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Grant Hill struggled with injuries this season and to no surprise he decided to retire over the weekend. His decision will give the Los Angeles Clippers some help staying below the 2013-14 luxury tax line. Hill was owed $2.04 million next season, but he only had $500,000 worth of salary protection if he was waived prior to the start of July. Hill will still be on the books for $500,000 unless he takes a lower number via a buyout. Either way,....

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Expected to resign Chauncey Billips???? WHAT? He better come in looking like he's found the fountain of youth... cuz he looked really bad during the playoff's. ....

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wait till we hire george karl and CP instantly becomes the back up point guard Very Happy

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I'm good at Bringing Willie back but Billups? Wtf man. We need Hollins more than ever now. He won't be afraid to call even Billups out. ....

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we need a coach that demands more respect than chauncey....

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Please no Chauncey or Hollins. I'm fine with Green. We NEED wing defenders and better backup bigs.

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Billups???????? Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

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billups can be the backup pg if/when we trade bledsoe. still better than most backup pgs.. plus he provides leadership and is a former finals mvp which you cannot measure by his numbers. i wouldnt mind keeping him at all. ....

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I'd rather keep Wayne at backup pg tbh

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I would rather pick someone on this site then have billups on next years team

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If he's a backup pg I'm fine but only if we sign OJ Mayo or get EJ or Tony Allen so there's no confusion of who our starting 2 guard is so we have size to defend other 2s. But the times Chauncey played pg with the 2nd unit, which was rare, he ran the team exceptionally well! VDN was just too dumb to see it! He & JC played well off each other. ....

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I'd rather keep Wayne at backup pg tbh
what did wayne ever do to impress you? what happens if paul goes down again? wayne is gonna run this team? ....

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If he's a backup pg I'm fine but only if we sign OJ Mayo or get EJ or Tony Allen so there's no confusion of who our starting 2 guard is so we have size to defend other 2s. But the times Chauncey played pg with the 2nd unit, which was rare, he ran the team exceptionally well! VDN was just too dumb to see it! He & JC played well off each other.
if we trade bledsoe its gonna be....

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I would rather pick someone on this site then have billups on next years team
good thing you are not in our front office. ....

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May God help us if Billups comes back. It's almost annoying! Why beat a dead horse? just lay down already and retire like G Hill. I'm not forgetting or forgiving him on turning the ball over with what like 3 minutes left in Game 6? totally killed our momentum....and this is a "veteran".... smh ....

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Okay, so the team is either buying him out or waving him, I knew that unless he filed for retirement it the league, which most players don't do, he's still on the cap. The saving grace is that he's only guaranteed $500K ....

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i just hope if we buy him out we get a good backup for cp3.

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I'd rather keep Wayne at backup pg tbh
what did wayne ever do to impress you? what happens if paul goes down again? wayne is gonna run this team? What did Billups do to impress you this past season? What happens to the Spurs if Duncan goes down? What if LeBron goes down? If he is injured during the playoffs it won't matter cause no team goes far without their Star. ....

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I'd rather keep Wayne at backup pg tbh
what did wayne ever do to impress you? what happens if paul goes down again? wayne is gonna run this team? What did Billups do to impress you this past season? What happens to the Spurs if Duncan goes down? What if LeBron goes down? If he is injured during the playoffs it won't matter cause no team goes far without their Star. Agree, nice way to put it. And what did happen when CP....

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hopefully with an off-seasons rest, chauncey can heal up more and try to get his game back

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The problem with Billups coming back is that he won't be content as a 13-15 minute backup, and I don't want a player that a coach feels obligate to play because of reputation. I would only bring him back if during contract negotiations, we're on the same page about his role. ....

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No to chauncy! no to ryan! GK if we get him i pray that we can get over the hump better than his last teams. Google News - http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGA5FAnfW2eI7tGmJnN Bc0uUI7UCA&url=http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/06/03/los-angeles-cl ippers-should-see-red-flags-attached-to-george-karl/ News shared from Los Angeles Clippers News By NDO : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ndo.nba.losangeles.c lippers.news ....

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Wow Wyans was great,every minute he got, almost better than Bledsoe and people want to disrespect? He,deserves another crack at backup PG. ....

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billups can be the backup pg if/when we trade bledsoe. still better than most backup pgs.. plus he provides leadership and is a former finals mvp which you cannot measure by his numbers. i wouldnt mind keeping him at all.
We can measure it by last year's PATHETIC play... turning over balls, missing wide open shots (and missing them by a mile)... OH AND FATHER TIME Constantly on his heels... which is why he was always a defensive liability. The once Finals MVP.......

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Wayns is a tough one, I'd like him back, but his play was too small of a sample size. He played 6 games and a total of 37 minutes. We would be judging him on the equivalent of one games starters minutes. He was not nearly as impressive in his 21 games, 7.9 MPG, 165 minutes with Philadelphia. ....

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Wayns is a tough one, I'd like him back, but his play was too small of a sample size. He played 6 games and a total of 37 minutes. We would be judging him on the equivalent of one games starters minutes. He was not nearly as impressive in his 21 games, 7.9 MPG, 165 minutes with Philadelphia.
Small sample but the skillset is there. Being a backup PG in the NBA isn't as big of a deal as people are making....

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AirGriffin
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I feel confident in Wayns and trust him. He's always tweeeting about gymming it and working hard. The worth ethic is there and that's the most important. Under CP she should develop just fine if you ask me. Wayns is a good prospect. ....

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Paul doesn't play 41-42 MPG, so he would be in closer to 12 MPG if he's the main backup, that's 1/4th of the game, pretty signifiant. My point is that we can't be sure, anyone can look good in only 37 minutes. In the same season, he had a .356 TS%, 12.2 pts, 1.1 reb, 4.4 assists 2.8 to per 36 with 20% 3PT, 5.0 PER in 21 games with Philly and playing 165 minutes. As much as it was cool to....

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I think with Crawford playing a few minutes at PG like usual 7-10 at most is more realistic. Bottom line is... he's a hard worker, looked improved from Philly days and I loved every minute he was out there. Smart passer (I saw the A/TOR but this year was good), loves to run, can shoot and he puts effort into D. I'm specifically in his corner right now because he was the first player in the gym this summer. After....

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Chauncey would get brought back to play minutes at the 1 and 2. I really want Chauncey to just retire. His numbers are going to be garbage again and I can't see him really helping this team out. He'd be great to use as some sort of coach or given a position within the team doing something. And this is no ill will towards Chauncey, he's had a tremendous career but I think he's holding on a little too tightly....

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Wayns is a tough one, I'd like him back, but his play was too small of a sample size. He played 6 games and a total of 37 minutes. We would be judging him on the equivalent of one games starters minutes. He was not nearly as impressive in his 21 games, 7.9 MPG, 165 minutes with Philadelphia.
Being a backup PG in the NBA isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Being a backup ANYTHING....

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Doesn't Crawford playing PG want to make you puke? Crawford only played PG when Paul was injured, he brought the ball up sometimes, but that's different from playing PG. With Paul at 34 MPG and Bledsoe at 14, all Pag minutes were gone when both were healthy, thankfully. Crawford 7-10 minutes at PG would not have been pleasant to watch. There are a lot of gym rats in the NBA, some succeed, some don't, some don't post pics to tell anyone about....

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Wayns is a tough one, I'd like him back, but his play was too small of a sample size. He played 6 games and a total of 37 minutes. We would be judging him on the equivalent of one games starters minutes. He was not nearly as impressive in his 21 games, 7.9 MPG, 165 minutes with Philadelphia.
Being a backup PG in the NBA isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Being a backup ANYTHING....

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^ Exactly! This is a MAJOR reason why we lost and why VDN was a bad coach to me. He tried playing the whole roster at times and that was supposedly our "strength" but it's completely different in the playoffs. VDN didn't have a tighter rotation between our starting 5 and some of the bench, incorporating only the best from the bench. And to be honest our starting sucks BAD. DJ has no BBIQ and no hustle, Butler and Billups and DJ....

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Seriously Vinny was a joke. Then he disrespects Hill and doesn't play him once in the playoffs until game 6? Like WTF was he thinking? ....

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He was probably thinking Grant Hill is 41 years old and isn't much of anything anymore, and rarely played more than 5 minutes a game most nights during the regular season. Thus he wasn't a part of our Tribe Called Bench really at all. What were the chances Grant Hill went off or made a giant contribution to this team that would have helped us beat Memphis? Probably 2% max. ....

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if we dont bring back billups we will have to get a pg at the vet min. good luck finding a quality backup better than billups. he doesn't have to close out games. he just needs to keep the lead when cp3 goes out or help shoot us out of a slump. he can draw fouls and get the other teams bigs in foul trouble. no rookie gets calls. we can bring back guys like waynes with promise for cheap....

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if we dont bring back billups we will have to get a pg at the vet min. good luck finding a quality backup better than billups. he doesn't have to close out games. he just needs to keep the lead when cp3 goes out or help shoot us out of a slump. he can draw fouls and get the other teams bigs in foul trouble. no rookie gets calls. we can bring back guys like waynes with promise for cheap....

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We need to get a starting sg and sf this year, then Billups (if he stays) can go back to his preferred and natural position, pg....as a back up that is. ....

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We need to get a starting sg and sf this year, then Billups (if he stays) can go back to his preferred and natural position, pg....as a back up that is.
Exactly my thoughts. Billups can help lead the second unit and play at his perferred position at PG where he's better at. Getting a starting SF and SG is top priority. I feel like DJ is going to stay, but the new coach is going to make him work and hustle. ....

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Benches get minimized come playoff time as we all learned the hard way this year. Even the Spurs are going to the finals because of their dominance from starters while their bench has been mostly absent in these playoffs. It's not bad to have good bench players but we don't need to put resources into backup PG really.
Benches are only minimized if they get outplayed by the other team's bench. Memphis won because of their stars, but the Clippers....

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^ Exactly! This is a MAJOR reason why we lost and why VDN was a bad coach to me. He tried playing the whole roster at times and that was supposedly our "strength" but it's completely different in the playoffs. VDN didn't have a tighter rotation between our starting 5 and some of the bench, incorporating only the best from the bench. And to be honest our starting sucks BAD. DJ has no BBIQ and no hustle, Butler and Billups and DJ....

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No one is against Billups as a backup PG except for maybe him. As a Clipper he's either a 13-14 MPG backup or he's playing some SG, and I just don't want him at SG. Maybe if Crawford wasn't a 6th man. No one wants him starting. In terms of role, he could find other options: Indiana: current backup PG, D.J. Augustin, sign Billups. Hill 28 mins / Billups 20 mins Houston: I know they have Lin and , but Billips could be....

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So we basically would have the same team. And we'll drop out in the first or second round again. Because we still have gimpy Butler and softy DJ. ....

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I don't see a scenario in which the clippers don't dip into the luxury tax this upcoming season, unless they want another 1st round exit. I've seen others mention this but, we went from having a very young/promising team in 2011/2012 to an slow/old team this year. Veteran "savvy" is overrated sometimes, and Billups was a prime example of that when he brought no intangibles and was painful to watch in the quarter of the season that he actually played. I....

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^How many points is Afflalo guaranteed in the playoffs though, during winning time? Maybe 15 points, but it if it takes 14-15 FGA, then what exactly is the value there? Go check his playoff numbers, and he's an above average defender, not a high tier one. Luxury is about $70-71M $45.3M add... Paul: $18.7M (8 players) MLE Player(s): ~$5M (at least 9 players) Total Salary: $69M So after signing Paul and using the MLE, Clippers will be close to tax land. Tax when less than $5M....

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Afflalo, relative to Chauncey Billups/Randy Foye/Willie Green is a consistent 3rd option. There are surely better options, but are they available? I do like Dudley who you mentioned in the other thread. And I thought Paul's next contract was 5 years 110 million? Although I'm not sure I ever remember seeing a source on that one. ....

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Benches get minimized come playoff time as we all learned the hard way this year. Even the Spurs are going to the finals because of their dominance from starters while their bench has been mostly absent in these playoffs. It's not bad to have good bench players but we don't need to put resources into backup PG really.
Yep- you're pretty much as good as the best 5 you can put out on the floor during the playoffs. Depth is....

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Billups should retire. He embarrassed himself and was injured 3/4 of the season. He doesn't have it and he's a detriment to the team As far as Hill that last injury killed him. He was shooting less that 50% in shoot around. He got better as the year progressed but his shot wasn't there. ....

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