Jamal Crawford Would Like to Start, Also Unhappy? (P. 2)

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CapsNClips
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Ewwww, I hope when he said "one mans trash is another mans treasure" he wasn't referring to condoms.

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Haha omg... Fire and ice... Extra Sensitive...

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Hope Jamal isn't having a nervous breakdown.

AirGriffin
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You guys are reading too much into tweets.

Who cares even if he is having A fit? We can get a much better player that fits with this team and is younger and that can defend before the deadline. AND someone who doesn't disappear In playoffs. Don't get me wrong I like Crawford, and he's really good, but it's a business and there is always someone who is better.

Crawford has to understand his role and know its a privilege to play under Doc and for the Clippers.

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Jamal Crawfords loves LA and loves playing for the Clippers, just let the man live. No one person on Earth would say no if they were asked if they wanted to start. Jamal has been a great addition to this team and he accepts being the 6th man just fine.

TylerAllen86
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Nick Young > Crawford > Billups (who should retire)

I understand Young's problems... with D and all...Though I do feel Rivers is the right guy to fix this!

ClipsShow
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As much as I love Sawggy P, I don't want Nick Young as a 6th man. He's actually never thrived in any role

Agent0
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If there is one other scorer Crawford can outperform, it is Nick Young

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I think Crawford is to valuable coming off the bench. He is like James Harden was with OKC instant offense from sub.

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Ok, really though? Jamal is acting weird. I know it is just twitter, but he went from being the biggest LAC backer to being Emo.

His most recent tweet:

Jamal Crawford ‏@JCrossover now

"@chandler_8: @JCrossover u played now for a couple of teams but where you feel you had the best time? hope you respond "--good question

clipnasty
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LAst season (before the POs), guarantee he says the Clippers.

Clippersfan86
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You guys were on to something. He's being incredibly negative lately on Twitter. Last year it was Clippers best team I've ever been on blah blah... now it's "good question"???

Clippersfan86
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Jamal was the most happy, upbeat, laid back guy on the roster last year. This is troubling for me. Considering how nice he is it honestly makes me think a teammate (or teammates) or somebody in the front office made him feel disrespected somehow.

AirGriffin
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I really don't care about Crawford. He is aging and disappeared in the playoffs. I hope he doesn't think he's untouchable.

He is a great trade asset. We have Redick, bullock, and Green, at the 2.

We can get someone good in return for Crawford if he keeps acting up lol

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Ya I mean I noticed it the last couple weeks but did not mention anything cus I figured it would blow over. But now it is like he is purposely letting it be known and it is pretty blatant.

I could understand he would be pissed at VDN for not playing him against Memphis, but VDN is gone. I guess the Reddick thing is bothering him that bad? He did tweet "wow" right after it happened.

Clippersfan86
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Maybe as David hinted at in the OP he was secretly hoping the starting job would be his now? Does he not understand even off the bench he has a HUGE role and gets starter minutes anyways pretty much? Guy played like 30 minutes a game last year and he's 33 years old!

Clippersfan86
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How much of a troll job would it be if Vinny recruited him by saying... "You'll have the starting job when Chauncey leaves next summer" only to bench him entire 4th quarter in game 6 AND get fired, breaking the promise. Haha..

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Who knows. I just tweeted him, doubt he responds!

Simon Offord ‏@simofford now

@JCrossover Jamal, not feeling much Clipper love this off-season...you not liking the moves or what is up?

Clipswhit
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Whoever earns it.

ClipShowRidin84-Present
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good lord get off Crawfords nuts.......you guys are starting to sound like stalkerish ex girlfriends .... plus if any of you have actually supported the Clippers for more than 20 years you would know that you shouldn't complain because EVERYONE on this team is better than the Pooh Richardsons, Bo Kimbles,Winston Garlands, Randy Woods, Terry Deheres, and Lester Connors of the past ..........so stop complaining! That is for Laker fans only!

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Mo Williams all over again? I'm not saying Jamal doesn't like winning but some guys care about starting more than winning.

clipnasty
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Not complaining, just do not want someone whining on the bench. Dude came in here knowing his role.

Clippersfan86
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This is a forum. We are here to discuss Clippers topics and often times complain. Posts like this borderline on disrespect or trolling so please visit the forum rules before coming out of nowhere and complaining. Thank you!

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so disrespect toward players is fine....but towards fans its not? hmmm interesting

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people always support a behavior until it works against them

Clippersfan86
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Nobody here is disrespecting Crawford, just talking about what may be his issue and the likely solution. But yes... on a forum if you bag on a player it's not really against forum rules, attacking posters IS.

Clippersfan86
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Bingo. NOBODY on this forum wants a Mo Williams 2.0 situation. I mean honestly if Crawford does become an issue like that with Doc he will be traded immediately. If he truly does love LA/Clippers like he says he should be careful. I would feel bad for him if he got traded to a place like Milwaukee because he didn't want to buy into a bench role (a huge one with big minutes).

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So if I happen to be Jamal Crawford and I am on this site defending myself that makes me a member on the site...which means you will be giving the same speech to all those "bagging" on me as well correct?

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just trying to verify that the rules are the same for everyone on here

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Can you get Jamal on here, thatd be great. I think the closest we ever had was that cheerleader several years back (Taylor?).

david
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Er, Jamal Crawford is an integral part of the team. And his contract is a very nice value. Maybe he is miffed that JJ Redick is making more than him. And perhaps the Clippers front office has not made him feel the love this off-season, but let's face it, the team would suffer if he is traded (unless for some All-Star player).

He would like a chance to start, so why not give him a shot at training camp. As I mentioned before, he played w/ the starters in the 4th quarter quite a bit, and was quite effective.

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Please stay on topic, and PM Clipperfan86 or myself if you need further clarification on the site rules. Thanks in advance.

Clippersfan86
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Yes. Anybody that attacks you as a poster will be warned as well, I'm not sure I get the question. As I said earlier on this forum we have all embraced Crawford very much. None of us are calling him trash or being jerks. Just trying to figure out what's happening with all these negative tweets lately.

If you're Jamal Crawford feel free to chime in and answer Very Happy.

ClipShowRidin84-Present
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just explaining that unverified rumors are false allegations, thus lies, until proven with facts..........but thanks for the warning

Clippersfan86
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We are posting tweets from Crawford himself which accumulated make it clear he's not the happiest guy lately, in comparison to last year. Nobody here is posting blind rumors.

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I am Jamal Crawford...........and I approve this message!

just kidding but I do know him.......truth be told most players in the NBA put JJ Redick in the same (Great Hype)category just as Tim Tebow was placed in.....so some players feel like those players should have to perform way better than they actually do to deserve the post college attention that they receive...

CapsNClips
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He also retweeted someone saying this:

@plude_pierre: @JCrossover you and Darren Collison coming off the bench that a quick 1-2 punch

Seems to me like he knows his place and accepts it.

Agent0
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I can understand him being a little concerned about his role. He knows J.J. Redick is not a 17 MPG player like a Willie Green or like Chauncey was last season, and he's a smart guy. He's not delusional to think it will be easy for him to get the same minutes as Redick has played 28 MPG over the last three seasons, and the Clippers most likely didn't sign him to his contract to play 18-19 MPG so Crawford can play more.

Now him (which I wouldn't like) and Redick could've done backup PG duties, but then the team got Collison. If you try to estimate minutes at the 1-3:

Paul (35) / Collison (13)

Redick (27-28 ) / Crawford (20-21)

Dudley (26) / Barnes (22)

Jamal played 29 MPG last year. He played a low since 02-03 of 26.9 MPG with Portland. Jamal isn't Darren Collison who doesn't care about money, minutes or role, few players are, which can be seen by where players are landing this off-season. Jamal has pride in his game and wants to get to show off what he can do. He can't even get the minutes to compete for 6th man of the year with the current roster makeup.

Jamal could possibly play the lowest MPG he's played since he was a 2nd year player this season. Neglecting all the "do it for the team", "don't you want to win" stuff, players want to contribute, there's nothing wrong with that. Unless you think he's oblivious to how rotations work, do you expect him to be jumping for joy?

The off-season moves just said "your role has decreased a decent amount". It probably also means most games are closing with Paul/Redick/Dudley or Barnes, not Crawford. This is why I said earlier that he should be traded, not because I don't like him, but because the fit is not that good anymore. If he was used as a PG/SG which mean no Collison signing, or could play SG/SF, which would mean no Barnes, it could work. He's a one position player though, and unless he's starting or you get a role player in front of him at his position his minutes can only get so high.

Though there is uncertainty about his health, I would make calls to Phoenix about Frye in a deal involving Crawford. Since Crawford is not fully guaranteed, Phoenix can save next season. Frye will make a little more, but not too much more. But we'll see what happens.

I don't think it is fair for people to expect him to get giddy about it. No one expected Asik to say "yay we signed Dwight Howard, now I'm a backup with a smaller role".

If he settles and accepts the role though, he's a nice asset as a bench scorer.

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Solid post. I like the minute break down, puts things in perspective for him. I am not sure I am crazy about having WG come in off the bench, as that would leave the burden of scoring on collison or maybe jamison, but it is something to consider if the right deal came.

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This thread is giving me a headache. Crossover is a professional player making big bucks. I am pretty sure he will do his job or he will ride the pine and that would really tick him off.

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....and that's the problem that would dissuade me from it. If the team had a big that could score off the bench, then okay, but there isn't.

It's a move I though would have been better before some other signings were made. I would maybe start Bullock at SG if he's capable of defending it as a 3/D guy. Play him 15 MPG and then Redick 30+ MPG.

If you look at scoring, with Green, your bench would have:

Collison: 15 pts/36

Green: 14-15 pts/36

Barnes: 13-14 pts/36

Frye: 14-15 pts/36

Hollins: 11 pts/36

Now of course Collison can create which helps you. You can run your bench offense with Green coming off screens and a primary option of high pick and roll with Collison/Frye who is also a pop option. Barnes will make back-cuts, and handle a little. Hollins is a secondary pick setter but more of a roll man. It's not really inferior scoring wise to last seasons bench because Collison is more efficient than Bledsoe, and Frye is much better than Odom as a scorer. The only thing is that you have one ball handler, though I guess Willie and Barnes are capable as ball handler.

It's not bad, but like I said, you have only one ball handler. On the other hand, you make Redick your 6th man and you have two ball handlers in the second unit for that 12-13 MPG. The only issue is that you want to maximize the minutes you have Redick on with Paul and Blake, and that would take way from that.

...but again, this is all about Crawford committing to the role and the team, but I see no issues with him initially being like "crap that's taking away minutes and a bigger role from me".

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Seriously, there's no way in hell that Crawford's at home right now adding up his MPG. All he's looking at is JJ Redick penciled in as a starter. He's not thinking about any of this from a team perspective. He's just pissed. I bet if the Clippers had someone Top Tier at the 2, then he wouldn't be saying anything. But they don't, its JJ Reddick. He's there to fit a specific role, and he's going to do it well.....but all Crawford sees is that he's not a better basketball player. I don't blame him for being upset, but he's gotta just deal with it if he wants to win games...

Agent0
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I don't think he's adding up his minutes, but I think him looking at roles is the same effect. Last season he was off the bench behind Green, he's better than Green, he knows that, and he signed knowing his role. This time around, he knows he isn't behind a guy that is a low minute starter, and that 6th man minutes aren't as realistic, and while he won't be adding up his minutes, it's pretty obvious to realize that his playing time is most likely going down 6+ minutes a game. That's half a quarter of basketball!

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Not surprised he is a bit unhappy. He is getting a drastic reduction in minutes. I wouldn't mind trading him for a decent big man or a 3 & D type of player.

Agent0
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Well we aren't sure is unhappy, but I think we can conclude he isn't "thrilled"

ekker3
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jamal said this was the happiest he's ever been as a basketball player. (and he was coming off the bench)

if i say i like a certain type of car, doesn't mean I'm gonna go and replace my current one. JC answered in a generalized manner.

juddy22
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He means play anywhere. As in the court down the road. The local gym. Not any team.

ClipsAndBolts
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^Exactly what I got out of it.

There is nothing about his tweets that came off negative to me. I think a lot of you are misinterpreting him. Jamal doesn't come off as that type of player.

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I think J-Crossover is not so much disappointed that he won't be starting, but possibly that he won't be finishing. He didn't start last year, but knew he was in the 1st team come the 4th quarter. With Redick and Doc Rivers in the mix, he might feel that he really did get demoted to one of the backup players. Again, even though he didn't start last year, he wasn't a backup.

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Perhaps Jamal feels like he will be slighted in role off-the-bat by Rivers since, let's face it, Redick is essentially a Caucasian version of Ray Allen. A player with Jamal's skill set will then be minimalized since he doesn't fit the type-cast.

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