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Post ID: 399638by LeftHook » Jul 10, 2013 - 11:58 AM PST
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You can't base it on dunks. Dunks were hard to come by with their defense.



                
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Post ID: 399639by Agent0 » Jul 10, 2013 - 12:05 PM PST
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The problem with the statement is that they can be said with no backing, and if you create a certain conclusion or perception, you'll remember the times when he wasn't aggressive after physical play and see his lack of aggressiveness as a result of the physical play and ignore the times when he was still as or more aggressive after physical play.

This alsp ignores that there are times Blake is not as aggressive as a scorer and tries to facilitate, make the right play and read the defense without any physical play affecting anything. There are times where he starts out aggressive then facilitates as the defense changes it's reads without any physical stuff happening.

A cause and effect is being proposed without any proof of being a cause and effect outside of "I think so", or "someone said so", or people interpreting a great defense containing a player as the player being non aggressive. It's basically just saying that "one time in some game, Blake was less aggressive after physical play", no examination of other times, or why he was less aggressive (good defense on a guy who can't shoot, duh!), or anything, just using a couple of examples and making a broad claim.

If you look at the first playoffs, Blake was more aggressive against the more physical Grizzlies and less against the less physical Spurs because of how the Spurs defense played him.

@jarca, he landed on Odom'a ankle in practice, that has nothing to do with panicking or anything like that, it was an unfortunate accident or Odom securely wanted more minutes.

                
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Post ID: 399692by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 02:45 PM PST
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Nobody questioned his game before he injured his knee in Game 5 of the 2012 playoffs, especially considering he was awesome in Game 4! More made up accusations.

                
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Post ID: 399705by mj_shoefanatic » Jul 10, 2013 - 03:20 PM PST
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Zbo better watch his back next season for real. thin

                
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Post ID: 399706by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 03:22 PM PST
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It's just my opinion, but anybody who suggests Blake is faking injury over criticisms should maybe no longer be considered a Clippers fan? Just putting that out there for folks to mull over.

                
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Post ID: 399720by ClipperB23 » Jul 10, 2013 - 03:52 PM PST
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^ I'm with you on that 100% voyeur, well said.

                
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Post ID: 399725by ClipperB23 » Jul 10, 2013 - 04:00 PM PST
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mj_shoefanatic wrote:
Zbo better watch his back next season for real. thin

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Post ID: 399729by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 04:06 PM PST
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I remember cp3 and bg got tons of criticism after game 3

                
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Post ID: 399734by CLIPSET » Jul 10, 2013 - 04:21 PM PST
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Blake just needs to be 25-10 and less complaining to the refs.

                
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Post ID: 399738by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 04:26 PM PST
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I wonder why he waited until after game 4 before faking his ankle sprain then? Hmmm

                
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Post ID: 399741by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 04:31 PM PST
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I didn't say he's faking it. More like putting himself in situation to be hurt.m2 playoff in a row that he struggled due to injury

                
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Post ID: 399778by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 06:58 PM PST
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So he's deliberately hurting himself and going through the pain of running around with a knee/ankle sprain in order to offset any performance criticsm.

First, he would need to see a shrink if that were the case.

Second, that would not explain the sprained knee right after he scored 30 points (and a +18 ) against Memphis in Game 4 of the 2012 playoffs, leading his team to a 3 games to 1 lead! Again, this is all made up b.s.

                
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Post ID: 399779by Shinob » Jul 10, 2013 - 07:08 PM PST
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9466144

a small clip of blake talking in the beginning...then it cuts to First Take comments from those clowns.

                
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Post ID: 399780by tense2 » Jul 10, 2013 - 07:16 PM PST
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How do you PUT yourself in a situation to get hurt??...unless you mean actually playing in an NBA basketball game. Razz

                
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Post ID: 399788by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 08:03 PM PST
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When was the last time Blake protected the rim or give a hard foul?

                
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Post ID: 399789by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 08:05 PM PST
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It's easy to play ur best when there's no pressure? Ask chris webber aka the biggest choke artist in 2000-2010 nba era. I wish I could have seen how he responds at gm 5'when the series was tied.

                
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Post ID: 399790by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 08:06 PM PST
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What I find funny is all the news reports now have the headlines: "BLAKE GRIFFIN SAYS HE'S NOT SOFT, INVITES NBA CRITICS TO FIGHT HIM" or "WILL FIGHT TO PROVE IT!"

Dangerously out of context. lol

                
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Post ID: 399791by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 08:17 PM PST
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No need to fight anyone just protect the rim, give hard fouls, and challenge shot. Why is he so scared of getting suspended in a regular season game. Even Kobe got into a few scuffles and elbow throwing to get the point across

                
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Post ID: 399794by Agent0 » Jul 10, 2013 - 08:26 PM PST
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Was Kobe getting a point across or just elbowing people while shooting jump shots? What exactly was Kobe proving? Fighting just means that you lost your cool and the other person IS getting to you, I'm not sure how that somehow shows mental maturity.

                
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Post ID: 399801by ClipperB23 » Jul 10, 2013 - 08:50 PM PST
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You aint lying! Well said my friend.

Here's an example I like to use when people use the term 'soft'.

Tim Duncan, the greatest PF of all time never had to throw elbows or start fights, same could be said for Dirk. Funny thing is that the media labeled them both 'soft' at one point in their careers which is not only disrespectful but completely wrong.

''Blake Griffin plays the game like a REAL big man''-Shaquille O'Neal

                
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Post ID: 399804by what_up_clipnation83 » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:02 PM PST
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Blake just needs to come out killin the league next season and let his play do the talking. No need to get in a on court brawl(ron artest style).

I'm getting real irritated with the media and blowing stuff out of proportion. That's how you know there still Clipper haters out there.

And eff Zbo, he just mad cuz he getting old, Blake gone murder him next season.

                
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Post ID: 399805by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:04 PM PST
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Hard to say. Buth those jumpers Blake shot in Cousins face at Sacramento 2 seasons back were when the game was on the line down the stretch. The first shot took the lead, the other baskets extended it.

It's one example, but at least it is an example. Most of the time, it's CP3 with the ball down the stretch for better or worse.

                
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Post ID: 399806by what_up_clipnation83 » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:05 PM PST
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And also Chris Bosh had been labeled "soft" and all three of those guys are champions

                
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Post ID: 399807by what_up_clipnation83 » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:09 PM PST
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People tend to forget, Blake was clutch his rookie season when he would get the ball down the stretch. I remember when he used to go on scoring sprees(jumper, dunk, spin move, step back and bank shot).

Blake changed his game once cp3 came and started deferring. But I still believe Blake is capable of being clutch, if given the opportunity.

                
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Post ID: 399814by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:31 PM PST
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Agreed. One of Vinny's biggest problems was he relied too much on CP3. He flat out admitted that was his play call down the stretch. There are examples where Blake was dominating and Vinny told Paul to stop giving Blake the ball and take over down the stretch himself. In turn, Blake started to get more tentative when he finally did get the ball.

Hopefully, all that changes with new coaching!

                
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Post ID: 399816by LeftHook » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:36 PM PST
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Wow, are people actually watching Clippers games? Very inaccurate.

"Conveniently get hurt"? "Built in excuse"? So players will deliberately get injured... in the playoffs????

This thread is soft.

                
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Post ID: 399818by lobcityhawaii » Jul 10, 2013 - 09:39 PM PST
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Agreed.

                
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Post ID: 399829by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 11:06 PM PST
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Duncan was never labeled soft cuz he protected the rim like a real bug man and challenged shots.

Drk I agree, he was labeled soft. I think that has a lot to do with don Nelson playing him at center for the most part where he had no business in

                
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Post ID: 399830by jarca » Jul 10, 2013 - 11:08 PM PST
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Chris bosh is still soft. Unfortunately for Blake he doesn't have lbj or wade to bail him out. Bg can't afford to settle for a number 3 guy in the team. He needs to be the best player or second best player on the team

                
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Post ID: 399831by LeftHook » Jul 10, 2013 - 11:20 PM PST
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Wait, now you're saying Blake is NOT even the 2nd best in the team?

                
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Post ID: 399832by Voyeur » Jul 10, 2013 - 11:33 PM PST
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Blake's back from vacation and already working out at the gym according to that press conference today.

                
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Post ID: 399910by wtf_03 » Jul 11, 2013 - 12:32 PM PST
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blake will show them dis year! he has great work ethics! he is gonna be ready!

                
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Post ID: 399926by Agent0 » Jul 11, 2013 - 01:03 PM PST
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No, he's lazy and players shouldn't take vacations Wink

                
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Post ID: 399927by Voyeur » Jul 11, 2013 - 01:08 PM PST
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That's right. He read our thread all the way over in Greece and said, "What am I doing? I can't believe I'm relaxing right now when I have to get ready for next season several months away! DJ...PACK YOUR THINGS!"

                
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Post ID: 400077by Voyeur » Jul 11, 2013 - 11:58 PM PST
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Looks like Stephen A Smith asks CP3 about people calling Blake "soft" and Paul basically starts talking about how Blake is actually a "hard nosed competitor" and that "he's gonna go out there and work as hard as he possibly can" and that Blake gets beat up a lot of times because nobody wants to be posterized. Looks like there was more but edited out.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9468683

                
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Post ID: 400110by MartyKahn » Jul 12, 2013 - 03:12 AM PST
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That is just embarrassing. I don't know why CP even talked to that clown.

                
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Post ID: 400118by jarca » Jul 12, 2013 - 05:08 AM PST
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Is he gonna work out with Hakeem or is he just gonna practice more alley oops dunks

                
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Post ID: 400119by CP3Heliflopter » Jul 12, 2013 - 05:15 AM PST
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Glad CP3 stood up for BG.

                
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Post ID: 400402by LuvMeSumMEE » Jul 13, 2013 - 04:15 AM PST
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Blake has serious ups. Dirk, Duncan, and Z-Bo have NEVER been pulled out of the air like Griffin.......cause the only way they can possibly get where he goes is with a trampoline. If any of those 3 just had someone push them off of a porch every day before they went to practice.........THEN..........they might have an idea of what BG goes through game-game-out. Blake's a monster for just brushing all that off. Those weenies wouldn't last, no way...

                
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Post ID: 400404by Agent0 » Jul 13, 2013 - 06:01 AM PST
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hopefully just the dunks, Clippers need more dunking

                
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Post ID: 400409by pageC4 » Jul 13, 2013 - 08:57 AM PST
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his shooting was an asset last year, but yes i agree. With Reddick and Dudley on the roster that is enough shooting.

                
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Post ID: 400410by CP3Heliflopter » Jul 13, 2013 - 08:58 AM PST
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One of the reasons why I feel BG must try to learn from Hakeem is because he is one of the few players that actually has the foundation to use Hakeem's teachings well. Unlike Dwight, BG has much better footwork and his movements are not mechanical. The problem is he has a tendency to overdribble and be indecisive.

                
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Post ID: 400414by Agent0 » Jul 13, 2013 - 10:16 AM PST
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Sorry, I should have been more clear, I was being sarcastic. He most definitely needs to work on his shot a lot. Especially since Doc wants to use him more facing up, the jumper opens things up for him.

You can never have enough shooting, there's no harm and a lot of good (greater spacing, helps the players offense, etc) in a player being able to shoot even if you won't primarily use them as a shooter.

                
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Post Subject: Blake Griffin ESPN Full Interview Post ID: 401023by Clippersfan86 » Jul 17, 2013 - 01:52 AM PST
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9483823

Love this!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin ESPN Full Interview Post ID: 401024by clipperstown » Jul 17, 2013 - 02:11 AM PST
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That's our blake! I miss watching this team play

                
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Post ID: 401028by toohipcliptoslip » Jul 17, 2013 - 02:43 AM PST
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It's time for our Wilt Chamberlain reminder.

Wilt was thought soft at first.He was the

Did you notice that when he went to the rack everybody got out of his way? He

Look at his vertical leap. Same as MJ. He also if you watch out sprinted all the guards. I once said that if anybody could shut down MJ he could.

He never hit anybody or started fights, he played hard. Except one time where he got pissed at some guy, and picked him up and shook him like a rag doll. Shaq playing racquetball?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Blake Griffin ESPN Full Interview Post ID: 401029by FreaKeyy » Jul 17, 2013 - 02:48 AM PST
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Now I get it. He's not actually telling everybody to challenge him if they want. He meant the players that piss him off lol. Stupid director's cut...smh

                
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Post ID: 401045by A7XDreamTheaterClipps » Jul 17, 2013 - 10:06 AM PST
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We need Karl Malone to join the coaching staff and teach Blake and DJ a few "post moves".

                
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Post ID: 401046by ClipsShow » Jul 17, 2013 - 10:12 AM PST
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Karl Malone is already part time on the Utah Jazz staff

                
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Post ID: 401889by FreaKeyy » Jul 23, 2013 - 01:56 AM PST
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Looks like no one posted this one yet. Link Fck Skip Bayless!! What a hater... I'll take you on myself. Damn he pisses me off. What a joke, Skip Playless needs to play some real basketball for me to take his opinions seriously. Same with Bill Simmons.

                
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