Jamal Crawford Would Like to Start, Also Unhappy? (P. 4)

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Andrew818

I have watched quite a few TWolves games because I like to watch Rubio play. Derrick Williams is an ok player but quite a risk really. He is a player with lots of potential but has never realised it. I think he was second in the draft but has been a disapointment. One of his issues is that he has the body of a 3 but is used to playing the 4 (I think that is right), anywhich way he has position issues. He has the occasional breakout game but has never really stepped up. I think JC is more valuable than him.

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ClippersSince97 wrote:
There is a rumor floating around on twitter about DJ+Jamal for Bosh. It's just a rumor right now but if you check Jamal's recent tweets, it seems as if something is in the works. How do you guys feel about that?

https://twitter.com/JCrossover

I'd rather us trade for a real C not a fake one. wink

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Let's hope jamal doesn't feel this way and is willing to embrace Ubuntu - my only comcern is that his annoyance at having less pt will affect his production. If ate the case, he needs to go.

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Thanks for the info,I haven't seen any T Wolves games besides when they played us.Still think we should consider trading Crawford for a big.I love watching Crawford play but you can't rely on a player like him in the playoffs.Him and JR Smith completely disappeared in the playoffs.We badly need a big who can back up DJ and Blake,and unfortunately the only person we have left to trade with any value is Crawford.

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I think Crawford was more valuable on VDN team than a Doc team. We needed his offense to bail us out a lot of times. The problem is he doesn't do anything else except score. I would prefer a big who can rebound, play D, and hit 15 foot jumper. Also I have 0 confidence in DJ.

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And who would that be...

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andrew bynum Very Happy

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I would try to trade Crawford to the Bobcats for Byron Mullens(S&T) and Brendan Haywood.Haywood makes 2 Mill so that means Mullens would make about 3 Mill,so that the salaries match.We would have to throw in a 2nd rounder or two but this is a possible trade I would consider because we have enough guards,and would get back 2 solid big men to back up DJ and Blake.

Another trade we could try would be to send Crawford and Turiaf(S&T) to the 76ers for Spencer Hawes.Now that Nick Young is a free agent and Jason Richardson is a little injury prone,they need a SG.Hawes is a 7 footer who can play the 4 and 5.He could finish games with Blake if DJ free throw shooting doesn't get any better.Since they are rebuilding we might have to give them a 2nd rounder for this trade to be done.

tense2
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Oh your a funny guy FreaKeyy. lol

Too late anyway, the Cav's just signed Bydumb.

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It's a fine move for the Cavs and their situation, medium risk, high reward. The risk isn't that bad because he's a 2 year contract and only guaranteed $6M his second season. If he's healthy then they have the talent with Irving, Jack, Bynum, and the improvement of their young guys, and even the health of Varejao to be a 50 win team. Yes, 50 wins.

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Actually doc needs crawford too heck any team needs a guy like him he is the only clipper who can make a basket anywhere he wants beside cp3. Docs system on offense needed a guy who can create a shot when the clock is running out like a paul pierce type.

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Mullens sucks on both ends of the floor though. He's a stretch big that can't actually make shots, I'm not sure what his value is. He was assisted on 95.5% of his three's and made 31.7%. He was assisted on 82.9% oh his 16-23 foot jumpers and made 31.5%, he's just not the shooter that his brain thinks he is. In 11-12 again he was assisted on 86.5% of his 16-23 jumpers and made 34.4%, yea, he's not a good shooter.

Hawes would be nice but with Noel injured, he's Philly's only C outside of Kwame Brown now, so I'm not sure it makes sense for them at the moment. That's one the Clippers can watch through the season.

Crawford for Frye would save Phoenix money this year and next year:

Paul / Collison

Redick / Bullock

Dudley / Barnes

Griffin / Frye

Jordan / Frye / Hollins

Crawford to the Pistons for Jerebko. I can't really think of why they would want to do this. I could say since they signed Smith they need shooters on the perimeter, but that's what Singler does.

You could drug OKC's GM and do Crawford for Sefolosha, but that's not real.

You could do the same with Toronto and do Crawford for Amir Johnson, again not real.

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Yep Mullens is not good on either sides of the court. I hate hearing him mentioned. He simply isn't good.

Andrew818
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haha sorry I'm like most people,I don't watch Bobcat games.I like the idea of Frye but don't know if he is even going to play this season.Does anyone have an update on him?

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I live in Charlotte, y'all would hate Mullens more than Jamison

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Greg Oden!

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Another guy we could possibly trade for is Ekpe Udoh from the Bucks.They have Majo to replace Monta but don't have anyone to replace Riddick.They have a lot of bigs already and might be interested in Crawford.Not talking about doing a straight up deal though.

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Just wondering. If Redick is as good as I think he'll be and get some playing time in the 4th quarter, maybe it would be best to ship Crawford. I love what Crawford brings to the Clippers. I love that he can do the one on one thing. But Crawford's going to want to play down the stretch...yet Redick's spot up style may be more necessary in those moments. With Willie a capable back up and Bullock able to switch wings, maybe we can free up some dollars for a decent back up big man?

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Crawford might be on the trading block and that may be why he is releasing all these weird tweets. They might have informed him that they are looking at all options, which if I was Crawford that would piss me off too.

I'd rather have the coach play whoever is hotter at that particular night. Jcross sometimes has matchups that he can eat up off the dribble, I'm sure there will be nights where JJ will be getting clean looks off screens. Why can't we just play to the match ups in the fourth. If needed go small, but play to the hot hand. I wouldn't even mind seeing them both play together in some cases. If we play a team like Memphis and they put Tony at the 3 then ride paul, jj and jcross and whoever gets bayless should have a good night.

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i would only trade for jcrow if we get a good big man that can score & play D!

Andrew818
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I feel the same way.Any team would love to have Crawford,but you have to think of team needs and right now we need a big.I love watching Crawford play but relying on a player like him is extremely risky.I am not saying we need to trade Crawford,but if we can get a solid big for him than I hope our FO at least considers it.

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Jamal Crawford @JCrossover 1h

Old toy/ new toy syndrome, how soon they forget...

Damn it Jamal! why do you post these types of tweet?

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he is a piece of ****, can't play any defense and no consistency with his shot. I'd love it if the clippers traded his ****** ass for a real center.

ClippersDA
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And people say not to read too much into his tweets? Such a piece of work - ship him out. It's not about him, what a weirdo. Seriously now he just seems creepy - I'm really surprised at him. He seemed like a team player but I guess he only is when all the attention is on him. Not a winner - and until he started tweeting I was a big fan and supporter of his. Frustrating

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Lol I'm sure it's fine he's probably tweeting about something that's not Clipper-related. I mean he has a kid, so he is probably referring to actual toys.

ClippersDA
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And yes I am calling i crossover a weirdo - I hate when people whine over twitter r fb repeatedly. He's a 30 something mam - grow up jamal

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d like to think that but the tone of all his tweets suggests otherwise. Really big disappointment but. Hope I'm wrong. I don't want any strife before season starts. Redick needs to start to better the team

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I like your optimism, but come on David. This dude just hinted way too much. Fine lets say it was about his kid, but do you really have to tweet that? If he did, he clearly needs talk to his wife not twitter lol

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Right, since he's not on the road that often...

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he has made a lot of comments that make people think he is not happy here. MY wife first brought this to my attention a few days ago. I think he has been subtley saying he is unhappy here:

"Give me a ball and a court, and I'm good. I'll play anywhere..."

"Don't ever get too comfortable"

When asked about where he sees the clippers in 5 years he gives a lukewarm respponse "I don't know"

He may be referencing other things but to people following him he has been dropping very vague saying that can be misinterpreted

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Someone needs to take his phone from him for a week

ClippersDA
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sorry if he starts the season off in a slump we will regret not moving him (what I meant to say)

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No he's not a piece of sh*t, can play below average defense at his position as of what we saw last season but with the addition of all of the coaches this off season I expect to see all of our guys improve in every aspect. No point in trading a spark plug off the bench, something that we need. Trading Jamal Crawford in my opinion is not an option.

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Let's stop pretending that everything is fine with Jamal. This guy is hinting a lot. Yes, we're not sure of what the hell he's really saying, but he has not shown any gratitude to our offseason moves, either.

I mean, check out his tweet on July 11:

"Sometimes people don't understand less is more..."

So you guys still want to play dumb here? I'm not reading too much into it.

He's showing way too much emotion on Twitter to make Clipper fans keep guessing.

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its fine we can use him as trade bait next season. We can package him and DJ for a great center and by then bullock will be our 6th man.

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Less offseason moves the better? I understand that he was attached to Bled and Caron but as journeyman he should know by now, NBA is a business. And I have a feeling he doesn't really like Redick. He probably thinks he's a better player. He's better than Willie ,yet Willie started, how he didn't have any problem with him? So JJ Redick is the "shiny new toy" hahaha that is so childish. Come on Jamal get it together.

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its fine we can use him as trade bait next season. We can package him and DJ for a great center and by then bullock will be our 6th man.

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Bullock isn't good enough off the dribble to be 6th man, in that role you need be able to create your own with the second unit. 6th man should be instant offense. Bullock is a catch and shoot guy who feeds off other players

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If we were going to trade Jamal then I would consider doing this trade:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q8se9ed

We get a good center who can defend and is solid offensively.And we also get a stretch 4.

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If we are giving up DJ and Crawford for a center and bench player, I'd rather get Verajao and Dion Waiters from Cleveland. I'd like to think they'd do it because Jamal is more inticing for LeBron than a 2nd year player, but then again I'm extremely biased.

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I like that also but they just signed Bynum and have Zeller so I don't think they want DJ anymore.They want expiring contracts to make a run at Lebron.

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I think y'all are reading into his tweets to much. Once we the season starts and we are winning, we are going to see the Clippers love that Jamal used to show on twitter

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No we're not. Even if we are, can you blame us? Jamal is giving all kinds of hints here.

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Did he sign with the Clippers last year hoping that he would eventually be the starting 2 guard? probably. But he knew signing with us that this was a going a team oriented locker room and players are going to have to make sacrifices. Jamal is a great locker room guy and a very humble player. Once the clippers are playing and winning, all this won't matter. We talk about JJ Redick and Bullock being like a Ray Allen, coming around those screens and curls. Jamal is going to be put in some those situations as well as some ISOs. He is still a pure shooter and Doc said yesterday Jamal is excited to be running off screens in his offensive schemes. Jamal has played for 16 different head coaches before Doc, you don't think he is happy about playing with of the best in game coaches ever?

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I didn't mean to did in front of my last post haha. Do y'all really not like Crawford on our team? And btw I think VDn had some problems with using Crawford too. I mean to not play him in the 2nd half of game 6 against the grizz? I don't care what has been happening, you ride your horses that got you there

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Willie was no threat to Crawford. He knew Willie would start but that he would more likely get more minutes and finish the game. Maybe he finds Redick more of a threat.

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Honestly this is good for us long term. 33 year old Crawford may pout enough for Doc to give big minutes to Bullock who is a team first guy and a BETTER shooter than Jamal, not to mention defender. Give Crawford's minutes to Bullock and I'll be happy. Cut him next season when he only gets like 1.5 mill guaranteed. Either buy in or move on.

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Iso ball is not Doc's game. He is a proven winner with actual offensive sets who expects his players to play solid D. If Jamal wants shine playing iso ball he should play for the losers down the hall until their favorite chucker comes back. I have zero patience for passive aggressiveness, especially on Twitter. Either buy in and fall in line for your five million bucks or politely ask for a trade.

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https://twitter.com/JCrossover/status/3 ... 12/photo/1

Anybody see this? Posted a pic of himself in a Hawks jersey like yesterday. All I know is... it's time for people to stop denying this. Jamal is CLEARLY unhappy with this situation. Like I said... either buy in or GTFO our team. I'd be ECSTATIC to use Jamal's minutes to develop 21 year old Bullock if he wants to make an issue of this and Doc will NOT put up with this BS. Notice how every other player on our team is EXCITED as hell about next year? We brought in Dudley/Bullock and does Barnes vent on Twitter even though he will surely get a minute cut? NOPE.

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Yeah. I love Crawford's game especially because it offers a change of pace...

...however we won't need him as badly this season as we did last season. If he wants to go, so be it, I say. Surely, there's a good player or two out there we can get for him.

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