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Marc Stein's twitter

"There's a rising belief around the NBA that Doc, KG & Pierce all want to carry on as a trio in Clipperland if they can't roll on in Boston."

"Can Clips really pull off trifecta and get all three Celtics legends into their organization? That'll be your first NBA drama post-Finals."

"Cash and draft considerations in exchange for Doc? Separate trades for Garnett and Pierce without surrendering Blake Griffin? All do-able."

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Found something else:

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/cli ... uld-happen

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Let's get the crackin'. lol

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Summary of the espn article by stein:

Paul pierce and Kevin Garnett for Bledsoe, butler, and DJ can be done per new CBA.

Cp3, Wayns

Green, Crawford

Pierce, Barnes (resign)

Griffin

KG

We would need more depth on the front line with turiaf, hollins and Odom free agents. That starting lineup with Crawford and Barnes is definitely better than this past years team. For trying to win it all its great, but for the future, not so much. But if we resign cp3, we need to go all out to win within the next 2-3 seasons. If we can gain depth, we can try preserve pierce and kg for the playoffs.

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I didn't read it, but are they saying the trade is made with an agreement with Boston to waive Pierce because that is a far better deal than paying $15M for him. Then he signs here after being waived. Bled shouldn't be going. DJ, 25th and their money savings should be enough for KG.

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Getting two guys who are on the downward slide without future stars is suicide.

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why don't u just read it? just a few paragraphs. pretty interesting

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Didn't we already try this with Hill and Chauncey?

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Ralph Lawler is retweeting quotes about BOS/CLIPS rumors. Hopefully that means there is definite traction picking up with this rumor.

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FightOnRon wrote:
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Getting two guys who are on the downward slide without future stars is suicide.

Didn't we already try this with Hill and Chauncey?

Difference is that Pierce and/or KG can still play at a high level for a fairly large number of games, whereas Chauncey just shot the lights out once or twice.

Plus, whenever KG retires (next summer or the following) they would have a crap load of cap space with just CP3, Crawford and Blake.

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GoClipShow wrote:
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Getting two guys who are on the downward slide without future stars is suicide.

Didn't we already try this with Hill and Chauncey?

Difference is that Pierce and/or KG can still play at a high level for a fairly large number of games, whereas Chauncey just shot the lights out once or twice.

Plus, whenever KG retires (next summer or the following) they would have a crap load of cap space with just CP3, Crawford and Blake.

Oh don't get me wrong,I am willing to give that a year go, as long as CP3 stays.

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I'm luke-warm on the idea of gambling on KG/Pierce/Doc for a title run. I think our chances increase but KG and Pierce would be another year older (for all we know they could crash and burn, at their age, injuries start to pile up and production really drops). The positive if things don't work out is that the clippers could potentially have a good amount of cap space when KG/Pierce retire (although rumors say that the clippers might have to take on Terry and possibly other contracts). So I suppose I'm fine with the clippers making the blockbuster trade but the most I'd give up is DJ/Bledsoe/Caron/#25 and that's it. **** giving up a bunch of assets when we could just get Hollins/Shaw and sign Pierce for the MLE.

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GoClipShow wrote:
FightOnRon wrote:
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Getting two guys who are on the downward slide without future stars is suicide.

Didn't we already try this with Hill and Chauncey?

Difference is that Pierce and/or KG can still play at a high level for a fairly large number of games, whereas Chauncey just shot the lights out once or twice.

Plus, whenever KG retires (next summer or the following) they would have a crap load of cap space with just CP3, Crawford and Blake.

Well actually a bigger difference is that Chauncey was coming off an Achilles injury and Hill was a 10/4/2/.500 TS player the season before and was injured a lot.

I mean the comparison is just that they are older players, nothing else is actually comparable.

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tha_situation wrote:
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I didn't read it, but are they saying the trade is made with an agreement with Boston to waive Pierce because that is a far better deal than paying $15M for him. Then he signs here after being waived. Bled shouldn't be going. DJ, 25th and their money savings should be enough for KG.

why don't u just read it? just a few paragraphs. pretty interesting

Was too early in the morning, my brain wasn't fully functioning to read.

I guess the "advantage" to trading is still keeping the MLE as opposed to having to use it on Pierce, but then you are also $4M higher in salary. The other advantage is that you can sign him for a lower contract next season without having to use your MLE, but if you signed him for two years with MLE this year, you keep your MLE.

If both a traded for, you would have 5 players (Paul re-signed) making $68M. Luxury is at $71M, so you're definitely paying that now. If you can do DJ + 25th for Garnett, future first for Doc (still don't like this trading pick for a coach), and an agreement to waive Pierce. After signing Paul, you have $65M and 8 players. You sign Pierce for MLE, $70M and 9 players. Probably still a better situation than $68M with only 5 players signed.

Interestingly enough you could keep Bledose and play him like Avery Bradley at SG, but you have the burden of his increasing contract the next season.

You can package Butler + Bledsoe $10.6M to another team with space for less contracts coming back. Afflalo and Nicholson seems like a good option, but it isn't forward thinking. Afflalo basically has three more years as he will pick up his contract.

Ideally you want to have a two year plan, so Pierce and Garnett are off the books then you have cap space to to after younger third guy to put around Blake and Paul. Afflalo means you have a down year in 15-16 as you wait for him to expire. That is unless you make one final push with Garnett and Pierce, but I think two years will be their max. You also don't want to use up the space you get from them after 14/15, so you would need to sign some one year contracts to fill out the roster. Wait out till summer of 2016 when you could theoretically have Blake ($20M), Paul ($23.2M), Nicsholson ($2.4M), 1st round pick from 14/15 or 15/16 ($1M), 2 second round picks ($1.4M) signed.

Total: $48M + draft pick cap hold, ~$49M

You can move Nicholson who will be contract wise in the same place that Bledsoe is now, so that would give you about $12M. You would also have the option to do a sign and trade because at $46.6M in salary you would be in position to do so.

So 6 players at $49M if you keep Nicholson. Say you sign and trade for a SF (Durant Wink) or a C (Roy Hibbert who picked up his option). Paul would be on his 4th year, he could decline his 5 year and get a longer contract but less money per year. Something like 4 years / $48M putting him at $12M a year until he is 36. Blake will also be in his last year, and I'm not sure how his new contract would work, but he would be making $20M.

So in 17/18 you could have Paul $12M, Blake ($21.5M?), third guy ($15-20M depending on who it is), 2 first round draft picks, MLE signing(s), 3 second round draft picks (if they stick).

You would pay tax in 16/17 because of Paul, but after his new contract you won't. You could have 9+ players making between $60-65M. So you can fill out the roster without even going into luxury. And you would have your first round draft pick, maybe if you didn't use it in sign and trade, and your MLE for that year. Of course the next year one of your firsts gets his extensions, etc, but it's a reasonable financial situation.

That's how the team needs to be thinking in terms of building, and maybe even pitch that to a guy like Paul.

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I would be willing to trade for Garnett but not for what they are asking.They want DJ,Bledsoe,and picks?Lol no way should we do that for a 1-2 year rental of Garnett.I get that we also get Doc but we would be giving up way too much imo.I would do DJ for Garnett straight up and our 25th pick and cash for Doc.Then if they want to buy out Peirce,we can sign him but we should not trade for Peirce,that doesn't make any sense.Then ship Bledsoe and Butler to Orlando for Affalo and Vucevic.

Then our roster would look like this:

PG:CP3(Resign),Maalik Wayns

SG:Affalo,Crawford

SF:Peirce,Barnes(Resign)

PF:BG

C:Garnett,Vucevic

All we would need to do is sign a back up Point Guard and and back up Power Forward and we would have a great chance at a title under Doc.This would be a great team if our FO can pull it off but they can't let Boston take advantage of them.Bledsoe is our best trading piece and letting him go for a coach and a player who is about a year or 2 tops from retiring just isn't smart.

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the best would be if we could trade DJ/Bled for KG and Doc with the understanding that Pierce is bought out and signs for midlevel. then you can still try the Iggy S&T with Caron/Willie and a pick. Anybody ever had a BIG-5 before? Won't happen but jeez. CP Iggy Pierce Blake KG. Decent team.

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Holly Hell, if this were to happen and this is a huge "if" but we would be lookin at Mr. Larry O'Brien real soon.

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Things are getting serious!

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--celti ... 09995.html

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If Celtics and Clippers can finalize a deal that includes Doc Rivers, Kevin Garnett will waive his no-trade clause, league sources tell Y!

Final major hurdle to a Doc-KG-Clippers deal, league sources tell Y! Sports: Boston GM Danny Ainge's desire for Eric Bledsoe to be in trade.

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It better be a two unprotected first round picks because I don't see why Denver would want Caron Butler and Willie Green for Iggy. I'm pretty sure they can get more from another team than that pair of misfits. And I'm pretty sure we will be giving the Celtics many of our picks so we can talk to Doc Rivers.

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It's heating up fast. I think something comes down today or tomorrow.

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Sounds that way. Celtics want closure and the Clips need to move on to another coach if this doesn't work out.

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^ I do too.

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It seems Bledsoe might actually not be involved. I also read that the Celtics want us to take Courtney Lee. I'll gladly do that.

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Yes, Lee would a good addition for his pay. Hope Jason Terry isn't a part of the deal though. Not needed with Crawford on this team. Although I prefer Terry over Crawford if I had to choose.

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OMG. What seemed like a fantasy now seems possible. If (and I still think it's a big "if") we were to do this it would benefit Blake greatly to have a KG around...even if they don't win a championship right away. Just like Chauncey was saying, acquire a veteran big man to be an influence on Blake. KG is that kind of guy.

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I know i'm gonna be in the major minority, but i'm gonna be a little upset if the want to keep Bledsoe stops this from getting done. Getting Doc makes CP3 a virtual lock to re-sign, making Bledsoe a lot less useful.

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slestack11 wrote:
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the best would be if we could trade DJ/Bled for KG and Doc with the understanding that Pierce is bought out and signs for midlevel. then you can still try the Iggy S&T with Caron/Willie and a pick. Anybody ever had a BIG-5 before? Won't happen but jeez. CP Iggy Pierce Blake KG. Decent team.

It better be a two unprotected first round picks because I don't see why Denver would want Caron Butler and Willie Green for Iggy. I'm pretty sure they can get more from another team than that pair of misfits. And I'm pretty sure we will be giving the Celtics many of our picks so we can talk to Doc Rivers.

But Iggy is unrestricted so he has leverage to say give me to the Clips or I walk & u get nothing. They can't find the best trade for them cuz he's not theirs'.

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If we can get kg without giving up Bledsoe, that would be great! DJ and draft picks sound like a steal!

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Assistant Ty Lue comes with Doc if this deal goes down.

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If you're near a TV, they will be talking about this on ESPNEWS shortly.

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If Bledsoe is involved I would be extremely disappointed.DJ,Bledsoe,and 2 first rounders for KG and Rivers makes no sense at all even if we do get Peirce in FA.We're giving up way too much,I don't think the FO will give up this much but I think Sterling and CP3 might be in favor of this trade which could influence our FO to make the trade.

If we have to give up Bledsoe than I wouldn't give them any picks,and the Celtics would have to throw Avery Bradley and maybe a 2nd or late 1st rounder our way.If Celtics have Rondo and Bledsoe then it is very likely one of them will be traded and who ever it is the Celtics would get a lot for either.So we can't let them sucker us for DJ and Bledsoe and two first rounders,that is just a horrible move.

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Think more players are going to be involved from the Celtics side.

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If the Clips can keep Bledsoe out of the trade they can then make the deal for Afflalo. Butler and Bledsoe for Afflalo and the Clips could then wait and see if Pierce will be bought out to fill the spot left open by trading Butler. If Pierce isn't traded to another team or bought out the Clips can use the MLE to fill the SF need with any other free agents. Clips could have a starting lineup of Paul, Afflalo, Pierce if he is bought out, Griffin, and Garnett. The key is keeping Bledsoe out of the Garnett deal.

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I sort of think the clippers can't trade Bledsoe until cp3 officially signs. Verbal agreements aren't enough. Although unlikely, its possible cp3 will still leave even with doc rivers. We would be without a pg. I guess we would just go after Brandon Jennings in that event. However, with Bledsoe on the team, we could use the extra money on iguodala if cp3 leaves.

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talks getting heated LETS FUCKIN GO!!

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its obvious clips want to keep bledsoe so they can trade him for affallo after they get kg/rivers...probably prefer him over pierce

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Keep ebled trade Jordan pls

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HUGE asset and future head coach. This would be great to get him.

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so if clips get kg/rivers for dj + picks...then trade affallo for bledsoe butler...are they able to sign pierce for the mle after hes bought out? (why would he stay if rivers kg left)

cp/idgaf

affallo/crawford

pierce/barnes? i don't think we have the money for him anymore

griffin/odom probably

kg/FA pickup

DOC RIVERS

I can't believe this is even possible! What a freakin roster that can be!

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I'm holding out hope that we can get more than afflallo for Bledsoe and butler. Maybe not enough for sign and traded iggy, but something in that ballpark.

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clippers are making me proud. loyalty pays of man it really does

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slestack11 clips have already said they want one more asset in the trade with orl, they told them at summer draft camp

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That makes sense, we've been burned before. However, I have to believe if talks are getting this serious, that Doc has talked to Chris himself and feels comfortable with it.

Just my .02

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GoClipShow wrote:
slestack11 wrote:

I sort of think the clippers can't trade Bledsoe until cp3 officially signs. Verbal agreements aren't enough. Although unlikely, its possible cp3 will still leave even with doc rivers. We would be without a pg. I guess we would just go after Brandon Jennings in that event. However, with Bledsoe on the team, we could use the extra money on iguodala if cp3 leaves.

That makes sense, we've been burned before. However, I have to believe if talks are getting this serious, that Doc has talked to Chris himself and feels comfortable with it.

Just my .02

I think baron Davis spoke with Elton brand before signing.

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sounds like if we miss out on doc, lionel hollins will be hired

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That's different. This is a coach picking up and moving to the opposite end of the country because of what he believes he will have to work with.

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slestack11 wrote:
GoClipShow wrote:
slestack11 wrote:

I sort of think the clippers can't trade Bledsoe until cp3 officially signs. Verbal agreements aren't enough. Although unlikely, its possible cp3 will still leave even with doc rivers. We would be without a pg. I guess we would just go after Brandon Jennings in that event. However, with Bledsoe on the team, we could use the extra money on iguodala if cp3 leaves.

That makes sense, we've been burned before. However, I have to believe if talks are getting this serious, that Doc has talked to Chris himself and feels comfortable with it.

Just my .02

I think baron Davis spoke with Elton brand before signing.

Completely different scenario. Doc ain't coming if there's no Paul.

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Quote:
Baxter Holmes @BaxterHolmes

Source said he'd be "shocked" if Celtics took anything less than Jordan, Bledsoe, & 2 picks, maybe 1 first-rounder.

https://twitter.com/BaxterHolmes/status/346019549709225984

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/15/4 ... ade-rumors

Kevin Garnett would waive no-trade clause to join Clippers, according to report

I hope this is not a double post, I just open this. Rumors or true, it makes me feel good. Smile

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Woj saying Sterling is willing to spend 7 mill a year for Doc shows how much he's changed! Tokowitz wants dem rings.

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