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Tony Allen to the Clippers in 2013
Yes for the MLE
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Yes for part of the MLE
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Clippersfan86
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This just in: Source tells me #Clippers no longer targeting Afflalo but Tony Allen, whom Doc coached w/#Celtics

Not good. We need SHOOTING along with defense. Afflalo gives both. I'd love Allen in general but that means we need a lights out shooting 3 instead of Barnes or Butler.

clippersforlife33
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i'd have to agree with you, we really need someone who can shoot lights out

Voyeur
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Yeah, I don't get that at all. Allen did not impress me against OKC or the Spurs in the playoffs. I know he's a good defender...and he can rebound for a SG, but still...

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...I mean we need more consistent shooting, not less.

Clippersfan86
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Comon DocSacks do us proud. You KNOW how bad we need shooting, don't add an undersized 31 year old SG who can't shoot. Afflalo for Bledsoe is still a good deal IMO if we can pry Nicholson and have our backup stretch 4. Then we just need a SF/C upgrade.

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If Allen is gonna be starting, I think it's a great move. We still have Crawford coming off the bench. If we get Allen, ten that means we may trade for granger. Pretty smart move in my opinion cuz most sg in the free agency we can't afford but there's a lot of sg available

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Trade for Granger and try and trade for Novak (Toronto now)

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CapsNClips
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Allen is so much better for us at the 2 than Afflalo. Who's gonna shut down TP, Harden, Westbrook, Steph...etc in the 4th quarter of a playoff game? Not Afflalo. He's a good defender but not one were offensive Juggernauts are going to be thinking twice about taking clutch shots.

Also that leaves us Bledsoe to get Granger who is also a decent defender and can burn any team on any given night from 3.

Just imagine. We'd be the Bad Boy Clippers. CP = Thomas, TA = Dumars, BG = Rodman, DJ = Laimbeer(Lol, sorry Bill)

Voyeur
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Parker's numbers were off the chain against Allen and the Grizzlies in this year's playoffs. Does no one see how this is a terrible fit for us offensively?

david
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Tony Allen is an elite defender and a very good rebounder. The guy is a beast. We failed vs the Grizzlies because we could not defend nor rebound. Having Tony Allen would be HUGE, especially if he doesn't eat up the entire MLE.

That said, Tony Allen is not a good 3 point shooter obviously. But it's invaluable to have a guy like him when you need to slowdown those superstar guards.

GoClipShow
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If it's what Doc wants, he obviously has something in mind for him that he thinks will work, and i'll trust his observation over you couch coaches.

da11da
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As you should, but as fans we still do have opinions. Tony would be great for us if he can shoot. Someone teach that kid some offense.

Andrew818
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I would be ok with Allen as long as we don't give him the whole MLE.I know he struggles offensively but his defense is elite.Since he can only defend and Crawford can only score,I would keep Willie because he does a little of both and can light it up from 3.I like Affalo a lot more and think he is the better fit but I would not mind Allen.

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His offense was pretty good when he played against us during the playoffs. Guy kept slashing to the basket for layups and even hit some jumpers. What hurt us the most though were his defense and all those killer offensive rebounds he got.

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We have a shooting coach. I just hope he coaches the same way he did with BG not the way he did with DJ.

hoopfanjd31
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I love Allen's defense and hustle, obviously, but have major concerns about his lack of offensive. I'd only support the Allen move if we were also able to get a C that's much more of a scoring threat than DJ.

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He's only worth about 3mil. I wouldn't pay him a dime more than that at this point in his career given his skill set. I like him more so for his locker room presence than his actual defense. He's one of those guys who's like KG, because he changes the defensive mentality of the entire team through his presence and intensity alone. He'd be a good fit as a starter if we were able to find a legit 3rd scoring option.

divinebeast
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Tony Allen is a game changer defensively

He quietly wrecked Kevin Durant in the playoffs for about 3 games

I'd love to have him and then use Caron/Bledsoe in a sign and trade for JJ Redick or someone else

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^ agreed. if we sign allen, we need to add korver as a sharpshooter.

Agent0
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You know, I agree, the team needs shooting, and Allen doesn't bring that, but there's a gap between Allen and Afflalo in terms of defense. Afflalo is an above average defender, Allen is a great perimeter defender. At half MLE for example, I'll take Allen and try and get one of those guys that takes 6+ three's a game at SF.

For about $2-2.5M a year, I like the value.

divinebeast
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http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... vin-durant

Scroll down to the playoff logs and tell me you don't want Tony Allen on this team

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Well that was also because Durant was playing as a primary ball handler, a role you don't want him in, with no true secondary ball handler. Now I don't disagree that Allen can defend him quite well, but it wasn't just Allen in the series, it was also the dynamics of OKC, and opening up Chris Paul's game log certainly doesn't make Allen look good, lol

Go back to 10-11, no Gay, Allen again guarded Durant a good amount and while Durant had two awful games, he was >113 Ortg in 5/7 games, and had a 114 Ortg and .568 TS%, but that's partially the benefit of having two other perimeter guys to take the oppositions best defender off you once in a while, but also not being on the ball all game and being able to work in your spots.

I remember a year or two ago they analyzed Durant in the pick and roll, and he sucked at it. Picks just made him less effective and more turnover prone. He's improved, but still not his best thing and Brooks tried to run him with pick and rolls all game vs Memphis. Bad coaching.

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Been saying for a LONG time we would massively benefit from Tony Allen. He can play the 2 or the 3. If Doc wants this current team here ( as in not trading Bledsoe and DJ ) Bledsoe and Allen could both start, we may be a bit small but we'd have defensive monsters out there at the 1, 2 and 3 spots. If DJ can actually learn to play defense we'd be pretty damn awesome.

Sign Barnes and bring back Odom and we'd have Crawford, Barnes, Bullock, Billups and Odom off the bench as our top 5 off the bench. Not too shabby. I'd also consider Turiaf if he takes the vets min just to get a decent backup PF/C.

C'mon Clipps, don't let me down let's get Allen! This would be my 2nd favorite move in Clippers history after the trade for CP3.

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Bledsoe AND Allen starting? You took it too far. It's best to have on of them on the bench if you have both. Start Allen next to a guy like Dorell Wright, bring Bledsoe off the bench, but this would also leave little room for Crawford on the team.

david
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That would be awesome if he'd come for that, but I'm not sure. $3.5 mil might be able to get it done, ~2/3 of the MLE.

divinebeast
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I doubt it

He's looking for money in the full MLE range and someone will give it to him

It should be the Clippers

david
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Not sure about Bledsoe and Allen both starting, but man the perimeter defense would be pretty darn good if we had Chris Paul, Eric Bledsoe and Tony Allen on the court at the same time.

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You can't be cheap with a guy like Allen. Good free agents like him can easily get paid top dollar to go somewhere else, or overpaid to a poor team. Unless he takes less money to come here on his own accord, were going to have to fight to get him.

This won't matter for a year, but keep an eye on Avery Bradley all year long. I have a hunch Doc will make a serious play for him next summer.

da11da
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Asik?? no thank you.

dopeneon2010
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Clips-Magic still discussing Afflalo for Bledsoe/Butler swap, source says. Theory: LA wants to see OJ Mayo/Tony Allen pursuit through first

Amnesty_David_Stern
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Asik rebounds and grinds in the paint. DJ does none of this.

da11da
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You can tell me Asik is going to be the next Hakeem and i still wouldn't want him here.

Agent0
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i don't think he will go to a poor team because a lot of good teams will want him. Man, that's a hard one. I wouldn't mind going up to $3-4M for him for 3 years with a non guaranteed third.

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Ramona Shelburne ‏@ramonashelburne 20m

Clippers do like Tony Allen, but they haven't officially shown much interest yet.

Don't know why, but I feel like TA is a long shot here.

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Some of you really think you can teach a 31-year old player shooting? Allen is a defensive force and that's it. He can't hit a three if his life was on it and he has very questionable jumper altogether. However, if he steals 2 a game, grabs those 4 boards and plays as hard as he's played last few seasons, I am fine with him at the 2. However, we will need a solid long-range SF to cover for that and that is neither Butler nor Barnes nor DeRozan!

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OJ Mayo is still the apple of my eye

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besides his defense and flopping what else is he really good at? lol

ClipsGForce
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How about bringing Randy Foye back?

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TA's defense is nice but we really need a wing that is going to spread the floor.

AirGriffin
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Exactly. Thank you.

Big reason why Grizzlies failed this year, they lacked that.

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I miss Randy Gordon, I mean Randy Foye 8)

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This team lost because of poor defense and rebounding. Not due to lack of offense. We need a guy like Allen. Still need a good big man rebounder. Add Mayo and there is the offense you need. Should make for a fun 7-10 days to see what we will do to shape this team.

pmb0928
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How about a guy like Dujuan Blair. Rebounds pretty well and scores when he plays. Foul prone but he will come pretty cheap since he always seemed to fall out of favor with Popovich for whatever reason.

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They failed because they lacked it at SG AND SF, and also because the Spurs were just better.

Adding Tony Allen, then bringing Crawford off the bench, and playing a SF that shoot's a lot of three's makes it a different situation.

AirGriffin
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Depends of course. I wasn't basing it on a "what if" situation.

I mean shouldn't be bad but there isn't a lot of cheap, available,

Good 3 point shooting SFs.

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I'm not too much of a tony allen fan! raher have afflalo!

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It will bring toughness to the team.

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TA or miracle whip

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jj redick FTW

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No reason to get someone as mediocre as reddick when there are better options put there.

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