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Would Chris Paul have gone to the Rockets if the Clippers had not hired Doc Rivers?
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Post Subject: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402698by clipper*joe » Jul 30, 2013 - 10:59 PM PST
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WTF?

"Hey, nothing personal, Jack, but f--- off."

To Chris Paul, who basically told the Clippers that after they squashed the first incarnation of their Doc Rivers trade. Chris didn't like that. He let them know he was heading to Houston to team up with Dwight. And he wasn't kidding. For about 36 hours, Morey probably felt like all 11 guys in Ocean's Eleven. You know what happened next: The Clippers blinked, the Doc trade got revived and finished, and the Clippers were offering Chris 107 million reasons to play for him. Crisis averted. The lesson, as always: Chris Paul runs the Clippers.

(Cut to Vinny Del Negro nodding wistfully.)

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/952 ... run-part-1



                
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Post Subject: RE: Simmons: Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402699by Voyeur » Jul 30, 2013 - 11:02 PM PST
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Bill Simmons, eh? Hmmm...

                
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Post Subject: RE: Simmons: Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402700by Clippersfan86 » Jul 30, 2013 - 11:06 PM PST
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This is Bill Simmons. Nothing to see. He's enraged at Doc and has been one of the biggest Clippers haters for 2 years now.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Simmons: Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402701by jarca » Jul 30, 2013 - 11:12 PM PST
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Cp3 did the right thing. Put pressure on the clippers

                
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Post Subject: RE: Simmons: Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402705by Jerediscool » Jul 30, 2013 - 11:41 PM PST
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if dwight had put pressure on the lakers they would probably still have him and a coach that fit their team

                
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Post ID: 402707by realbull17 » Jul 30, 2013 - 11:51 PM PST
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cp3 got booed at tonight's dodgers game. Sad

                
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Post ID: 402708by Andrew818 » Jul 30, 2013 - 11:56 PM PST
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lol he got booed last year also.And so did Blake when he was in a promotional video.A lot of Dodgers fans are Lakers fans.Probably not going to change anytime soon.

                
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Post ID: 402713by lobcityhawaii » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:14 AM PST
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Yeah saw that. Him and Kevin Durant were together.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Simmons: Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402717by dopeneon2010 » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:37 AM PST
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this is BS (Bulls#!t or Bill S.) stuff. he wouldn't do that he just wanted a good coach for once !!! And so did we. bitter man can't accept Doc's decision that is all. #Moveon

                
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Post ID: 402718by ekker3 » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:54 AM PST
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diva. does chris realize that dwight howard doesn't have a reputation of winning?

                
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Post ID: 402720by Amnesty_David_Stern » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:57 AM PST
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I'm saying WTF as well. If there is truth to this, CP3 should have came out right away saying he wanted Doc here, rather than a potential rumor like this to pop up and tarnish his image I think worse, than if he said something right away. Everything these guys do is recorded, logged somewhere or written down on the spot. Years can go by and they do something stupid and tons of incriminating evidence can be brought out like it was sitting on the desk of ESPN the entire time.

I really can't imagine CP3 being a baby like this, and I hope it's not exactly as described. If it is, I lost a little respect for him.

                
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Post ID: 402721by Flushyriver » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:58 AM PST
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Dwight's been to a final. Chris hasn't. I don't buy this though. I mean maybe he said it, but I don't buy that he would seriously leave LA to join Howard when it came down to actually doing it. I get Bill Simmons though. He's at a level of fan commitment that he forgets its still a business. Happens to all of us. EDIT: Lmao apparently KD tweeted after the Dodgers game that his life was finished now that he got booed at Dodger Stadium.

                
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Post ID: 402722by lobcityhawaii » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:00 AM PST
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Agree with you here. There's no proof. Simmons is just mad and a hater just like how he has been in the past.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402723by david » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:07 AM PST
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Added a poll- do you think Chris Paul would have left the Clippers to join the Houston Rockets if Doc Rivers wasn't hired? I highly doubt it. Just like I doubt that this threat was made by CP3.

                
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Post ID: 402728by Amnesty_David_Stern » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:14 AM PST
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I really don't think CP3 would have honestly left. Every player has friends or favorite coaches they'd like to play for but they have to suck it up. Kobe probably hates Dantoni but I doubt he's going to demand a trade, or to be bought out in any way. Same goes for Pau. There were multiple options out there of good, solid coaches that were upgrades over Vinny, even if they were long-time assistants that I think he would have been happy with.

While he may or may not have said this, I think there's a good, safe bet here he did put pressure on the team. Hell, I'd love to go to Houston with Dwight Howard and James Harden on the team, that'd be nuts.

Even if this is true, I see this as CP3 being a voice for the team, and also a man who knows what he wants, and how he wants to win. Doc being here will probably give us at least 2 wins next season simply by subbing in the right people, drawing up better plays and getting into it with the refs to get more calls for our team, and better calls for games.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402729by Clipswhit » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:36 AM PST
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I don't understand, half this forum was ready to Vinny to a stake and let him rot. We haven't had a legitimate coach for years. Bluff or not, CP3 got our front office to get us a championship caliber coach. Plus he did so without explicitly coming out and stating that he's not behind the former coach (with would have been terrible for his image). He should be considered a hero on this forum.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402730by DocHollywood » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:45 AM PST
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We were on the verge of blowing the trade for Doc over a draft pick....... I respect Chris even more for recognizing it was time to twist some arms in the front office. He has power and he uses it WHEN NECESSARY. Not getting Doc after all that drama would have been an all-time epic fail for the Clippers organization.

                
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Post ID: 402731by Flushyriver » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:45 AM PST
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Yeah when I think about it I don't think I'd be satisfied with Paul either way (if he said Move Vinny or I'm Out publicly or privately) just because I don't like the idea of all the control being in the hands of the players, but I think we're in more trusty hands in Paul then we are in our FO so I'm okay with it. Happy how things turned out and even if he did say this, just like the supposed tension between Blake and Paul earlier in the season, I'm just going to completely ignore it and pretend it doesn't matter EDIT: Not fair to bash a first round pick. Last one we traded ended up being a one mister Kyrie Irving... Besides, the money we're paying Doc is the more difficult part. Clippers aren't exactly known to spend that much on staff.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402733by Dunkathon » Jul 31, 2013 - 02:15 AM PST
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CP3 might have left, he might have not.

Either way, it is what it is now. Simmons, as much as I love him, needs to let this go and move on.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402734by Grillinnap » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:02 AM PST
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How do you guys know he was booed at Dodger Stadium tonignt? Not saying that it's hard to believe he was booed by a bunch of ahole Flaker fans, but were you guys at the game?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402735by DocHollywood » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:18 AM PST
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He was with Durant, and KD tweeted that he/they got booed....

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402736by slestack11 » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:28 AM PST
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I was at the game. They booed Kevin durant and it bled into cp3s big screen coverage. But it quickly turned to cheers for cp3. Westbrook and harden both got booed as well even though both are from la and wearing dodger blue

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402737by Grillinnap » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:36 AM PST
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Good to know that CP3 got some cheers.

It would be funny if Jack Nicholson (he was at the game) got cheered just because he is a famous Laker fan, but the idiot Laker fans in attendance never knew he was there to support the Yankees.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402738by Silasie » Jul 31, 2013 - 07:20 AM PST
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There is a lot of reaction on this thread to something that could be total BS or could be true or could be a distortion of what happened. Why bother?

Conjecture might be fun but why would people start judging CP3 again when we have no idea of what actually happened. Don't give gutter press any credence by reacting!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402744by FightOnRon » Jul 31, 2013 - 09:03 AM PST
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Does this matter,no. He is here and it is done. Just another dumb arse talking head with nothing else to whine about during the off season and needs to vent his everlasting hate.

But my Dodger peeps again pissed me off last night raining down their boos on the best PG in the league. What a pile of Laker losers we have at the Ravine. Of course,they could have been booing Durant since both were shown together and when they were shown, Chris kept looking down like he was not interested at all. But I am too old to fight off 50000 losers.

                
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Post ID: 402747by Silasie » Jul 31, 2013 - 09:20 AM PST
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Exactly!!!

                
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Post ID: 402749by pageC4 » Jul 31, 2013 - 09:22 AM PST
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most Dodgers fans are also Lakers fans

                
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Post ID: 402752by pageC4 » Jul 31, 2013 - 09:53 AM PST
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Its a tough dilema. I too am a Dodgers fan, but I hate that their fan base is aligned with the Lakers

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402753by Agent0 » Jul 31, 2013 - 09:57 AM PST
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Well he didn't

It's Bill Simmons

It wasn't even possible without a trade

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402756by cleepers » Jul 31, 2013 - 10:06 AM PST
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"The Clippers blinked"...? Oh really, Mr. Simmons?

So let me get this straight... The FO that kept saying the deal isn't dead -- despite Danny Ainge and David Stern both saying it WAS dead -- and insisted on only parting with one draft pick... ended up getting their man for precisely one draft pick.

Their big risk was losing Chris Paul if they didn't get the best coach available. So they eliminated that risk by getting an even better coach who WASN'T available.

Donald has let big free agents walk before and has proven to be unafraid of the consequences. For whatever reason he has always liked CP3 and has done everything he can to make him happy, but if he thought Chris was muscling in on his business and twisting his arm, he wouldn't give a flying f*ck about being labelled "same old Sterling" by the likes of you.

So no, Mr. Simmons... for better or worse, Donald Sterling runs the Clippers.

Still... your tears taste remarkably sweet considering their bitter source.

                
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most Dodgers fans are also Lakers fans

                
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Rumors mixed and Bill Simmons, what a drink, LOL.

In the end it's not what Paul "supposedly" said, but what he does/did that's important.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402761by clipperstown » Jul 31, 2013 - 11:05 AM PST
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he's still butthurt, and now he wants to create drama in clipper land. **** off simmons

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402764by wessleejr » Jul 31, 2013 - 11:52 AM PST
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Bill even before CP3 re-sign he is already our manager you see how good our manager and point guard? he makes our team better and better. If he threat our FO of going to Rockets if they will not hire DOC, thank you CP3 now we don't have have the better team but we have the best team ever.

                
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I have to admit as much as I don't like Simmons there may be some truth to these speculations. Pauls motivation has always been to win. The year he left new orleans was quite interesting because the hornets started the season pretty well. Then midway they made some real bad trades that hurt the team and Paul went from supportive and optimitic to "get me the hell out of here." I suspect that two years of a second round exit and first round exit did not convince Chris Paul that the front office was doing enough to build a contender, and if you look at how bold this years off season moves were there was really no doubt that the clippers were doing all they could to jettison dead weight and fix difficiencies. I think had the clippers not fired Vinny and made all the ensuing moves we would have seen Paul go to Houston to be paired with Harden and Dwight. Luckily for us the clippers didn't do what the Lakers did, which is to say they just stood and watched, the clippers took matters into their own hands and said we know Vinny wasn't the right coach, we know you need shooters, so they went out and fixed all of it. And I think that spoke volumes to Chris by the three words "I'm all in"

                
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Post ID: 402766by pageC4 » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:07 PM PST
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I think this should be a cautionary tale for the front office though. criteria for hiring a coach should never be cost it should be performance. In that regard we made an error in Vinny in the first place, but I can forgive this front office because it righted that wrong by hiring Doc. I just hope they learn from this and never try to take a frugal approach to coaching acquisitions.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402768by CapsNClips » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:17 PM PST
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If Smmons really wanted to create a good 30 for 30 documentary, he'd make it about his own struggle of trying to make it as a respectable writer in the sports world for 20+ years of trying. The journey will focus on all of the bridges he has burnt with successful sports people and the lack of respect he gets from his peers.

30 for 30 presents: 'Writers Block'

Tag line: "The only story too harsh to report.........was his own"

                
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Post ID: 402774by clipper*joe » Jul 31, 2013 - 12:52 PM PST
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That's Brilliant! Shocked

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Post ID: 402776by pageC4 » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:26 PM PST
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lol. Its funny we seem to be his biggest target now. Even before the doc rivers trade he kind of took jabs. I remember Mike dunleavy had a lot of issues with him

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402782by JayClip » Jul 31, 2013 - 01:57 PM PST
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Matt Barnes recently said in an interview that he and CP3 wanted to be a package deal and that the Clippers were their first choice, which implies they were looking at other options as well. If Paul wanted to team up with Dwight, he would have had to take a paycut in addition to smaller raises and a shorter contract.

I don't think that Rivers was the be-all, end-all for him staying, but it was at the top of his list. If CP3 flexed his muscle, I'm not mad at him. He knows that his say carried a lot of weight at least until he re-signed. He may as well make the most of it since he was committing to the team for the long haul.

I'm tired of Bill Simmons. He's done some great things, but he ought to have a little more tact. He lets his fandom get in the way too much imo.

                
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Post ID: 402783by TheDude » Jul 31, 2013 - 02:06 PM PST
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Gotcha covered.

                
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Post ID: 402784by TheDude » Jul 31, 2013 - 02:07 PM PST
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As good as it gets buddy.

                
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Post ID: 402785by ClipperSean » Jul 31, 2013 - 02:08 PM PST
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LOL.... that is good

                
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Thanks Gentleman

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402790by ClipperFaithful » Jul 31, 2013 - 02:39 PM PST
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haters will hate

doesn't really matter if he didn't or didn't

honestly i kind of hope he did. sterling has been paying recently, but his cheap history isn't far behind him

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402793by ClipSince7thGrade » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:36 PM PST
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I think that this could be true, I'm upset that he'd pull a move like that but with all honesty I thought CP3 was gone as soon as we got knocked out of the first round and going to the rockets would make the most sense for him if he were to be able to be paired with D12 and Harden. I just don't get how Simmons is saying this now when all the speculation when both D12 and CP3 were free agents was that they'd link up with the Hawks not the Rockets. Also the Hawks were the only ones with enough cap space as is when those rumors were flying around. Sounds to me that this is either bs or Chris Paul dealt out a blank threat so he could get the coach he wanted.

                
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Post ID: 402794by Akclipps » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:37 PM PST
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Chris signed already so this news from Bill Simmons doesn't even matter now.. I just think Bill can't get over that Doc Rivers called him an idiot in national television lol

                
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Post ID: 402795by clipper*joe » Jul 31, 2013 - 03:38 PM PST
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Much obliged Smile

                
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Post ID: 402799by ClipperB23 » Jul 31, 2013 - 04:15 PM PST
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CP was staying in LA regardless.

Bill Simmons and his 12 year old looking self needs to just grow the f**k up and stop acting so butthurt. The 'BS Report' by Ms Simmons is just what it sounds like, BullShit!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Bill Simmons: Chris Paul Threatened To Go to Rockets Post ID: 402807by CP3Heliflopter » Jul 31, 2013 - 06:11 PM PST
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I don't buy it.

                
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