Eric Bledsoe for DeMar DeRozan/Andrea Bargnani Rumor (P. 4)

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AirGriffin
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Yup, the Clippers need a steal. we need that next pillar besides CP and BG.

Get a real Center like Drummond and try to sign sign Delfino, Mayo, Kirlinko, etc. there are great options out there.

Fill up our starter spots with way above average players.

tense2
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You loved Bledsoe and stated in the past (a few months ago) when I asked you specifically if you thought EB could play sg and you answer was an

emphatic YES. Now you've just realized he's only 6'-1" and could get 10 mil and he can't guard the guys you just mentioned...hmmm.

The only one out of that bunch, that is actually a SG's and play the majority of minutes there and is a really tough coverage is Kobe. I think The Beard and Wade would be in that Kobe group obviously and their a rough coverage for any sg, tall or short.

The rest of the average to above average group of SG's I don't see a problem for him to be able to defend well especially with his length.

I'll take the overall shorter better player for 10 mil, then the taller average DeRozan for 9.5.

tense2
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Their not trading Drummond.

ClipperSam
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My understanding is the deal is for both Toronto players not one. I really think that Andrea and Derozan would be awesome. I Think Derozan is a stud and we can put Andrea at the 3

He can hit 3pts and would be a Mismatch for other teams. Also

Derozan is very close to being a All-Star. I would hate to give up bled. But this deal to me is the best one I have seen!

realbull17
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the thread title should be changed butler for bargnani. bledsoe is not involved.

tense2
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Bargnani has never played the sf position and he'd really get killed on defense there, when he's already bad enough. He'd play at the 4 where he wasn't that "bad"' but not for the money you'd have to fork out for that over paid one trick pony.

There are much better less "costly" deals out there.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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I'd love these guys if we were a 25 win team, not a playoff team. Bargnani is injury prone and his only good asset is that he's tall and can shoot the 3.

DeRozan is one of thee most inconsistent players I have ever seen in my life. I know this because I've had him on my fantasy team for the last couple of years. He'll get you 22, 31, 20 points then 4, 6, 3, 9, 8, 7, 11, 8, 14, 6 etc all in a row. He isn't a very good shooter either, and his best asset is that he gets to the line. His defense is highly suspect as well.

If the Clippers do trade for DeRozan, I liked what ESPN said about sending Butler for Bargnani. THAT I can live with.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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Also, is it just me or is anyone curious as to what the Pistons may or may not be offering for Eric Bledsoe? If the name Drummond pops up I'd ship out DJ in a heartbeat. Drummond will be the #1 center in this league within 3 years from this date.

tense2
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Their not trading Drummond.

Voyeur
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I have to admit not being very familiar with Bargnani's work. Dang he's got touch from everywhere. His best years have seen him go to the line at least 5 times a game. Can block shots.

The only issue is rebounding and overall defense. But he's played for one team the whole time. I'm starting to wonder just what this guy could do under Doc.

tense2
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Rather get good all round player and see what he can achieve under Doc, then hoping for an over paid average offensive player to be better, who isn't very good at anything else.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nan01.html

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/314-andrea-bargnani

Amnesty_David_Stern
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My guess is it would be someone like Stunkey and yes I said Stunkey not Stuckey. OR, maybe Greg Monroe. Pistons don't have anyone we really need honestly, I mean we could use some of their bench players but they make a good amount of cash, and the Pistons aren't going to give us a draft pick within the next couple of seasons worth a damn either. They will likely put as much protection on any 1st rounder they'd send.

Stunkey is clearly bad, and is not a 2 guard, who is probably the guy they'd try to send. Only other guy I can think of they might want to ditch would be Brandon Knight, who also is neither a PG nor a SG. And we don't need him either. Jerebko would be a solid addition as would Will bynum but clearly for 10-18 MPG guys. I wouldn't trade Bledsoe and probably Butler for bench players and a draft pick we wouldn't see for like 10 years. Leaving only Monroe and Drummond we could ask for, or want.

Agent0
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Yea I mean you just have to think of yourself, my team has Drummond this athletic high school aged guy who did a great job as a rookie big man, what is the lost of players I would trade him for? Basically all th players that other teams wouldn't trade,certnly not a Bledsoe, and I like Bledsoe a lot, but not even close.

CapsNClips
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And that player is......?

Agent0
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Raptors played him at SF when Jermaine O'neal first came, it was Bargnani/Bosh/JO.

It wasn't pretty, JO was later traded for Marion too, lol

Agent0
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If from the Raptors, Amir Johnson, but I don't think they do it.

If in general, well there are many options for that, but depends if you mean in a trade for Bledsoe, or as a big man.

tense2
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Give me a little time and come up with one or two or... Razz

tense2
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Off the top of my head here's a guy with Detroit that we should look.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... bjo01.html

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/80-jonas-jerebko

CapsNClips
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Preferably someone that can be traded straight up for Butler and to a team that would take Butler. Just to make it fair

tense2
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Ariza, Afflalo.

CapsNClips
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Pistons aren't interested in Butler, they wanted bledsoe. Same with Orlando.

Ariza would make sense if they didn't just draft Otto Porter.

clipper*joe
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Hey, has the format changed for anyone? Man, that actually hurts my eyes. lol

CapsNClips
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Yeah it changed, it's awful IMO

Lol, nevermind it's back to normal.

tense2
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Who really knows for sure what both teams want until you start negotiations. Butler's expiring is easily worth those two? I do know they want to rid themselves of those players.

Bled to Detroit for the player I mentioned above plus a 1st rounder.

CapsNClips
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I'd do the Detroit trade but if it was Singler instead. He's deadly from 3.

tense2
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Ok, but I'd still rather have the other guy who can do more, than just shoot 3's. the other guy is below average at the 3pt line, but above average at FG% and rebounding. Plus he's a good defender.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/1268-kyle-singler

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lky01.html

tense2
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Think you need to re-check that Agent. Bargnani wasn't a starter until Bosh got hurt for 15 games. Don't think he's played the sf spot except for maybe a minute or two, lol. He started out a PF.

Anyway we no he can't play the 3 very well.

CapsNClips
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@BaxterHolmes: RT @HowardBeckNYT NYK appear close to acquiring Andrea Bargnani from Toronto, per source. NY offering Camby, Novak, 2 picks (1st rd/2nd rd).

Well, No Barg for us. You can exhale now Tense. He fits really good with NYK. Space the floor for Melo and Tyson.

tense2
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Yea...first NY drafts Hardaway and now this. Perfect. NY, NY what are you doing, lol.

Our NY Knick fan CP3Heliflopter is going to crazy.

CapsNClips
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This just got more interesting.

Bledsoe, Butler for DeRozen, Novak and 1st round pick.

tense2
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Is there a link or is this your idea of a trade?

CapsNClips
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That's just my idea since TOR just got Novie

Andrew818
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Would rather do the Magic deal instead.Affalo fits us a lot better than DeRozen and his contract is cheaper.Novak can lit it up from 3 but can't do anything else.Nicholson is a young PF with some potential who we can trade later on.And I think the Magic's 1st rounder will be higher than the first rounder we would get from the Raptors.Money wise and talent wise the Magic trade is a lot better than the Raptors trade in my opinion.

CapsNClips
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Lol, did the Knicks have to throw in 2 picks to get this deal done? Shouldn't they have been the ones getting picks in this deal.

donudon
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Per Howard Beck of the NY Times "Knicks and Raptors have agreed to deal to send Bargnani to New York. Awaiting league approval."

Good riddance to him and i'm shocked that the knickerbockers would take on Barg's salary and gave away picks to boot!

Andrew818
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Now they got two expensive and injury prone PF's to take up room on the bench.If we still consider doing the trade for DeRozan I would want Camby in it but I don't think he can stay healthy.He is making 4 Mill which is a lot but his money isn't guaranteed the following year.If only he could stay healthy I would love to bring him back.He was like a big brother to the locker room and I think could help DJ out a lot.But it is extremely risky because if he can't stay healthy that means we are paying 4 Mill for a bench warmer.Then it's Ryan Gomes all over again.

clippersforlife33
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i don't get it if we swapped caron butler for bargnani, would he come off the bench? unless they would trade deandre jordan elsewhere and make bargnani our starting center.

realbull17
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bargnani was traded to knicks.

Markojaric
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Masai Ujiri owning the knicks so hard.

TheThinkingSomething
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I don't believe you can trade players you have just received in a trade as a package with other players. Toronto could trade us Novak for something, but not Novak and someone else.

tense2
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The Raptors should have been the ones to throw in picks. lol

tense2
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The Raptors should have been the ones to throw in picks. lol

TheThinkingSomething
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Pretty shabby deal for the Knicks. They aren't just throwing money at their problems, they are throwing money and picks..

CapsNClips
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They are taking a page directly out of the Lakers book.

tense2
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Maybe Isaiah Thomas snuck back into the GM's office.

Agent0
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I've always liked Jerebko, but saw no reason for Detroit to trade him, but he's a player I would want from Detroit, he would be a nice backup forward for this team

Thanks New York for doing this. It's actually not that bad for them, they can't make many moves at their tax level anyways. So they have to take these kind of risks. Bargnani last about the same time as Camby and Novak, actually I think Novak has an extra year. It sets them up to be free of most of their contracts in 2016.

Also the draft pick was one they sorta already owed to Denver

pageC4
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yup. So this trade scenario is over.

Supphector17
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Now that Barg. Is out of the picture I wonder what the raptors can offer?

Also out of all the trade rumors 76ers are in the mix and I like a player in Thaddeus young !?

tense2
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Yes, I think so too.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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Knicks to get Bargnani and remain a horrible franchise that will eventually surpass the Cubs streak of years without a Championship at some point in the history of the Earth. GJ Knicks! I wonder who will lead the Knicks in assists and how many assists per game? Melo don't pass, Amare don't pass, Tyson don't pass, JR don't pass, Bargs don't pass, Felton is a turnover machine.

Maybe Pablo Pridgioni leads the league in assists because he can't do anything but pass the ball with his over the hill butt.

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