Jamal Crawford Would Like to Start, Also Unhappy? (P. 6)

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Jamal has always been an explosive scorer. His crossover was always amazing to watch amd it could get him by defenders. The problem with his game is that he is very one dimensional. He doesn't play good defense, doesn't pass, or rebound. To add he is not a great three point shooter like jj reddick is, so jamal camt even spread the floor with his shooting. Given all these defficiencies this is not what you want for the starting 2 guard. However, when operating from the bench few players can guard him. Then that offense first style doesn't affect the team effort so much because it is the second until t he is playing with. He is exactly where he is most effective. If he wants to start he is only foolinghimself.

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I have to agree!

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People are short changing Jerebko. He's less of a tweener because he can actually defend a position. He can defend SF quite well, and he can defend PF except for if he gets overly mis-matched strength wise, but he's a great player to put as a 4 in small ball lineups and a 3 in normal lineups. He's also a good team defender, decent rebounder, and great hustle player.

He's a nice long mid-range shooter, but still hasn't expanded out to a consistent 3PT shooter. The last two seasons he's shot 45.5% and 47.4% from 16-23 on about 1 a game, but he's a weak 30% 3PT shooter. That's probably the only thing holding him back from being an excellent backup 3/4 and role player, he really needs to expand his range. Per 36 he averages 13.1/7.6/54.3 TS% for his career and makes $4.5M, there's value, but it's definitely nice for the team to have a shot creator off the bench. Value for you is always based on the makeup of your team.

pageC4, that is an accurate assessment, though I disagree that Jamal can't spread the floor. He isn't as respected a shooter as Redick, but teams certainly pay attention to him.

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They better pay attention to him, cause unlike the other 1/2/3's on the team aside from CP........JCross can legitimately create his own offense.

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I would be shocked with Alvin Gentry now orchestrating the offense if we still find our second unit relying on bailout iso plays by Jamal. We'll know in the next few weeks whether all involved think he's worth holding onto or packaging for a quality big...

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I agree,I think our offense is going to be a lot smoother for everyone but still doesn't hurt to have a guy who can create for himself late in the shot clock or when a play is broken.

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good point. yeah our offense will be x10 smoother than last year but then we still need players that can create their own shot when clock is running out. Even though coach doc drew good XO plays in boston, he still have paul pierce to clean up on broken plays and that is why i think we really need jamal.

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I agree. We need Crawford or someone (ball handler) besides CP3 that can create for himself when a play is broken. He's valuable to us but Gentry will make the game easier for him compared to VDN.

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I suppose technically Collison can do that, most PG's have to create shots for themselves and others. If your starting lineup is playing more though, then this isn't as important. If Paul plays 36 MPG, then he's only out for 12 MPG. If a team can't survive 12 MPG with a capable PG and some shooters, then they shouldn't be in the league. It's definitely a nice luxury to have, but is it "crucial", probably not, but still nice.

Ideally though you want a player that is truly a starter (finishes games) but comes off the bench to make it stronger, which is what Crawford did last season. In the role of actual bench player, that is, not playing > half the game, you might just be better off staggering your lineup so that Paul is on for 6 MPG without Blake and Blake is on for 6 MPG without Paul to cover the 12 MPG that they don't play each game if you're playing them 36 MPG.

So if you had no Crawford, let's say you trade him for a healthy Frye, your "bench" lineup will look like this:

Paul

Bullock

Barnes

Frye

Hollins

for 6 MPG and...

Collison

Bullock

Barnes

Griffin

Frye

for the other 6 MPG

The rest of the game both Paul and Blake are on. Now you're not really worrying too much about who's going to score when Paul and Griffin are out.

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The beauty about crawford is that we have him locked up for another two years. If for some reason he decides he doesn't want the role of sixth man plenty of teams will be willing to trade assets for him. I wouldn't trade him this year though. I would wait for the offseason of 2014 for the simple reason that more players will be available and by then reggie bullock will have had at least one season under his belt and will be just fine to join the second unit as the 2 guard. With collison, barnes, hollins. And a quality PF bullocks inexperience will not be such a detriment. This year though I say we should use it as an evaluation year to find out if indeed crawfprd really is unhappy, amd if so it could be audition time for him for other clubs to help boost his trade value

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I didn't really get anything of the recent Jamal Crawford interview, I feel as though as he is fine with situation and wants to win. Glad to hear he is working on his catch and shoot, I believe he can be successful at that

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Jamal is sure giving a lot of hints this summer about starting.

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This is not about what he wants, but what the team needs. He can be the second unit spark, the leader there, the guy, who changes the entire direction of the game - JJ can't be that and he is useless if he does not start!

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david wrote:

Jamal is sure giving a lot of hints this summer about starting.

Uh oh. I wonder what drives this guy to do this. I'm so glad that Reggie Bullock is exceeding expectations. By next year he may be ready to step in and take over the 6th man role, and we can package Crawford and DJ together to get a top tier center

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I don't think I want anyone on any team I root for who has no desire to start. If you don't want to start, think you are good enough to start, then you don't have the drive to be the best you can. There is a difference between wanting to start, though, and being a negative force on a team. I don't see any indication that Crawford is a negative influence. Sure he wants to start, everyone does. Maybe he will too. BUT, he has always been a loyal teammate who tried his best whether starting or coming off the bench. Same for JJ. Whoever starts will, I am sure, get the full support of the backup SG and neither will backstab the other or create any locker room issues.

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I'm not completely against it, now looking at the roster with the addition of Jamison it might not be a bad thing. I'm not saying it should be done, but I would like for Doc to come in with an open mind and be willing to take a look at it.

I would also hope that a chance is all it would take, if proved to be better for the team for him to come off the bench I would hope he would embrace the role once again. I personally think that he was ok with it last year because he knew Chauncey or Willie weren't going to take to many of his minutes.

JJ is a better defender than Jamal and it might benefit the team if we have someone who could lessen the chance of penetration on the bench.I'm not sure how much of a better defender JJ is though, other than by reputation.

I think that the starting role isn't the most important part, it's all about the minutes and matchups. I would like for our team to distribute minutes to these guys according to matchups and success; if they are shooting lights out and playing great keep them in longer, if they are playing terrible (whether that be getting beat constantly on defense or ineffective on offense) then sit them out. I would even be willing to put in Reggie in certain cases.

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I completely agree. Last year Matt Barnes was supposed to be our second unit SF, yet you look at minute distribution and it was close to (if not more than) the minutes we gave to Caron Butler. We can take this same approach to minute distribution between Redick and Crawford. At the end of the season we should not see a consistent minute per game pattern between these two, and if this is the case this means Doc was giving these minutes out on the basis of favorable matchups.

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In a way an unhappy Crawford who pushes himself out the door is good for us long term. It means we can develop Bullock sooner who's more level headed at this point. Will Bullock be as good right away? Of course not. But he has the upside to definitely be a 12-14 ppg guy off the bench. What's more is he's said at the NBA level he's more comfortable at SG anyways.

I say we keep Crawford this last year while his contract is 5 mill then cut or trade him when it drops to 1.5 mill guaranteed next year.

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Dude we'll never have to cut him unless they just want to lower the payroll. That contract is primo for almost any team. Definition of instant offense for 5.5mil per year with super cheap buyout.

If you're good and want to get better: trade for Jamal.

If you're terrible and want to shed salary: trade for Jamal.

He can be offered to literally the whole league and we'll get something back. The great thing right now, I really have no idea what we need! Roster looks great.

I guess the only thing that could help us at the deadline or next summer, a guy like Big Baby or Scola, some guy like that. Borderline starter at 4/5 being paid around the midlevel.

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why would you cut Crawford.. you feel that the JJ will be a better player for the Clippers in the long run?

I AM SURE HE WANTS TO START but knows his role & responsibility as that 6th man...and he is accepting it for what it is.

With the team we have right now... againwe have two starting teams...

We have a lot of players, that will want prove themselves on the court as New Clippers...

thequestion..is who will gel with who better...

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I want to keep Jamal, and I wouldn't mind giving him a shot at starting. I also wouldn't be against trading him if the right player was being shopped. You also have to take into account who you give him to, because I would hate to fill OKC's need for a sixth man. If it was for the right player though, I definitely would be tempted.

Reggie really does add intrigue to the mix, because he could really benefit from shipping Jamal next year. Let's not forget that we have Willie out there as well, who could fill in as a SG in either a bench or starting role. SG is really a strong position forus now,and loyalty only goes so far in this business.

Jamal has become one of my favorite Clippers this last season, even if I'm mad at him for canceling my son's camp, he has handled himself well and I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he will do it again. I would also not mind seeing a three point shooting line up with him and Reddick every once in a while. With that said this only becomes intriguing if the right player becomes available or if Jamal became a problem (which I don't foresee happening).

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Crawford is one dimensional. The only thing he brings to table is his one-on-one offense. With Vinny's (lack of) offense scheme last year, we needed Crawford to bail us out. But if we could trade him for a solid "big", that might put us over the top.

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Jamal Crawford's passing ability is underrated due to the fact that every team he's been on required him to put shots up. I'm not saying he's Rondo by any means, but I wouldn't call him one dimensional. I would wait to see how Doc can transform DJ before I make any moves and jump any conclusions. It was the coaching staff's fault for a poor development program on DJ dating back from when he was drafted.

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I definitely could see Jamal fitting in a Ray Allen type mold, with an option to create on his own too.

I agree with Paolo310 about his passing ability, he was a one man show off the bench sometimes, feeding and scoring. I actually think he fit in really very well with the starters too. This might be where this is stemming from. He played well with Paul, Blake and DJ in my opinion. He also might see that the starters can help make up for his lack of defensive prowess better than the current bench, especially if theylearn Doc's system well.

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Jamal is far better fit as the scoring spark off the bench to me.

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No we need to have spacing in our starting lineup. Jamal needs to come off bench and grow up. I'm embarrassed for him with these tweets. Seriously it's awkward

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Jamal Crawford is like a "mini" Kobe Bryant in his prime. When you have a player of that caliber, why not start him, or at least try and see how well it works? I'd certainly like to see how Jamal performs together with other starters.

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I mean, sure, why shouldn't Doc keep things open and let the guys play for the starting spot in training camp. I mean if Crawford plays the role he wants the starting SG to play better than Redick does, then he should be given the opportunity to start.

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Jamal is better suited to come of the bench, for many reasons:

1) He won't get same number of touches, in starting line-up those go to CP and BG as they should

2) He can and will be a spark of the bench. no one outside of him needs the ball as much as he to be productive.

3) We need floor spacers with BG and CP in starting line-up (not to say he can't hit the 3s, but, JJ is more of a catch and shoot than Jamal, who needs to take a dribble to be in rhythm, while JJ can just catch and shoot)

4)It is a team concept. Everyone has to do their part and not ask to start or play more minutes.

Guy needs to change his mentality to that of Dudley. Not saying they are one in same player, not even close, but he needs to understand that it is about the TEAM.

If he WANTS to start or play for numbers, call up Doc and ask for a trade. I'm sure Charlotte, Toronto, Orlando, would like a player of his talents.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with him wanting to start, as long as he understands that if it doesn't work out that way he still has a job to do. Whether he is given the chance or not, he was brought in originally to be a sixth man so I don't think he'd be that upset. I am guessing he just wants a shot, since Redick is also considered a sixth man type player. They are not the same, but have enough similarities that Jamal could feel slighted if he is not given the opportunity.

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Agreed...hewas a huge favorite of mine last season, but his attitude is off putting.

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Really all that tweet indicates is a response to his twitter buddy that he misses starting. No biggie. He's used to coming off the bench by now.

Yes, JJ is a better defender. We already know the kind of defense Jamal plays. Other than the occasional steal, he (like other defenders in a Clippers uniform) can't seem to stay with his man...especially against the three.

Jamal is a talented passer, but JJ's a good passer too. The difference is Jamal will turn the ball over (usually with his dancing around, showing off his handles) while Redick is one of the best SG's in the league when it comes to assists to turnover ratio.

Jamal is instant offense (which is usually best suited off the bench...like Vinnie "the Microwave" Johnson was for the Pistons way back when). But his one-on-one style can kill a team's chemistry dead in it's tracks...not so good for the starting lineup.

Finally, JJ's demeanor is somewhat fiery, while Jamal's demeanor is more ice cold on the court. This is purely subjective, but I like the idea of having two fiery guards starting on this team.

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This.

Grow up, Jamal. If you have a problem with your situation address it through the proper channels.

If you're just blowing off steam, do it in a non-public forum.

This Twitter crap is all so passive aggressive and childish. Even if he's completely fine and he's just being honest with his friend, why create drama by doing it in public?

Twitter is the demise of the respectable sports star. Play the game, that's your job. Leave the writing to the writers.

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I think there should be a competition for the starting spot. The guys should play with whichever squad they fit best. I think Vinny made a huge mistake last season playing Crawford off the bench, I thought he fit nicely with the starters. IMO the starting squad should have had Barnes and Crawford in it. I think both of these guys should compete for a starting gig this season, although realistically only one will win a spot due to a need for a sharpshooter.

On a side note, I never got why DJ often got 0 4th quarter minutes. If hack-a- was an issue, why couldn't he at least play the beginning of 4th quarters? I'm excited to see how Doc handles the rotations this season.

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I found some good articles on that topic. I have seen many people here argue to the contrary, but it almost seems as if the media believes that Jordan is a liability come 4th quarter. I'll leave it up to others to debate this.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/cli ... ime-worthy

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... re-jordan/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1581 ... a-playoffs

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Good finds C4, I read those articles and felt like I was reading posts on here. There seems to be DJ supporters and naysayers in the media as well. I think ClipperJoe was writing for Kurt Helin. I still think he needed time during the season to build on what he progressed at, and taking away minutes is not going to encourage any player.

I really think he is going to do well this year, not offensively but defensively I think he will do great. I also think Doc's faith in DJ is why he is open to bringing in mainly offensive minded bigs and not be dead set in bringing in a defensive minded big.

I agree with Agent0 about not really knowing who the front desk went after, and the details between players agents and the front office that might of been the issue. For all I know they could have gone at Blair, Ivan, O'neal, and anyone else that I wanted and it didn't work out. I have my doubts since media seems to leak about everyone we might of had any interest in, but regardless I don't know for sure.

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I believe he has a player option this summer.

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Oh snap! Well, I guess that throws that option out the window

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Had he won the 6th man award last year, I don't think he would've had problems going back to the same role next year. Him getting robbed of the award caused his bitchy attitude now.

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Oops...to clarify I meant NEXT summer. As in after this next season. It's practically a contract year for him.

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Thanks for the clarification. Well, either way it's good to know. It limits us a bit I think.

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Jamal needs to stay off twitter! I don't see JJ Redick complaining about starting or the bench! That Is why I want him to start over Jamal! Jamal has an attitude like he is full....

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I believe they're team options for the following 2 years, with some guaranteed money.

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I agree. He doesn't need to be doing that. These new guys (Dudley, Collison, Redick, and Mullens) have much better attitudes because they are coming from teams that were abysmal. Perhaps they will see their minutes dropped when they start with the Clippers, but they know how limited their time in the NBA is, and they know that a chance to contend is not always presented. They get it too bad Jamal doesn't.

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He's clearly not happy that he probably won't have big numbers since this could be a contract year.

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"I'm excited to play for him. We talked about my role and it's basically going to be the same as it was last year. He's going to use me in the exact same role." Jamal Crawford on playing for Doc Rivers next year

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Yeah I noticed that quote. If JCross is talking straight and not just saying what he is supposed to, then that is very good news. We need him to be happy.

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well that pretty much says it all huh? doesn't sound too bitchy to me.

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Jamal thinks he can score 50 "easy" if he starts:

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I wonder if he means he can do it while the team also wins. That Is a lot of shooting from him.

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