Dennis Rodman: Michael Jordan Trumps LeBron James

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http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9353089

Interesting read but I must say I do agree with rodman a lot...what you'll think

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No debate Jordan > Lebron.

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Jordan def trumps LeBron.

But for Rodman to say LeBron would only be "average" if he played in the 90s is ignorant.

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Rodman is an idiot. He's the same douche who said Larry Bird is overrated, and people only like him because he's white.

Rodman needs to just STFU! Lebron in ANY era would be a top 3 player, no doubt.

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^lebron would still be a superstar in any era. Idk about top 3 in every era. Debatable and close IMO. But most likely top 5.

60s - Wilt, Oscar, Bill Russell, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor

70s - Kareem

80s - Kareem (early 80s), Magic, Jordan, Bird, Hakeem

90s - Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq

2000s - Shaq, Duncan, Kobe

Theres a legit argument for some of these players being better even though I think not all of the above are better than Lebron.

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lobcityhawaii wrote:
clip_joint wrote:
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9353089

Interesting read but I must say I do agree with rodman a lot...what you'll think

No debate Jordan > Lebron.

Absolutely he was the better sg....oh wait they played different positions.

Their both on the HOF starting team, along with Magic, Duncan and Wilt or Kareem IMO.

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I think it's pretty lame that Michael Jordan and all of his little lame ass minions are still such arrogant pricks to this day. When Magic, Bird, and MJ came onto the scene........Dr. J passed the torch, like a REAL PROFESSIONAL...

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Debatable and close? Huge underestimation of Lebron. He would be top 3 in any era based on that list.

The only one that might be iffy is the 80s and 90s. He would certainly be better than Kareem in the 80s who was no longer at the peak of his powers. The only player definitively better than him would be Jordan. Bird dropped off massively in the playoffs and had many playoff failures, more so than Lebron. Magic was not as dominant as Lebron. Lebron is the more dominant scorer while Magic was the more dominant playmaker however, the difference is defense. Lebron is a dominant defender while Magic and Bird were not. Hakeem in the 80s was great but he was at the best in the 90s. Now for the 90s. I think there is a good argument for Lebron over 2nd three peat Jordan, Hakeem who was truly only ultra dominant in 94-95 and dropped off towards the end of the 90s and maybe even Shaq.

Overall, I don't see much of an argument for him NOT being top 3 in any given era. Oh and yea he is easily more dominant than Kobe and Shaq after 03 dropped off massively.

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I think that there is a feasible argument with what rodman points out. In reality we can't transport LeBron back in time to really find out so its all opinion based anyways. Lebron thinks that Chicago and Indiana are too physical. They would punish guys for doing some of his stuff in the 80's and 90's and wouldn't really just be beat by your athleticism. I'm not a fan of his offensive skills, he's really just an athletic freak. He can beat you to the basket but his offensive moves in my opinion are slightly above average at best. His crossover and step back are nothing too great as well as his post moves which are visible when he is not covered by someone half his size. There is also the argument of the big men in the league then and now. Would hibbert, gasol, howard, chandler, and noah be the cream of the crop as centers in the 90's; I don't really thinks so and i'm a fan of all those players. I believe that Hibbert and Noah as well as Chanler really give james trouble, what would he do when running into dual threats like mourning and Johnson or ewing and Oakley.

Since its all hypothetical you can argue that james would adjust his game to be on par with the times. the truth is we will never now, he definitely has some of the tools. before this season I didn't really think he had the drive and fire, but he has been proving me wrong lately while bosh and wade just watch him takeover.

LuvUsumU- i'm a big MJ fan and supporter, but you have a great point of DrJ vs MJ. That guy left the game to the young guys and let them take it over with no squabble from what I can remember. I don't remember him coming back and saying anything like MJ, I was young when he left but that is how I remember it. In MJ's defense a lot of it is fed from today's media which hypes some of the stupidest crap ever. Guys like TJ simers and Skip bayless live off hyping up the stupidest things possible. I mean look at the media eating up karl Malone leaving mj and magic off his imaginary starting 5 when he even kept himself off of it too.

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Shaq dropped off big time but not Kobe, he was barely hitting his prime, if that(he was only 25/26)

As for second three peat Jordan he still dominated the game, he retired on top of the game and IMO against his will because Jerry Krause(owner of bulls) was a cheap skate and didn't want to pay to keep the team together.

If Lebron played in that era, MJ would have beat him too, just like everybody else that crossed his path, MJ was on a mission and when he finally got a taste of that gold, he wanted nothing else less.

And this coming a HUGE Lebron fan. But I'm old enough where I was able to watch MJ in his prime and LBJ now and entering his prime. Right now MJ is better hands down.

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I think the NBA has somewhat pu$$ified the game, and the players have fallen in line because they've kinda have to. And as you mentioned in your post, this is just speculation of course. But I truly think Lebron would've been an absolute monster if he had grown up in the 80's. His hard fouls would've drawn the curtains on guys.

And in regard to the thing I posted about Jordan being a bitter old man and not letting go of his legacy.........I completely agree with you about the media. Today, the media is so much quicker and more efficient about getting information out there it's not even funny. And guys like Bayless just want to spin comments and paint pictures about players that aren't even good renditions of who those people are.

It's sad. I think Lebron James is probably closest to being a remarkably athletic, modern day Magic......but the media and that stupid "Decision" show ruined him. Now, half the nation wants him to fail.......but honestly, the Jordan/Lebron thing is a stupid apples n' oranges comparison.

There's been guys like Ice Man, David Thompson, Nique, and especially Kobe that played like less talented versions of MJ with similar styles of play. There's never been an NBA player quite like Lebron James...

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Lebron was almost choking in the last game, we'll see how he does tonight.

You know if they would of lost it would of been blamed mainly on those costly turnovers he had towards the end of the fourth I think it was. Jordan killed in those situations, but he was a better shooter so he had more options.

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