkless or Nicholson Clippers 1st round pick

Clippers get Affalo Garnett

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pjm23xp

Clippers sign Pierce MLE

Paul-Billups Afflalo-Crawford Pierce-Hill Griffin-Odom KG-KMart or J. O'neal

We become a vet team, but have a dangerous well rounded squad.

I would also trade Crawford for a SF who can shoot the 3 and play defense and re-sign Green as the backup 2.

                
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Post ID: 385331by david » May 29, 2013 - 01:07 PM PST
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Afflalo is a very good player, but Bledsoe + Butler is too much to give up. Now if Orlando decides to give us their pick (or swap picks with us), then we're talking. I doubt that the Magic will do that, however.

                
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Post ID: 385332by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 01:08 PM PST
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Last year was a down year for Afflalo and he's better at the sg spot than sf. Still good deal IMO.

                
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Post ID: 385333by Jerediscool » May 29, 2013 - 01:10 PM PST
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There obviously has to be something else or some sort of picks involved bc of the salaries. I believe Bledsoe is supposed to get around 5mill this year... If some one can check on that

                
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Post ID: 385334by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 01:11 PM PST
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david wrote:
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Well one potentially very good player and one over the hill guy really.

That's true- Caron is getting old and is overpaid. He did hit a bunch of 3's for us, and we're already a team that's very average when it comes to 3 point shooting.

Afflalo is younger, better shooter, much better defender and gets paid less than Caron. What's not to like, LOL.

                
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Post ID: 385335by clippersforlife33 » May 29, 2013 - 01:11 PM PST
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haha i was confused at first too but hell no i agree i think we can get way better.

                
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Post ID: 385337by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 01:13 PM PST
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He's owed 2.6 mil this year. The trade works.

                
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Post ID: 385340by CP3Best » May 29, 2013 - 01:23 PM PST
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If they add in Vucevic or a 1st rounder I'm all for it.

                
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Post ID: 385341by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 01:25 PM PST
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Please. roll

                
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Post ID: 385342by The_Blake_Show » May 29, 2013 - 01:26 PM PST
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tense2 wrote:
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DJ is not going anywhere... This dude is only 24 years old with more upside than downside and with the right coach (And personal coach) DJ can progress and become a solid center.

With that being said, Butler and Bledsoe for Afflalo and a draft pick... Why not? The Clippers get a solid player from L.A. and a draft pick which I would think it's a first rounder.

Afflalo would be a great fit... This guy plays with a lot of heart, can score, great defender, can play SG and SF. Afflalo has improved each and every year.

Possible Starting Five:

Paul Mayo Afflalo Griffin DJ

Damn...

Last year was a down year for Afflalo and he's better at the sg spot than sf. Still good deal IMO.

That's true but you also have to consider that Afflalo had to be the main man with the Magic...

If Afflalo joins the Clippers than a lot of that pressure would be taken off thus seeing the usual hard working Afflalo again.

This is a love and hate deal... I would love to see Afflalo with the Clippers but I hate that the Clippers will lose Bledsoe.

                
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Post ID: 385344by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 01:30 PM PST
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^Yep, I agree. Unless Bledsole is given a shot at the staring sg position he's gone somewhere. Where is the question.

                
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Post ID: 385345by sfernald » May 29, 2013 - 01:36 PM PST
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Now that's not realistic. Their pick is #2 and Vucevic is a double double machine. Maybe we could get them to throw in Harkless, but we have to be realistic.

I know they are trying to get rid of big baby who would be a great replacement for Odom actually.

We could do:

Bledsoe Butler Green Hill (retires)

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Afflalo Big baby

Works in trade machine. What do you think of that? I actually think big baby is really underrated.

                
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Post ID: 385346by sfernald » May 29, 2013 - 01:40 PM PST
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The_Blake_Show wrote:
tense2 wrote:
Last year was a down year for Afflalo and he's better at the sg spot than sf. Still good deal IMO.

That's true but you also have to consider that Afflalo had to be the main man with the Magic...

If Afflalo joins the Clippers than a lot of that pressure would be taken off thus seeing the usual hard working Afflalo again.

This is a love and hate deal... I would love to see Afflalo with the Clippers but I hate that the Clippers will lose Bledsoe.

I just still have fresh in my mind that game at the staples center where he lit us up and the Magic beat us.

                
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Post ID: 385347by realbull17 » May 29, 2013 - 01:42 PM PST
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if ORL offer a 1st rounder. it wont be this year. it will be a future one and most likely be protected.

                
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Post ID: 385348by CapsNClips » May 29, 2013 - 01:44 PM PST
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We could do better than this. I'd really try and push for their draft pick.

Bledsoe, Butler + DJ for Afflalo, #2 pick + Harrington. I'm not sure that the money works but we would have to take on a bad contract.

                
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Post ID: 385349by Clippersfan86 » May 29, 2013 - 01:45 PM PST
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I'm okay with it more now after talking to Magic fans. Seems like Afflalo was forced to be THE guy in Orlando last year but as some in this thread have said... playing as the 3rd guy next to two superstars who are amazing playmakers... I expect a nice bounceback for Afflalo. Plus the guy is just 27 years old.. so not like he's on the decline yet.

                
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Post ID: 385350by AirGriffin » May 29, 2013 - 01:46 PM PST
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Bledsoe is great and all but he is bound to leave so why not get what we can now? He is definitely not a SG, and CP gets most minutes at PG.

Keeping bledsoe doesn't make sense, we already have Wayns and Billups at most should be returned to a vet min playing PG as a backup.

We need a REAL starting SG. Green could possibly leave, and isn't the best option and Jamal is our 6th man.

We desperately need SG's and SF's since Butler will probably be gone and Barnes wants more money.

I can live with DJ under a coach, hopefully good things happen. Affalo will give us that consistent 3rd scoring option we been lacking.

                
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Post ID: 385351by tense2 » May 29, 2013 - 01:47 PM PST
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sfernald wrote:
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If they add in Vucevic or a 1st rounder I'm all for it.

Now that's not realistic. Their pick is #2 and Vucevic is a double double machine. Maybe we could get them to throw in Harkless, but we have to be realistic.

I know they are trying to get rid of big baby who would be a great replacement for Odom actually.

We could do:

Bledsoe Butler Green Hill (retires)

For

Afflalo Big baby

Works in trade machine. What do you think of that? I actually think big baby is really underrated.

Unfortunately, Big Baby is not underrated....he's terrible. I understand why the Magic are disparate to find a sucker, err suitor, lol. No on the Baby.

                
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Doesn't work $ wise, nor would the Magic do anyway. They do not need DJ.

                
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Post ID: 385353by Steady818 » May 29, 2013 - 01:50 PM PST
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you get a starting 2 guard for a starting small forward who only plays 20 very inconsistent minutes, and a backup pg who will likely never get any real minutes behind chris paul.. I don't think the trade would hurt us too much, but at the same time i would like to see if there is more out there to get rather than this.. If this is what happens so be it, but id like to see other options too.

                
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Seeing the light. wink

                
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tense2 wrote:
sfernald wrote:
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If they add in Vucevic or a 1st rounder I'm all for it.

Now that's not realistic. Their pick is #2 and Vucevic is a double double machine. Maybe we could get them to throw in Harkless, but we have to be realistic.

I know they are trying to get rid of big baby who would be a great replacement for Odom actually.

We could do:

Bledsoe Butler Green Hill (retires)

For

Afflalo Big baby

Works in trade machine. What do you think of that? I actually think big baby is really underrated.

Unfortunately, Big Baby is not underrated....he's terrible. I understand why the Magic are disparate to find a sucker, err suitor, lol. No on the Baby.

You serious? Big baby was getting 15 and 7 last year in 30 minutes before he got hurt. He's not the big baby you remember from Boston (still fat though).

                
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Post ID: 385356by Clippersfan86 » May 29, 2013 - 01:53 PM PST
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=8664

Somebody with insider plz post this? Seems like the writer is saying Orlando kills us with this trade value wise.

                
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Post ID: 385357by sfernald » May 29, 2013 - 01:55 PM PST
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Orlando does have a second rounder this year they could throw in too. Got it from GSW.

                
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Post ID: 385358by CapsNClips » May 29, 2013 - 01:55 PM PST
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tense2 wrote:
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We could do better than this. I'd really try and push for their draft pick.

Bledsoe, Butler + DJ for Afflalo, #2 pick + Harrington. I'm not sure that the money works but we would have to take on a bad contract.

Doesn't work $ wise, nor would the Magic do anyway. They do not need DJ.

They were going to draft Noel anyways so why wouldn't they need DJ? Vucevic at the PF spot with DJ at Center would be a pretty good young front court minus DJ's god awful FT's.

I always though Vucevic would be better at PF because of his range and he can box out any PF.

                
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ESPN's Chad Ford reported this morning that Orlando is interested in trading Arron Afflalo to the Los Angeles Clippers in return for Eric Bledsoe and the expiring $8 million contract of Caron Butler. While the deal would make a lot of sense for the Magic, shedding Affalo's lengthy contract and freeing them up to draft someone like Ben McLemore or Victor Oladipo with the No. 2 pick in next month's draft, we have to wonder how much sense it'd make for the Clippers.

In Bledsoe, the Clippers have an athletic young point guard who is no doubt a valuable trade chip. On top of that, he's an affordable asset set to make $2.62 million next season -- a bargain by today's NBA standards. While the Clips would certainly have to entertain offers for their promising reserve if it helps address the teams other needs (small forward, center), we have to wonder if it'd be worth unloading such a solid trade chip for a player like Afflalo who is guaranteed $7.56 million over each of the next two seasons with a $7.75 player option in 2015-16. Especially if it also means giving up a valuable expiring contract like that of Butler, who himself started 78 games for the Clips this season. Trading Butler closer to next season's trade deadline would likely lead to a better haul.

The Clippers also have Jamal Crawford signed for over $5.2 million through the next three seasons, and though Crawford is better served in a sixth man role it'd be a lot of money locked up at shooting guard if the team also brought in Afflalo. From L.A's perspective, it might be a better idea to talk to Dallas about Bledsoe; the Mavericks are reportedly willing to trade their first-round pick (No. 13) and could dangle Vince Carter or Jae Crowder to help address the Clips' lack of depth on the wing. With that first-rounder, L.A. could go after someone like Pitt's Steven Adams, Gonzaga's Kelly Olynyk, Duke's Mason Plumlee or France's Rudy Gobert to give them another talented center, or they could opt for another young wing like Georgia's Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, D-League star Glen Rice Jr. or UCLA's Shabazz Muhammad.

                
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Post ID: 385360by sfernald » May 29, 2013 - 01:59 PM PST
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^^ we are getting Shabazz!!

                
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Post ID: 385361by Clippersfan86 » May 29, 2013 - 02:00 PM PST
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sfernald wrote:
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rumors/post?id=8664

Somebody with insider plz post this? Seems like the writer is saying Orlando kills us with this trade value wise.

ESPN's Chad Ford reported this morning that Orlando is interested in trading Arron Afflalo to the Los Angeles Clippers in return for Eric Bledsoe and the expiring $8 million contract of Caron Butler. While the deal would make a lot of sense for the Magic, shedding Affalo's lengthy contract and freeing them up to draft someone like Ben McLemore or Victor Oladipo with the No. 2 pick in next month's draft, we have to wonder how much sense it'd make for the Clippers.

In Bledsoe, the Clippers have an athletic young point guard who is no doubt a valuable trade chip. On top of that, he's an affordable asset set to make $2.62 million next season -- a bargain by today's NBA standards. While the Clips would certainly have to entertain offers for their promising reserve if it helps address the teams other needs (small forward, center), we have to wonder if it'd be worth unloading such a solid trade chip for a player like Afflalo who is guaranteed $7.56 million over each of the next two seasons with a $7.75 player option in 2015-16. Especially if it also means giving up a valuable expiring contract like that of Butler, who himself started 78 games for the Clips this season. Trading Butler closer to next season's trade deadline would likely lead to a better haul.

The Clippers also have Jamal Crawford signed for over $5.2 million through the next three seasons, and though Crawford is better served in a sixth man role it'd be a lot of money locked up at shooting guard if the team also brought in Afflalo. From L.A's perspective, it might be a better idea to talk to Dallas about Bledsoe; the Mavericks are reportedly willing to trade their first-round pick (No. 13) and could dangle Vince Carter or Jae Crowder to help address the Clips' lack of depth on the wing. With that first-rounder, L.A. could go after someone like Pitt's Steven Adams, Gonzaga's Kelly Olynyk, Duke's Mason Plumlee or France's Rudy Gobert to give them another talented center, or they could opt for another young wing like Georgia's Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, D-League star Glen Rice Jr. or UCLA's Shabazz Muhammad.

Thanks brother. Repped for the original post/news and this.

                
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