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Hey all,

I had a chance to talk to Vinny today via phone:

Del Negro: "It was Mr. Sterling's decision"

http://www.hoopsworld.com/del-negro-it- ... s-decision

Thanks!

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All is better now. Life is good. 8)

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Good article emplay

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Nice article!

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These Spin doctors are real good. Now they have VDN in on it. I guess DTS called in the favor to help with damage control. Gotta love it.

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okay now it's clear it's not CP3

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^I guess unless they call you at home you ain't buying any of it but the negative stuff? Just checking and wondering why the negative stuff must be true but the positive stuff isn't. Just wondering. (for ClipperJOe)

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this isn't spin dr stuff - I've been trying to line up this interview back and forth with VDN for over a week - we scheduled it today before the whole Broussard story

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Lets just say I've read just about every article out there and I've formed an educated guess based on said articles. VDN hinted that it was someone other than DTS who might have had a hand in this on the Dan Patrick Show. So now I am to believe this new version is the right one? So I am now to forget about what DTS said in a candid interview?

Nah, I don't need no one to call me at home, they'd be wasting their time. Too much stuff insinuated and said that contradicts what the PR machine is now saying. You look at it as if I'm more eager to cling on to the negative stuff while I like to think that I am listening to what has been said, not hearing what is being fed to me.

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Not you, Emplay. I know what VDN first said on the DP show and I know what DTS said in TJ's article. You can't ignore that stuff and now rejoice at the new versions of the story by the FO and now VDN. hence why i said DTS called in a favor to VDN. Now DTS is not available for comment.

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Interesting to hear Vinny talk about the defensive improvement, except for 3PT defense, also fouling didn't improve. Vinny is a guy that seems to learn and grow as a coach, that's always a positive.

He's also pretty disappointed because he knows there were some roster issues that didn't come together, and gives Paul credit for working the offense well despite those issues.

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Of course it was Mr. Sterling's decision...

...and he "decided" that CP3 didn't want Vinny anymore wink

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good article. sounds like vdn doesn't want to be labeled as the coach that started drama and is playing clean up.

still, there's no running away from the idea that everyone knows CP had a say. he just doesn't want to be called out for it.

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Yup.

It's just like the movies. If the movie is crap, most people will put it on the star.

Tom Cruise may not have written or directed the movie, but as long as he's cashing a $20,000,000 check, has the power to have any other person replaced and is selling flicks under his own "brand"... he'll be held responsible.

If CP3's gonna come to L.A. and step into the big spotlight... he'd better learn how to dance for the peanut gallery (ESPN).

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cleepers wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
good article. sounds like vdn doesn't want to be labeled as the coach that started drama and is playing clean up.

still, there's no running away from the idea that everyone knows CP had a say. he just doesn't want to be called out for it.

Yup.

It's just like the movies. If the movie is crap, most people will put it on the star.

Tom Cruise may not have written or directed the movie, but as long as he's cashing a $20,000,000 check, has the power to have any other person replaced and is selling flicks under his own "brand"... he'll be held responsible.

If CP3's gonna come to L.A. and step into the big spotlight... he'd better learn how to dance for the peanut gallery (ESPN).

I guess he'll have to learn to dance even when there's no music playing, lol.

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It doesn't take a genius to know that chris paul didn't want VDN back. CP cares about winning. VDN proved in the playoffs that he isn't into the same thing. hes 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. Very unCP3. and seriously, who wanted VDN around? Its not CPs fault, its VDNs for sucking ass

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Damn Clippers PR guys are pulling in all the stops

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There is a time and place for everything to be said, but when your are trying to resign your superstar and basically determine the type of future and rep your org will have for the next 4-5 years, you might want to keep business-related things to yourself for the time being.

Now we are in full blown damage control mode.

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Ironically, the furthest CP3 has gone is as far as VDN has gone. CP3 is also 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. The Superstars have the burden of carrying that cross more than coach if you ask me.

Melo, Lebron, and countless other stars have had to carry that cross but when it comes to CP3, it's something other than him.

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Okay, Vinny's fault! Cool, so now what? People can finger point till the cows come home, or they change something. Who cares about where the blame goes. The fat has been cut. Now it's time to fix it and right the ship.

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clipper*joe wrote:
Jerediscool wrote:
It doesn't take a genius to know that chris paul didn't want VDN back. CP cares about winning. VDN proved in the playoffs that he isn't into the same thing. hes 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. Very unCP3. and seriously, who wanted VDN around? Its not CPs fault, its VDNs for sucking ass

Ironically, the furthest CP3 has gone is as far as VDN has gone. CP3 is also 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. The Superstars have the burden of carrying that cross more than coach if you ask me.

Melo, Lebron, and countless other stars have had to carry that cross but when it comes to CP3, it's something other than him.

Maybe he's trying to be like McCaulay Culkin in "The Good Son."

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clipper*joe wrote:
Jerediscool wrote:
It doesn't take a genius to know that chris paul didn't want VDN back. CP cares about winning. VDN proved in the playoffs that he isn't into the same thing. hes 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. Very unCP3. and seriously, who wanted VDN around? Its not CPs fault, its VDNs for sucking ass

Ironically, the furthest CP3 has gone is as far as VDN has gone. CP3 is also 2-8 in his last 10 playoff games. The Superstars have the burden of carrying that cross more than coach if you ask me.

Melo, Lebron, and countless other stars have had to carry that cross but when it comes to CP3, it's something other than him.

The actual problem is the whole illogical idea that one player can beat a whole team by himself. If a player plays very well and his team losses because they can't defend or because no one else does anything on offense, what exactly is the point of us as fans making it seem like it is something that it isn't? Making it seem like the player can't "will his team to victory" or one of those other phrases that people love. I don't get the idea of continuing the status quo of terrible analysis of how a player impacts a team because poor analysts have done so in the past with other players.

It's dumb just like it's dumb to criticize Carmelo for losing to a team with Duncan, Manu, Parker and Bowen and to many far superior teams. When a player looses to a team where it would had been a travesty for that team to loose, as long as he doesn't sabotage his own team with terrible play, or suck more than he's allotted due to the circumstances, there's no need for all the nonsense. Players aren't actually better just because they are on a better team. Paul is no better in the playoffs if he gets to be on the Celtics and win championships and be in the ECF last season because he plays two 40 win range teams in round 1 and 2.

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clipper*joe wrote:
emplay wrote:
this isn't spin dr stuff - I've been trying to line up this interview back and forth with VDN for over a week - we scheduled it today before the whole Broussard story

Not you, Emplay. I know what VDN first said on the DP show and I know what DTS said in TJ's article. You can't ignore that stuff and now rejoice at the new versions of the story by the FO and now VDN. hence why i said DTS called in a favor to VDN. Now DTS is not available for comment.

It is obvious that you are an ethical guy but ethics vary according to the situation as long as everybody knows and agrees to the same rules. What is unethical in normal life is ethical in a court of law or business. They did as I said they would/should. Lie. Basketball may not be a war but multi billion dollar business are.

This is of course an area where reasonable people may differ. Fun debate over beer and pizza.

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Yeah, that is true with CP3, but one thing you CAN NOT discredit is that in those WINS and LOSSES, CP3 played his butt off! The stats speak for themselves. I can understand if he fails and doesn't put up numbers, like Melo was shut down against Indiana or Lebron was unclutch against the Mavs and other teams before this year. But it IS different with CP3. Only one year I can say CP3 basically fell apart and that was against the Nuggets when they blew the pants off of the Hornets in the playoffs. Other than that, CP3 has played his tail off. That is why it is different, because people look at the games and CP's stat line sticks out while the rest of his teammates can't keep up. Blame BG for dissappearing, even before the injury, blame Crawford for being inconsistent, blame Vinny for not playing Grant Hill and Willie Green enough, blame DJ for being useless, blame Chauncy for being stuck up and past his prime, but you can't sit there and say that CP3 is in the same situation that Lebron and Melo are in. Only person that comes close is Lebron when he was in Cleveland and he had to literally play lights out until he met the Spurs.

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tense2 wrote:
cleepers wrote:
If CP3's gonna come to L.A. and step into the big spotlight... he'd better learn how to dance for the peanut gallery (ESPN).

I guess he'll have to learn to dance even when there's no music playing, lol.

Welcome to Hollywood 8)

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cleepers wrote:
tense2 wrote:
cleepers wrote:
If CP3's gonna come to L.A. and step into the big spotlight... he'd better learn how to dance for the peanut gallery (ESPN).

I guess he'll have to learn to dance even when there's no music playing, lol.

Welcome to Hollywood 8)

He's also going to dance to State Farm and multiple endorsement deals in LA. For that amount of money I'd dance naked. The State Farm commercials have made his face well known to the general public. He now has "brand recognition" like Blake. This means more $$$ like millions probably. CP3 jerseys are selling like hotcakes I bet.

I'm pretty sure not only did CP3 get rid of VDN but he also forced the FO to go into damage control. His squeaky clean image is worth a lot of $$$. Nice family man good father etc etc.

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ps

There is no problem. CP3 has us by the balls that's all. Winning or losing in the PO's etc mean nothing. Playing like a superstar means nothing. Until he signs the contract he can squeeze the lemons as much as he likes. We have no leverage. Another girlfriend analogy. If you don't want to sleep alone you'll buy dinner, flowers and pretend to be interested in her dumb stories.

He wants a ring and he has the ability to totally control his destiny and can tell the FO to screw off. Would rather control your career or have someone else control it?

He is now probably more our posterboy than Blake or at least the same. If he leaves not only will the team suffer but our image and marketability will suffer read lose mega $$$. He has us by the balls

Be honest. Except for maybe Joe everyone on this board given the situation would do exactly the same thing including damage control. I would.

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/1/43 ... gro-rumors

"Clippers: We, not Chris Paul, made decision to fire Vinny Del Negro

By Tom Lewis on Jun 1 2013, 9:06a"

Can anybody explain the meaning of fire now, because I don't understand why the media used the word FIRE to VDN as far as I know you can used the word fire if you still have contract example mike brown, but VDN's case the clippers organization doesn't want to extend or renew his contract, did i miss something, because I just rely on the news and blogs.

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I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I am saying that that is the way the cookie has always crumbled. Just like you find it illogical that the guy who is the face of the franchise, and is expected to lead his team to great heights, should not be put under any scrutiny, I don't feel a coach should lose his job based on what you just said.

I believe teams pay max money to players to carry that team as well as the burden of success and failure. As far a poor analysis, we'll have to agree to disagree. I've heard Magic Johnson, Jalen Rose, and even the guys on TNT talk about the pressure of being the face of the franchise. I've also heard Magic talk talk about how a Star is made in the playoffs. How those special players kick it into a different gear in the playoffs.

These are players that have legit legacies, and I don't consider what they say as terrible or illogical.

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Ekker, you are 100% correct my friend! CP3 is just being a girl. If the shoe fits CP, feel free to lace that b*tch up and wear it!

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Vinny's contract ran though the end of June, Hence the word fired.

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BACON wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
good article. sounds like vdn doesn't want to be labeled as the coach that started drama and is playing clean up.

still, there's no running away from the idea that everyone knows CP had a say. he just doesn't want to be called out for it.

Ekker, you are 100% correct my friend! CP3 is just being a girl. If the shoe fits CP, feel free to lace that b*tch up and wear it!

Gee, I wonder what he said. Can't find any quotes or info anywhere...hmm.

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I'm going to have to write a book on cynicism and distribute it to you guys. Why did they say "Fire"? Simple, it makes the story more dramatic.

Which article would you read

1 Clippers will no longer have the services of coach VDN. His contract expires this June and we have chosen not to renew it.

2 The Clippers "FIRE" VDN

#2 More people will read #2 which means more people will read the ads or at least it will increase viewership. As far as the truth they're simply painting with a broad brush. They told him he would no longer be employed by LAC before his contract was up. This is close enough to firing not to make a difference

In this post I've noticed that often rule #1 is forgotten

Rule #1 FIRST FOLLOW THE CASH

Forget loyalty, honesty, fair play etc. If you don't believe me, remember the series where the refs purposely ignored LAL fouls against SAC because LAL was a bigger TV draw. Follow the cash. Admittedly this is wrong but in business and politics and talking to your Mom when you were a kid, things are wrong only if you can't get away with them.

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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
wessleejr wrote:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/1/4386144/clippers-chris-pau l-vinny-del-negro-rumors

"Clippers: We, not Chris Paul, made decision to fire Vinny Del Negro

By Tom Lewis on Jun 1 2013, 9:06a"

Can anybody explain the meaning of fire now, because I don't understand why the media used the word FIRE to VDN as far as I know you can used the word fire if you still have contract example mike brown, but VDN's case the clippers organization doesn't want to extend or renew his contract, did i miss something, because I just rely on the news and blogs.

I'm going to have to write a book on cynicism and distribute it to you guys. Why did they say "Fire"? Simple, it makes the story more dramatic.

Which article would you read

1 Clippers will no longer have the services of coach VDN. His contract expires this June and we have chosen not to renew it.

2 The Clippers "FIRE" VDN

#2 More people will read #2 which means more people will read the ads or at least it will increase viewership. As far as the truth painting with a broad brush. They told him he would no longer be employed by LAC before his contract was up. This is close enough to firing not to make a difference

How is not firing when your still under contract, whether is a day, 30 days or a year till your contract runs out. wink

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tense2 wrote:
BACON wrote:
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good article. sounds like vdn doesn't want to be labeled as the coach that started drama and is playing clean up.

still, there's no running away from the idea that everyone knows CP had a say. he just doesn't want to be called out for it.

Ekker, you are 100% correct my friend! CP3 is just being a girl. If the shoe fits CP, feel free to lace that b*tch up and wear it!

Gee, I wonder what he said. Can't find any quotes or info anywhere...hmm.

hmmm it seems simmers took DTS's comments and created a fake Chris Paul is angry scenario.....

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Definitions of words can be shall we say "creative" You can define a word any way you want as long as people buy your BS.

Example To quote Bill Clinton

"That depends on what 'is' is"

"I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman"

Technically he's right. His cigar went into the top box not the bottom one. Technically putting your cigar in the top box isn't intercourse.

The real question is: how could his cigar still stand up when he looked down and saw Monica?

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That's cute, lol. Define fired.

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tense2 wrote:
toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Definitions of words can be shall we say "creative" You can define a word any way you want as long as people buy your BS.

Example To quote Bill Clinton

"That depends on what 'is' is"

"I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman"

Technically he's right. His cigar went into the top box not the bottom one. Technically putting your cigar in the top box isn't intercourse.

The real question is: how could his cigar still stand up when he looked down and saw Monica?

That's cute, lol. Define fired.

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Definition of Fired according to Donald Trump: The beige caterpillars just above the eyes race to give each other a high five; a pouty lip formation imitates dirty women on Spring Break photo ops; and a tornado of amoebic dysentery vomit explodes from the mouth in the form of.......YOUR FIRED

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the ones that blame cp3 for the vdn drama. shame on you! roll

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Does anyone think these "responses" from the FO and Vinny seem a bit ridiculous? I just worry that it draws attention to the issue and makes us seem desperate (which we are) - i don't know, I guess it's lose lose.

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toohipcliptoslip wrote:
tense2 wrote:
toohipcliptoslip wrote:
Definitions of words can be shall we say "creative" You can define a word any way you want as long as people buy your BS.

Example To quote Bill Clinton

"That depends on what 'is' is"

"I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman"

Technically he's right. His cigar went into the top box not the bottom one. Technically putting your cigar in the top box isn't intercourse.

The real question is: how could his cigar still stand up when he looked down and saw Monica?

That's cute, lol. Define fired.

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Says the Buddhist monk.

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Chuckle.

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