Jamal Crawford Would Like to Start, Also Unhappy? (P. 7)

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david
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Sounds like Jamal isn't convinced (yet) that the Clippers have gotten better over the offseason....

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Basically he will never get to start with that attitude. He is sounding more and more like cancer with every tweet he sends out. I foresee a trade with his name in it coming before allstar break if he keeps this negativity up.

Clippersfan86
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And we thought Mo Williams was bad just by having weird body language when his role got lessened. WTF is up with this guy? Oh well... keep him 1 more year then trade him when he's only 1.5 mill guaranteed to let Bullock develop.

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Not sure how much we can read into a few tweets. Every NBA player thinks he should start. If he causes drama or doesn't produce, he'll be extremely easy to offload. With the next 2 years only partially guaranteed he has a desirable contract for any team.

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Clarification, every starting quality NBA player plus the ones who haven't gotten over their egos. There are other guys who are just happy to be in the league and on a team.

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Front office has went from idiots to genius very quickly. To sign Crawford to only 1.5 mill guaranteed last two years was awesome. Like you said Cleepers makes him extremely easy to offload and gives him solid value.

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this is starting to sound like corey maggette all over again.

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Sounds like an honest answer to me. We don't know if the Clippers are better yet. We think they are (I think they are a lot better) but it remains to be seen. He could be great friends with the guys we let go and would see it as disrespectful to his friends to say, "yeah, we seriously upgraded." That'd be a slap to the face of his former teammates who remain his friends.

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This is probably why he really wants to start and get major minutes. He's playing for a contract.

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I would agree with this. He doesn't know yet how everyone will mesh, nor do we for sure.

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Duke you do bring up a fair point that he may not want to sound too excited about friends who are no longer on the team. That being said with Crawford it's the sum of all parts. All summer long he's made off the wall, negative sounding comments about his role, the team, his future etc. If you read tweets last year when he was so happy and all in... it's such a big contrast. Last year he regularly tweeted things like "This is the only team I ever want to play for from now on!" etc.

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Let's not forget him demanding 10 million from the Hawks who offered him a few million less. Due to a disappointing contract season in ATL, he had to settle for less money in Portland and then the MLE with us,

When things don't go his way, I don't like the attitude.

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Wouldn't mind seeing him traded for a quality backup big.

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Jamal needs to stop with that. Maybe that is his honest thoughts...becuase we havent seen them play yet..but don't put out that lack of confidence in your team on the social media like that... what is with this attitude?

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^^I didn't perceive any "lack of confidence" in the team from his tweets- he is just taking a wait and see approach. Maybe after all the hype and hope before the start of last season, then the terribly disappointing end to it had something to do him being more "neutral" for now. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Nothing alarming. If he becomes a problem, trade him for a big before the deadline.

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When you go out in the first rd like we did after a season of all laughs and giggles I expect all our returning players to have a wait and see approach similar to Crawford because its about showing and proving now. The only ones that should be having a sky is the limit approach are the new guys.

I think as far as starting goes that maybe he was promised a chance to start this season when he signed here. I could see the sales pitch by VDN being that Chauncey would be moving on and if he plays well he could be our starting two. We have a coaching change and trade for a shooting guard and then everyone immediately dismisses any chance of Crawford starting without even giving him a chance to compete for it. This is after all the same shooting guard that the team was pushing to be a all star so in that sorta situation we all would have questions.

I'm not really worried about Crawford because I think he will take it as a another challenge and will play well.

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I think that this thread is making these tweets out to be more dramatic than what should be understood. Jamal Crawford is a professional basketball player- of course he wants to start and play big minutes no matter where he is. It's crucial to remember that Jamal is a big character guy as well. He's not the kind of guy who is going to cause drama within the locker room because he isn't starting. I think it's probably likely that Jamal with play more minutes this year than Redick will, even if he comes off of the bench. Jamal is always talking about "the team", and would make sacrifices (like any true professional would) for the sake of the team.

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By the rules of CTB we must only interpret this as "I only have plans of leaving the Clippers, see ya later b*tches"

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Yep I'm not worried about him either. I do think he is a little concerned about minutes, but if he plays well (which I have little doubt he will), he should get the minutes he deserve.

BTW welcome to Clippers Topbuzz, fullcourt!

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Again I'm being the Gordian Knot guy. For those of you who don't know what it is read about Alexander the Great. He was arguably the greatest man in western history and one of the three or four in the world. It's an important concept.

Anyway my dad once told me that I could say anything I wanted but first put my tongue between my teeth and bite down firmly. Jamal's comments influence the morale of the team and should never have been made in public. Bite Down JC.

Gordian Knot. He said he could consider going somewhere else and that's just what he meant. If he wants to go somewhere else ask for a trade behind closed doors. Do we really want a guy who's streaky has no defense and is a black hole if he's got an attitude too. See Agent0's post on the DJ thread.

Gordian Knot. It seems like he has attitude problems cut the Knot. He does.

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So I kinda called Jamal out on twitter and he said it wasn't about starting, but rather respect. So maybe he feels the organization doesn't respect him idk.

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oh, wow. can you post up your tweet and his response. This should be interesting

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AndrewGD ‏@Andrew_GD 15h

@JCrossover straight up, as a lifetime clipper fan your tweets have been depressing/negative IMO to clippers? I know u want to start but still

Jamal Crawford ‏@JCrossover 14h

@Andrew_GD --ain't about starting, its a respect factor.

JahvonTheClip
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What else does he want!? Only so much respect can go around for a 1 dimensional player sheesh...

06clippersfan
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Jamal did not sound convincing at all when he said he was excited for the season. I don't remember him mentioning the new players the Clippers got this summer.

I wouldn't be surprised if he causes some drama this season and they end up trading him. It would be best for him to suck it up and help the Clippers win a championship instead of getting traded to a team that sucks during the season

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I don't love his comments but I think too many of us are making up our minds about disliking JC too early. We want guys to be competitive and push each other, so let's see how it turns out.

JiveTalkinRobot
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I don't know much clearer it could be that he is not happy in the current situation.

It could all boil over and he could have a great season, but it's painfully clear.

Can't just put this down as reading into it too much. He's unhappy, that is for sure. Unhappy enough to want out? That's unknown.

Based on Andrew's tweet, JCrossover obviously feels slighted in some way.

clipperAndrew
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Winning Cures all. Doc Rivers will set him straight. He should "respect" the team and dominate team's second units.

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He might think him and JJ are similar players and feels slighted by his instant starting perceived. Just a chance to win the starting job, would probably settle this down. If they are both given the chance and given an explanation for why the starting line up is as is he will hopefully be fine.

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thanks for posting this up Andrew. I'm not liking Jamals ambiguity right now

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Crawford thinks he is a lot better than he really is just because he can put up a lot of points. There are other things that are important besides just scoring. I don't like his attitude at all. I didn't like his attitude on the Knicks either. Its during moments like these when you see a person's true attitude. Things were nice last season since Crawford had the freedom to do what he wanted with the offense and he had plenty of minutes. Not to mention we were winning but this season Crawford will have reduced minutes and less freedom. Sorry Crawford but you are not a star.

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He and DJ should make a very attractive package for a trade. Until then he ours to do what we want with.

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Not sure what all this "respect" business is about. I highly doubt that a coach of Doc's caliber has come in and disrespected him right off the bat. Sounds to me like starting is EXACTLY what it's about, but there may be additional factors that we haven't heard about.

I'd be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on the whole respect thing, but airing your dirty laundry over Twitter isn't how a man should handle his business. He's behaving like a b!tch.

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I really don't think Jamal's attitude will be a problem, but if it means we can package him and DJ for a real Center I'd be all for saying bye to Jamal.

Let's hope the Knicks crumble this year so we can trade for Tyson and Jamal can play for his old team again.

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I laughed at that bold part. That was hilarious bro. I wish DJ could get a sight of that post hopefully it would inspire him to play better

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Of course he feels slighted the team was pushing him for the all star team and for 6th man and then suddenly you aren't even mentioned as a important part of the team you minutes are instantly cut (if you listen to some fans and media).

As I said before I think everyone here would also feel slighted in some way if you had the type of season Jamal had for us last year and then trade for a non all star and everyone basically dismisses your contribution.

Believe it or not Crawford and Barnes are our older vets and I believe that based on last year they earned the right to at least have the chance to compete for those spots regardless of if they actually start.

Even with all this said I don't think Jamal will be a problem even if he feels slighted simply because I think he will have an even better season than last.

Feeling slighted doesn't mean he will be disruptive or a cancer in anyway that is just people wanting him out the door who think like that because anyone who played for a team will tell you that honestly Jamal should be mad

He should be mad that he didn't make the all star team

He should be mad that he didn't win the 6th man

He should be mad at his playoff performance

He should be mad that we trade d for another SG

and he should go out and take it out on our opponents so that next year this time there is no doubt whatsoever about his worth.

A Jamal Crawford aiming to prove upon last year in the regular season and playoffs is a very good thing for us .

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Respect translates from "Jamal Speak" to "Start" in English.

Let's not obfuscate the obvious

START WILLIE GREEN!

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I'm calling bullish** on the idea that Jamal should be mad at the Clippers and his current situation.

Jamal was the Darren Collison of last year's free agency. He stunk it up in Portland and had very little value. The Clippers picked him up and put him into a situation where he could play a major role on a contender.

With the Clippers, he almost made the all-star team. With the Clippers, he almost got 6th man of the year.

You know what award he almost won in Portland? Biggest regression among formerly good players.

His attitude and tweets are absurd. Nothing has changed from the time when he said he was going to be a Clipper for life except for the fact that he had one decent season and now thinks that the Clippers should headline him like he's the best player on the team.

The Hawks did that when he was in his prime and look how that turned out.

I have no patience for this crap. And, as I've mentioned in this thread, social media is the worst thing that's ever happened to pro athletes. The idea that you should "sleep on it" before opening your big mouth is a thing of the past. And that's really what Jamal should be so upset about because now he has to live with the public seeing his childish idiocy instead of taking his problems to his teammates and his coach like an adult.

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He's probably feeling the pressure from both sides; In J.J. being a similar type player and Green being a fantastic backup and a decent starter (and maybe even more so with Reggie getting some minutes aswell). If only he had Matt Barnes mentality, where he might not start, but he doesn't care because he's getting paid, he is with his friends, and he will def play. I agree Pro's have a day period before they say anything on twitter, kind of like the waiting period for buying a gun lol.

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Hear, hear. I still think we need Jamal on this team to create when CP isn't out there and the offense get's a bit stagnant but how he's acting at the moment is the opposite from how the rest of the team is feeling about the coming season which we don't need right now. Everyone should be on the same page going into training camp

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I don't know if what happened in Portland hold much weight considering it was a strike shortened season and he signed a few days before the start of the season.

As far as being Collinson how is that? Collinson is signed for the minimum Jamal wouldve gotten more than the minimum easily. To try convince yourself that Jamal was nearly out of the league begging for the job is ridiculous.

As far as twitter his comments were minute the only people upset are the ones who never really cared for him anyway. No one else even noticed or thought twice about what he said because its a non starter.

I don't think Jamal has ever said he was the franchise player of this team and should be featured over Blake or Chris .I don't even know where stuff like that comes from. All that matters is what Jamal has done for us not the Blazers or ATl or any other team all of that stuff is irrelevant.

Every NBA player thinks they are better than they actually are Jamal is no different and they all crave respect.

He didn't ask for a trade or say he wouldn't report or even say he should be starting which makes all of this a non issue really. The funny thing is that yesterday was media day and with all the coverage no one even mentioned it at all which should indicate to everyone that it really is a non issue .

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Pretty sure Collison wasn't about to wash out of the league, but I understand your point. It might have been a little bit of hyperbole to say that Jamal came in for the same kind of role, but my point stands nonetheless. Just FYI, I was a huge fan of Jamal coming to the Clippers. I was one of the few people who wanted to trade Bledsoe for him during the shortened season. I still think he's a great player who can help the team win. My issue is with his childish antics with social media. As far as twitter his comments....

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Sounds like Jamal is feeling more optimistic about things now after a few practices.

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The positivity continues!

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Good for him. He played a huge season for us last year and made us scream with some unbelievable shots. He was the leader of the bench that wrecked havoc in the league. He knows he deserved the recognition as an all star. Hope this year arrives. And hope he stays here with positive attitude to get it. I get the point when Doc said that DJ is his third star, but make no mistake: crossover is, and hope he embraces it.

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Broderick Turner piece on Doc looking for Jamal to catch and shoot off screens and play more defense. Pretty positive overall.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-cli ... z2gnLFjKJU

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"wrecked havoc" can I steal that one? I love it.

Last yr's bench was - give the ball to Jamal , iso, crossover shoot. We really had no scorers. He can really benefit by having other options so they can guard somebody else. Also he needs to PASS THE BALL. He will get his crossovers. They are too good to ignore. He is AWOL on defense. Also Jamal is streaky

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Jamal is being dishonest with himself and his Twitter followers in acting like he thinks he would best fit as a starter on this team. He's basically implying that he would rather take valuable possessions away from Chris Paul then Darren Collison with his ball-dominating, shot-clock-burning iso's. Doc wants someone who plays like JJ Redick next to CP for a number of reasons, not the least of which is spacing and motion off the ball. Jamal is practicing this week to learn to play more like JJ, but he won't be as good as Redick is at being Redick. JJ won't learn to cross anybody over this week either. Jamal already knows his role, and he's absolutely great at it- that's what's so maddening about his tweets. If he can please just continue annihilating opposing teams second units, we'll be just fine. As Doc always says, "It's about sacrifice."

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