Clippers 2013 Summer League Schedule, Roster & Signings (P. 8)

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Voyeur
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I'm pretty sure that was a terrible flop by Samuels. Another great game for Bullock!

Clippersfan86
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My new basketball crush aka my new Bledsoe= Reggie Bullock. So fun to watch.

Voyeur
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The hell happened to Bullock's FT's?

Clippersfan86
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Hahaha love that Bullocks flagrant foul. Serious though Wayns good God...

Clippersfan86
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He has Jamal Crawford syndrome. Great shooter when guarded, terrible when left alone. He's bricked like 3 techs BADLY now in these summer league games and can't hit a wide open 3 to save his life. It's when he's guarded that he starts hitting.

Clippersfan86
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Oh I like Randle btw. He's looking SO much more poised tonight than last game.

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Good effort by Bullock again tonight. 20 pts, 5 boards, 4 assists. I'm reassessing Samuels. He looked like a dufus out there tonight. Sad to say Davies just isn't doing what he needs to do to get a spot on the roster. The other bigs seem to have one good game, then some not so great games.

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bullock will be fine, come training camp. he will get his ft stroke back. randle looked great out there. much better than wayns

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Bullock and MAYBE Randle if he tears it up again Friday will be the only ones at training camp. Samuels has fallen off BAD these last two games and coaches were constantly yelling at him for flopping and whining over calls.

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Thanks for all the impressions. I'm really glad to hear about Bullock. It would be nice to have some miracle big-man emerge out of nowhere but that just doesn't seem realistic, so to at least have our late first-rounder playing well is good news.

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Randle allowed Mekel to get past him every damn time.

Voyeur
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Yeah, I'm a little deflated about Samuels. He started off so well.

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I know this a lil bit off base, does anybody else think samuels looks like big baby Davis?

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lol he's a premature big baby davis

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http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

Bullock is ranked number 6 on the summer league rookie ladder ... not bad

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davies impressed me today. a lot of energy and a soft touch for a big.

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Yup and he finished the summer league averaging 18 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.2 apg. Just Summer League sure but this isn't common for a 25th pick. His poise and defensive have been nice too.

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Jerome Randle averaged 5.4 assists during the tournament. That's only behind Dennis Schroder of the Hawks who averaged 5.6 assists. (Schroder also averaged 31.6 minutes, 4 games of 30+ minutes, while Randle 21.6 minutes, 1 game 30+ minutes). In games where Randle played over 20 minutes he averaged 8 points, 4.33 rebounds, and 7.33 assists (That's over 11.25 PER 40).

In the end, was this small sample size enough to sneak him in higher favor for the Clippers? Who's more likely to get signed, Wayns or Randle?

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^^Welcome to Clippers Topbuzz, Flushyriver! It will be an uphill battle for either one of those guys to be retained to start the season, but if one of them play their hearts out during camp & pre-season, who knows. Randle has looked pretty good. Waynes looked good early but then started to struggle a bit as he tried to do too much.

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Problem is both PG's turned the ball over at an insane rate. No doubt Randle outplayed Wayns big time though. Welcome to CTB.

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Thank you! I'm glad to finally find an interactive Clipper community. I'm expecting that one of the two remaining roster spots will be a third point guard signed at a minimum cost (though it'd be a bit more exciting if I was told otherwise). I personally think Wayns wasn't as outplayed as the numbers indicate and is probably the safer choice of the two. Plus if you throw out the game against the D-League Selects where he played 10 minutes and turned over the ball 7 times, he has been far better at keeping possession of the ball. Plus he's 6 foot 2 (more like 6 1.5 but still). My bet is to see him on the roster for the half million or whatever. But what do you guys think?

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I was a big supporter of bringing Wayns back as a 3rd PG but have been disgusted by his lack of simple fundamentals in SL. The guy can't make simple entry passes to the post without turning it over and his sloppy handles have him dribbling the ball right into defenders hands. I'm all for continuity and NBA experience but just a personal opinion that Randle outplayed him pretty bad. I think we will cut Wayns and sign a veteran PG for 3rd spot or sign Randle. After we add 1 final big though.

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Ugh that's very disappointing to hear :/ Hate to lose youth, always feels like such a failure.

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Well I love youth when it has upside. Wayns was great in limited sample for us last year, which is why I expected way more from him in SL. I was disappointed because even myself (a non NBA player) wouldn't have made all the stupid plays he made in SL. Like they were mind boggingly bad.

For example post entry passes with two defenders fronting the player you are attempting to pass to. Or trying to crossover two defenders standing side by side to form a wall. Just thinks like this that made me Confused Confused

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I agree he overdid it early in games, but I think the idea was that he was expected to be outperforming the "scrubs" he was up against and he thought he should be able to fully exert himself. No way he would ever play like that against real NBA rosters. He's not meant to be the second or third best guy on the roster and that showed. I mean If they're going to pay a Derek Fisher/Mike James veteran near the same to play 3rd string PG...

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bullock impresses me for numerous reasons. Aside from rebounding and passing you can see him pestering his player. He doesn't let up and guards the guy until the play is over. He reminds me of bledsoe in the fact that he hustles and wants the coaching staff to notice his efforts

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I just don't see any point to Wayns or really any 3rd string PG. We have too much talent at the wing positions to even use a 3rd string PG. If CP goes down, Collison plays 35minutes and the remaining minutes are Miami Heat type lineups. Redick, Jamal, Dudley and two bigs for instance.

IMO we already go 5 deep at PG. We need bigs, shouldn't use a roster spot for a practice squad PG who will never get to suit up unless there's a ton of injuries.

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By the way, how terrible was our SL team? LOL

Other than Reggie, of course! But just one win?

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Well considering our team was light on true prospects with the 1 up and coming in Bullock and a cast of speculative hopefuls...

Most teams have at least two NBA roster players, but still, I have to admit I thought the team was better when they beat the Hawks. Turns out the Hawks were just worse. Oh well.

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we already know that Wayns didnt do good in SL.

Samuels, had its ups and downs.

But what do you think about Davies?

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Read a Las Vegas Journal where he [Davies] thinks he did enough to make a mark going into camp and if you think about it, the one game he played significant minutes he played very well and Tyronn Lue had nothing but high praise. That combined with the fact that his contract is partially guaranteed, he might actually be in the mix at frontcourt though he shouldn't be. Personally I think we need something more in our frontcourt (i.e. in size if not in skill) if we want hope of never seeing the Mullens/Hollins duo ever.

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I guess I don't understand why they didn't give Davies more playing time. I mean, if they were really really interested in potentially signing him on. Why wouldn't he play almost Bullock type minutes? I'm kinda rooting for the guy.

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5 deep? O.o Lol I think that's not all that true. Besides the fact that I don't think Doc wants Redick at point no matter what instance, PG is just generally a position you want to be deep in if possible. Last season for instance we had Paul, Bledsoe, and Wayns when we had Billups at the two (a far more likely point replacement). Plus bringing in cheap big guys is usually far more discontinuous, but I guess we'll see what they end up doing going forward.

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^ i think he meant that u have two extra guys that can play point if needed in crawford and redick. btw, redick is not a bad pg. he can play the position quite well

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Think he and his agent messed up thinking he needed to Jack up really long shots to show the clippers something. His strengths of active play and being a good post player is the reason he got a one year deal he should of showed more of that instead because when he did he looked great. He is good out of the post passer and had some Blake like moments of driving and kicking it out to open shooters.

I will give him somewhat of a pass because the bench guards were looking to score more times than they should of so posting was useless. He did look to set screens to get players open when he figured he wouldn't get the ball so it shows he won't just ball watch.

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What does discontinuous mean in that context? Serious question.

Crawford started at PG at his last team. They sucked but still. I'm sure you and Doc have had some long talks about Redick's ability to play PG but we're talking about 4th string here.

The team that won the last two championships has a starting PG who is worse than our back up. When he's not in the game, they just run with 3 wings. It seems to be working fairly well for them.

We just have too much talent in Redick, Jamal, Dudley, and Barnes not to keep them on the floor as much as possible. In the unlikely event that CP3 goes down, we're much better off running with Redick and Jamal at guard spots rather than trying to keep a formal PG just because. I'd rather have those guys on the court vs. a D-league PG.

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COMPARED TO WHAT!?

Lol no but I meant discontinuous like a 1 year roster plug in that has a definite ceiling that is known going in. I didn't mean for that to sound like I had the insider with Doc and I actually agree that it'd make more sense to fill the spots with utility 3rd string bigs, but if the idea is that they won't get much playing time then I just thought they would head where the upside is greater regardless of the position. If at this point you're paying a guy to play very little, if not zero amount of time and the guys that are available are sub par talents then bringing in one big (hopefully odom, KMart, Gooden, or johnson) and then pay another million to bring in a veteran for a year to sit on the bench seems less practical. Not to say Wayns is the next up and coming player, but I think they're more likely to pay him 800k to grow on the roster than a sixth big (who could get more than 800k) to decline on it.

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Mavs waived Bernard James. He's on a cheap rookie contract. Wonder if we can claim him on waivers. He'd fill in nicely as another big man on the roster. He's a developing talent, cheap and showed some good skills last season.

Looks like Bullock is playing solid Summer League ball as well, which is a nice surprise.

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It depends. what do you want in your 3rd pg? to be him a scorer or a facilitator? Wayns to me is a scorer, and with crawford, green , the wings...it doesnt make sense to me.

5 deep: CP3, Collison , JJ, JCraw, and Green (although i never saw him play as a pg, he is a combo guard)

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Someone please tell me Wayns and Davies aren't making this final roster...

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NBATV has been playing nothing but Boston Celtics games for, like, a week. Right now they're broadcasting the playoff series against the Orlando Magic. Gives me an opportunity to watch Redick at work. I definitely like his defense. There's one moment where they called a foul on him against Paul Pierce but his defense was actually perfect. I didn't even realize Matt Barnes played on that same Orlando team.

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Hmmm...not sure why I posted ^ on this thread. I saw "roster" in the title and thought it was a different one. My bad.

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Yeah probably doesn't fit here, but whatever.

I live in Orlando and was here during that Finals run with Howard so I knew that. Saw Matt Barnes at Sams Club once with his family. It was awesome. Dude has been around though. We should start playing 6 degrees of Matt Barnes with NBA players. xD

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