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Would you trade DeAndre Jordan & Eric Bledsoe for Tyson Chandler & Iman Shumpert?
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Post Subject: DeAndre Jordan + Bledsoe for Tyson Chandler + Shumpert Rumor Post ID: 396021by dopeneon2010 » Jul 01, 2013 - 04:11 PM PST
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Word on the street says that ....

NBA Rumors ‏@NBARUMORS 12s Rumor: Iman Shumpert and Tyson Chandler for Eric Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan.



                
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Post ID: 396026by Purple#Gold » Jul 01, 2013 - 04:29 PM PST
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That's not happening lol

                
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Post ID: 396029by TheDude » Jul 01, 2013 - 04:36 PM PST
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Now you're talking. Take that deal in a heartbeat.

                
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Post ID: 396032by BoomRizzle » Jul 01, 2013 - 04:52 PM PST
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LOL too good to be true. That'd be amazing. Recent moves prove the Knicks might actually be dumb enough to do it too hahahah

                
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Post ID: 396038by david » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:13 PM PST
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I'm looking at Tyson Chandler's post season stats the last few seasons w/ the Knicks, and I'm not all that impressed. I don't know if he is much of an upgrade over DeAndre Jordan, plus he is older and more injury prone. I don't think I would waste Eric Bledsoe in such a trade, especially since we need E-Bled to help get us a premier SG/SF.

Now if Tyson Chandler can return to his form a couple years ago in the PO w/ the Mavericks, then yeah, but he's not getting any younger, so I'm very doubtful that he will.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tyson_cha ... stats.html

                
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Post ID: 396039by AirGriffin » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:16 PM PST
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I would do this in a heartbeat

                
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Post ID: 396040by Cliptonyte » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:16 PM PST
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The least favorite trade idea that I have seen yet. It would be a slight upgrade at Center, but Bledsoe is way better than Shumpert.

                
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Post ID: 396042by uncool » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:18 PM PST
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How legit is "@NBARUMORS"? Because I haven't seen any real source tweet anything about this...

                
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Post ID: 396048by AirGriffin » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:35 PM PST
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Really...? Slight upgrade? Chandler anchored the defense to a championship team 2 years ago and he's only about to hit 31. Duncan and Garnett are 36+. With the right coaching and players, your efficiency will raise and you could possibly stay in the league longer. Rivers knows how to manage vets that are aging. AND Bledsoe is way better than Shumpert? Don't think so. Dude just came off an injury. This season he will be back even stronger and better, And he is more than worthy to be a starting SG.

I'm all in for this trade. Shumpert is much younger than Afflalo and Reddcm which is a plus as well.

                
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Post ID: 396049by mj_shoefanatic » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:38 PM PST
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Great trade for both parties involved. Tyson is a bully and Shump is a nice combo guard. Adding that 1st Rd pick would only sweeten the deal. Razz

                
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Post ID: 396055by TheDude » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:52 PM PST
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LOL Chandler is an all star and one of the top 5, if not thee best, defensive players in the NBA. Last season he was the DPY. It would a monster upgrade over Deandre. Bled is a little more valuable than Shump at the moment but that's mainly because he missed a lot of last season with an injury. But he can play 3 positions and is also a dominant wing defender. .402 from 3pt. land last season. He is the definition of 3 and D and is still on a rookie deal.

Knicks would be crazy to do this trade so it probably won't happen but it's pretty much the ideal move we could ever make this off season.

                
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Post ID: 396060by Purple#Gold » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:56 PM PST
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And then he said "great trade for both parties" lol

                
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Post ID: 396065by Andrew818 » Jul 01, 2013 - 05:59 PM PST
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Don't think this is a real trade but if it is I would do it.Chandler and Shump are great defenders who would fit in well with the team.If this is a serious trade I would do it.Think it benefits both teams.But Chandler is aging and hasn't been that good in the playoffs so I would ask for a 1st or 2nd rounder.

                
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Post ID: 396079by Hooligans » Jul 01, 2013 - 06:37 PM PST
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This.

Tyson Chandler has gotten so f***** overrated since his run with Dallas. At this point he's nothing more than a big name. He's been just as shitty in the playoffs as Deandre in his time with the Knicks.

Right now he has a huge contract and has been racking up a ton of injuries. F that.

                
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Post ID: 396089by mj_shoefanatic » Jul 01, 2013 - 06:46 PM PST
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Purple#Gold wrote:
And then he said "great trade for both parties" lol

                
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Post ID: 396093by Cliptonyte » Jul 01, 2013 - 07:00 PM PST
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He's also going to be 31 years old and will likely begin to decline soon. DJ has the potential to be every bit the defender that Chandler is and DJ's defensive rating and defensive win shares were actually better than Chandler's was this past season.

Chandler's PER was only a little better than DJ's, as was his total rebound percentage. DJ's steals percentage and blocks percentage were also higher than Chandler's. Chandler is the better player but not by leaps and bounds. The biggest difference is that Chandler can make free throws and stay on the floor longer, but would that be worth more than the games that he will likely miss due to injury?

I would much rather keep DJ and Bledsoe. The difference between Bledsoe and Shumpert is greater than the difference between Chandler and Jordan. If the Knicks throw in something else, then I would considered it, but not as it is. I am betting that this rumor isn't even legit.

                
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Post ID: 396094by mj_shoefanatic » Jul 01, 2013 - 07:07 PM PST
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Clips are in "WIN NOW" mode. DJ is not a "WIN NOW" mode type big.

                
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Post ID: 396095by Cliptonyte » Jul 01, 2013 - 07:13 PM PST
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They won 56 games with him, and had way below average play out of their 2 position. The Clippers are in a win now mode for the next few years, not just one season in my opinion.

I believe the Clippers are going to add shooters, who can defend at the 2 and 3 positions, because it was the team's biggest weakness.

                
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Post ID: 396172by Amnesty_David_Stern » Jul 01, 2013 - 10:33 PM PST
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Chandler is a bit old, Shumpert isn't Mr. healthy and there's no 1st round draft pick coming our way back. No THX

                
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Post ID: 396233by Agent0 » Jul 02, 2013 - 12:44 AM PST
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Isn't Chandler 30? His contract expires at 32 or 33, I wouldn't call that old. Why would they send a pick, it's a even talent trade, Bledose is better than Shumpert, Chandler is better than Jordan

                
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Post ID: 396239by CP3Heliflopter » Jul 02, 2013 - 12:58 AM PST
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Wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks do this at all. Can't be worse than the Bargnani deal....

This is a good deal for the Clippers. Shumpert shot 40% from 3 with Felton as the PG. He can definitely be our 3 and D SG.

                
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Post ID: 396240by Markojaric » Jul 02, 2013 - 01:01 AM PST
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Remember guys Doc is our coach now. And he is waay better than woodson or VDN. If were getting chandler, probably were getting the best version of him, skill wise (about health, we dont know actually. And thats the main advantage DJ has over him. He always plays) and will shine again with a serious coach. Shump is a nice addition.

With that being said, the same can said about DJ. "He will improve with a serious coach like Doc", but then again, we arent sure. And we dont have time to waste.

Chandler could be our third star. Still not sure if Blake could be a pick n pop guy.

a 2nd rounder or a pick swap could work, too, if the deal doesnt seem fair to you, guys. Seems pretty fair to me without the picks.

                
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Post ID: 396282by botev1921 » Jul 02, 2013 - 05:55 AM PST
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Some of these rumors keep getting dumber and dumber. We went from getting solid all around player like Afflalo and a great up and coming forward in Nicholson to some stupid ideas about getting players, who are rarely healthy or can't defend at all...or all they can do is defend! Like it usually happens, the first idea is always the best and so far:

Afflalo + Nicholson > DeRozan / Chandler + Shumpert / Tony Allen / JJ Reddick, etc.

                
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Post ID: 396403by Amnesty_David_Stern » Jul 02, 2013 - 01:44 PM PST
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Chandler was drafted directly out of High School if you don't recall. Being 30 years old means he's had 11+ years of NBA basketball on his body. That's old, especially for a Center.

                
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Post ID: 396449by LAC_12 » Jul 02, 2013 - 04:32 PM PST
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No mention of CP3 playing with Chandler again?! I'm not siding fornor against this trade... But it is an observation worth noting.

                
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Post ID: 396450by hoopfanjd31 » Jul 02, 2013 - 04:40 PM PST
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This. We can do better.

                
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Post ID: 396452by tense2 » Jul 02, 2013 - 04:44 PM PST
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Soon to be 31 actually.

                
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Post ID: 396692by TheDude » Jul 02, 2013 - 06:28 PM PST
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Now that we got two shooters they may go back to NY with Crawford/DJ for Shump/Chandler. Shump is probably a better fit on the roster compared to Jamal now that we have Redick and Dudley long term. A young athlete on the wing would be a big help and I still say Tyson Chandler is a monster upgrade over DJ.

                
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Post ID: 397085by ClipperSam » Jul 03, 2013 - 03:31 AM PST
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Hell No Keep DJ.

                
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Post ID: 397245by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 03, 2013 - 03:18 PM PST
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How can we trade DJ for Gortat? Pleeease

I guess we can't

                
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Post ID: 397246by tense2 » Jul 03, 2013 - 03:20 PM PST
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I guess some people aren't realizing yet that DJ is staying.

                
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Post ID: 397253by TheDude » Jul 03, 2013 - 03:35 PM PST
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Should have tried to do it as part of the Dudley trade. If we could have done that, I'd be a lot more comfortable with the front court depth. DJ does not fit on this team. We need somebody that is half way reliable.

                
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Post ID: 397256by tense2 » Jul 03, 2013 - 03:40 PM PST
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Doc thinks he does...hmmm.

                
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Post ID: 397494by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 04, 2013 - 02:47 AM PST
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Part of Doc's original deal was to dump DJ for KG. He's now stuck with him. As someone mentioned before Doc may be acting PC and is too polite to say he wants to dump the lazy slug.

I think DJ will be gone if any slight opportunity presents itself.

                
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Post ID: 397501by Amnesty_David_Stern » Jul 04, 2013 - 03:36 AM PST
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I feel that way too. I think the team isn't out of options about trading DJ right now. I am sure the team has faith in DeAndre and with Doc here, maybe he can set DJ back on the right path. Problem with trading DeAndre now is that we just traded Bledsoe, so any deal with DJ would mean bringing a Center back. I can't honestly see why any team would take DJ and send us a Center back, especially one we feel is better than DeAndre. Plus, his contract is horrible.

Only thing I can think of would be for us to send a 1st rounder, more than likely unprotected and DJ for a different Center. We can't send next years pick because teams are not allowed to go without 2 1st round draft picks in consecutive years ( our 2015 first belongs to Boston ). Same goes with 2016. So that would mean a team would have to wait 4 years until the 2017 draft to get the pick we'd send them along with DJ.

Potentially I could see us maybe getting Earl Clark, using him at Center and trading DJ for say a PF for an extra big body. But we'd basically be platooning the C spot and rotating 3 guys in the PF/C spot all year long.

I'd really love DJ to renegotiate the terms of his contract and take a pay cut. If he would take like 2-3 mill less a year, and heck even CP3 should have taken less money along with Blake, we could add more flexibility in who we can go after come free agent time.

                
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Post ID: 397517by Cliptonyte » Jul 04, 2013 - 07:53 AM PST
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That's funny considering that a few teams have tried to trade for him. Do you just make stuff up, throw it at the wall and hope it sticks? LOL

It was also reported that Doc asked Ainge to not take DJ.

You guys crack me up. The guy gets invited to Team USA camp. Greg Popovich speaks very highly of the guy. Doc has said that he wants him and thinks he can be an elite defender, yet he still sucks.

It's time to stop with that crap.

                
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Post ID: 397556by tense2 » Jul 04, 2013 - 12:19 PM PST
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What, now we have to try and read the tea leaves or take what Doc says and play it backwards for the real meaning, lol.

Taking it at face value he was pretty emphatic about what he thought about DJ, so I think there's a 99.98% that he's staying...but yes there is a slight chance he could be gone. Smile

                
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Post ID: 397561by clipper*joe » Jul 04, 2013 - 12:55 PM PST
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That was Bledsoe, not DJ. Doc wanted Garnett before he committed and DJ was the expendable one knowing we needed Bledsoe just in case CP3 left. Doc was the one who didn't want Bledsoe involved in the trade.

                
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Post ID: 397578by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 04, 2013 - 02:26 PM PST
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With his physical skill defense should be a no brainer. The concepts aren't rocket science. Barkley said that he got rebounds because he wanted them more than anybody else. To defend you have to want to get good position more than they do. You have to get as physical as ZBo. It's a matter of heart. It's a matter of confidence. As far what Doc says take some of it with a grain of salt. When asked about DJ he has to say something positive even though he may (or may not) wish DJ were never on the squad.

Jim Hill:

Doc we've heard a lot about Jordan's failure to produce in the PO's. Any comment

Doc: I've really been looking forward to coaching him. He will be our defensive anchor" He leaves the studio and thinks "What a lazy MF

Doc: Jim he's the laziest MF Iv'e ever met. Even his own mother says he's lazy"

Which one works?

                
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Post ID: 397581by tense2 » Jul 04, 2013 - 02:41 PM PST
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All depends on your mind set I guess and your mind set is...

                
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Post ID: 397585by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 04, 2013 - 02:49 PM PST
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LIE long and loud Only a little white lie though. It's all PR. Those don't count.

Remember that his mother said he was so unmotivated that she was going to be his coach over the summer and keep a fire lit under him..

                
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Post ID: 397599by tense2 » Jul 04, 2013 - 03:20 PM PST
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Ok, guess we know where your mind set is. He'll never, never work out for the Clippers and it's hopeless to let Doc even try.

                
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Post ID: 397636by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 04, 2013 - 07:35 PM PST
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Stomach's full.

We're stuck with him. Time to make some lemonaid out of a lemon. We have no choice but to support him and get behind him as his fans. GO DJ!

If he falls on his butt TRYING to box out, great. If he tries his post move with passion and misses, right on. Keep fu*king trying. Don't give up. If he puts on his game face and doesn't pout, right on. If he picks up fouls out knocking Zbo on his ass great

At this point I would appreciate fire and passion and work ethic. This has been my main beef

                
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Post ID: 397640by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 04, 2013 - 07:42 PM PST
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There was a little boy who was a real piece of work so for his birthday present they filled his room full of horse s*it. He took a look went in closed the door. Soon his parents heard a racket and there he was digging through all this horse hockey as fast as he could.

"Mom with all this horse sh*t there's got to be a pony here somewhere"

I'll grab a shovel and help you dig

                
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Post ID: 397659by tense2 » Jul 04, 2013 - 09:41 PM PST
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Whether they apply or not to to the story line your tales are quite entertaining Toohip...I applaud your sir.

                
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Post ID: 397661by pageC4 » Jul 04, 2013 - 09:44 PM PST
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i can't wait to see how doc responds to seeing zbo choke blake or do any dirty **** like that. I have a feeling doc would tell our boys to hit zbo back

                
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Post ID: 397666by pmb0928 » Jul 04, 2013 - 09:50 PM PST
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DJ will be better under doc. Just How much. The guy might be our most important player, maybe he will realize that

                
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Post ID: 397680by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 04, 2013 - 11:49 PM PST
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Tell DJ he has to eat his BBQ dry with sauce on the side until he shapes up. That'll motivate him.

Thanks Tense Appreciated

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