Bledsoe & Butler Traded for Jared Dudley & JJ Redick (P. 12)

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Akclipps
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if anything cp3 blake and jamal can be our big three.. i think jamal is capable of being an allstar

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its very possible, especially this coming year. If the Heat make another finals i don't see them as having the motivation to pull through and win it. This last year they looked like the LAkers when they would barely put in enough effort to win...the "switch" dilemma.

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Malone and GP were no longer superstars. Malone got injured, Payton didn't fit the triangle, Kobe was hogging, and lets not neglect that they made the finals.

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Crawford? Nope, Ginobili right now is better than Jamal. Clippers focus should be the overall team and defense

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You don't need a big three to win a chip I agree there. The Heat basically had a big 2 anyway with how poorly Wade and Bosh played. The Heat's big three is an iffy fit at best. Lebron and Wade are a terrible terrible fit and it gets worse when Wade is injured.

That being said the Lakers example isn't a good one. GP and Karl Malone were old and injured and the Pistons were ridiculously stacked.

Fit is important yes but you are talking about a team with 4 all star caliber players.... They had Rasheed Wallace, Billups, Ben Wallace and Richard Hamilton. They also had Prince, a great bench and an elite coach. After acquiring Rasheed they had an all time great defense. That team was really really good. A balanced team yes but a balanced team with 4 all stars level players. Really hard to replicate for obvious reasons.

In many cases you can win a chip with only one superstar, one star and a good supporting cast + coach especially if your role players get hot at the right times. In recent memory the Lakers and Mavs won without more than one superstar. Also frankly the 2013 Heat also won with only one superstar(Wade played like a low level all star at best and Bosh like a roleplayer).

Akclipps
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ginobili better than jamal right now? the person who caused spurs not to win championship this year.. lol goodluck with that

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So the guy that was terrible on both ends of the floor in the playoffs was better?

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When Ginobili's scoring is off, he still facilitates and defends. When Jamal's scoring is off.....

As terrible as Ginobili was, per 36 he put up 16-5-7 and a terrible 3.5 turnovers on .530 TS% in the playoffs, 102 Ortg. Jamal: 15-3-2, but didn't turn it over much (0.9) on .486 TS% (.527 before game 6), and a 104 Ortg.

Ginobili was a disaster with turnovers, so Jamal got him beat there, but my point is that Jamal is not member or any big three. A solid defensive Jordan could be the guy, no one else.

Akclipps
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okay yeah maybe bad example lol.. a good example would be last year's lakers team (dwight nash kobe pau and mwp) offseason lastyear everyone was talking about they are going straight to the finals and win everything but didnot workout because the team does not fit. All I'm saying is that you don't need a big three or bunch of superstar to win a championship. clippers are capable of winning it even if we don't get another high paying superstar.

Akclipps
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okay put ginobili on vinny's system and see how that works. Greg popovich's system makes it easier for ginobili to get those stats

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Good god. I don't even.... Lets just say Ginobili is a HOF lock and Crawford can't even hold a candle to him. He may be a bit washed up but just downright disrespectful smfh.

Akclipps
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i agree with Jordan being the missing link of this team. i hope under doc he would stop worrying about scoring and focus on defending

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No doubt. Fit is more important than talent sometimes. Lebron for example would be much better off with Pippen and Rodman over Wade and Bosh even though they are less talented players they are better supporting players. Wade is basically a very poor man's version of Lebron with no 3 point shot at this point and Bosh is underutilized offensively. Players like Pippen and Rodman are more effective since they don't need the ball to be effective like Wade and Bosh.

You can win a chip even with only one superstar and no stars even if your teammates step up or the competition is especially weak. Like Hakeem's Rockets did in 94 or the Spurs in 03.

Akclipps
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haha maybe i'm just being biased over jamal.. lol i just think he's one of the most underrated player out there and he could be 2nd or 3rd leading scorer of the clips this year..

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Right now (especially with Doc Rivers) Jamal Crawford is better. You will see his true talent with a great coach.

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Genobli right now is still the better over all player then Crawford.

Akclipps
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well cause ginobili never had a bad coach and never get tossed around from team to team like jamal did.

tense2
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No, because Ginobili was always more then a one trick pony. He can do other things well like defend, rebound and asst.

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We will see after this season now won't we?

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and flop.........

tense2
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Maybe, but right NOW, It's as it's always been...Ginobli.

tense2
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Yeah and flopped better to...another point for Manu, lol.

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I agree 1000% percent

Akclipps
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oh yeah flopped and sell out the championship game.. he must be better right now

tense2
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All good points. roll

Agent0
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Iguodala is like a young Shane Battier with worse spot up shooting but better ball handling and passing. Nice glue guy who has a little more skills than glue guys but he's not worth a large contract. You can replace his ball handling and scoring with your PG and another wing, then get a cheaper defensive wing that's a better shooter.

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I think with Iggy people think they are getting a poor man's Kobe, but you are really getting a rich man's Battier (and other than youth that could be debatable). His size, defense and handles make you think there is a lot more than he has shown. I fall for it every time there are any rumors regarding him, I wanted him on the team again just figured he'd be too expensive (I wanted Shane before he went to Miami too). He should really be getting about 8 mil a year in my opinion, with a team option no later than the third year; but he'll get more and for longer.

Akclipps
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yeah i like iggy cuz he can defend and he's a good team player.. the only thing i'm worried about him is his freethrows.. i had him on my fantasy team he's not really consistent with freethrows.. we can't add another guy who can't make freethrows in close games. we're already suffering on dj's horrible ft's.

tense2
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Since Iggy's not coming here anyway, It's all a moot discussion.

MartyKahn
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Was kinda looking forward to that

uncool
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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong,

In the PHX/MIL trade, couldn't we have just traded Caron & Bled for Dudley & a pick straight up, then signed JJ as a UFA. Therefore, not taking a sign & trade, therefore not getting hard capped!? Then we'd have room to sign Barnes & Landry? Could've gave Landry like $6 mil & given Barnes the TPE at $2.5 per?

I hope I'm wrong. Because that would be a huge frustrating mistake for our FO.

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I believe if they did it your way, they would have had to use the MLE to sign Redick? I am no expert on salary cap stuff though.

The way they did it, it allows them to sign additional player(s) with their MLE, instead of using it on Redick in your scenario.

tense2
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Yes sir, you are correct.

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Yet another analysis:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/20 ... pshooters/

uncool
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But why couldn't we use the salary we dumped on Caron's contract to sign JJ?

Agent0
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Still over the cap because of Chris Paul's cap hold, so there's no actual space available.

Agent0
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Yea, he's deceptive like that. He can handle and pass, so it gives you the impression that he's a high impact offensive player, but he's a passive offensive player with mediocre efficiency over the past 4 seasons.

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CP3 and Blake should have both taken less money to play here. Going to be extremely hard to get people here with Crawford, Barnes and Redick eating up the remainder of the cap after DJ's horrid contract. Crawford has a 2 year team option I believe, wonder if the going gets tough this year if the team will try to mail Crawford and maybe DJ for a Center or a SF. Barnes could also enter the mix.

Honestly I'd do a trade with Houston right now if perhaps a 3rd team was involved to get Omer ASik. I don't care if he's not very good on offense, he's a rebounder and a defensive Center and can actually show it during the game and on the stat sheet. DJ isn't much of anything.

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When will these guys be formally introduced?

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i believe is on july 10th...all trades become legit and all free agents (CP) can sign contracts

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