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Post Subject: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402877by clipperAndrew » Aug 01, 2013 - 02:14 PM PST
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Anyone got an ESPN Insider subscription who can post that link! Thank you!

also here is a 5 on 5 on some of the West.. Clippers (mostly Doc) mentioned a few times.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-o ... conference



                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402892by JahvonTheClip » Aug 01, 2013 - 05:05 PM PST
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Anyone?

                
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Post ID: 402899by pageC4 » Aug 01, 2013 - 06:11 PM PST
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anyone? bueller?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402901by clipperAndrew » Aug 01, 2013 - 06:23 PM PST
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how about now? anyone?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402904by FightOnRon » Aug 01, 2013 - 07:35 PM PST
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  1. What was the best move in the West this offseason?

J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: The Golden State Warriors acquiring Andre Iguodala. The Warriors are the only one of the West's top six teams from last season that added a player with an All-Star appearance. More importantly, the only Western Conference team to win games against the Spurs in the 2013 playoffs added a defender they can throw at the player who hurt them the most (Tony Parker averaged 28.3 points and 8.6 assists in the first three Spurs victories).

D.J. Foster, ClipperBlog: Doc Rivers to the Clippers. Popular belief was that the Clippers would find a way to screw things up this offseason and alienate Chris Paul, and depending on who you believe, they almost did. Ultimately, being proactive and trading for Rivers locked up one of the greatest point guards to ever play the game. No team can beat that.

Andrew Lynch, Hardwood Paroxysm: There's no guarantee Dwight Howard to the Rockets will work, but even a 60 percent chance of Dwight returning to something near his 2009-10 form -- combined with a 20 percent chance of 2012-13 Dwight returning and a 20 percent chance of a meltdown -- offers the best potential return of any move: a chance at a championship.

Andrew McNeill, 48 Minutes of Hell: Houston getting Howard. If Howard is healthy and motivated, the Rockets possess one of the strongest cores in the entire league. Howard has the good fortune of playing with a player in James Harden who can shoulder the responsibility of leading the team without being overbearing. Houston will be a force in the West.

Darius Soriano, Forum Blue and Gold: No team made a better swap than the Clippers replacing Vinny Del Negro with Rivers. Rivers brings an organized defense and championship pedigree to a team desperately needing both in order to take the next step from fringe contender to elite.

  1. What was the worst move in the West this offseason?

Adande: Oklahoma City Thunder losing Kevin Martin in a sign-and-trade. Had the Thunder retained Martin, then Russell Westbrook's rehab might have been enough to qualify as a successful offseason. Instead, OKC lost ground. The terrible part is Martin's departure leaves the Thunder with 71 career NBA points (all from Jeremy Lamb) to show from last season's Harden trade.

Foster: The whole offseason in Dallas. I get the sentimental reasons for not wanting to trade Dirk Nowitzki and start a rebuild. I do. But did the Mavericks really have to put their future in jeopardy by investing $46 million over the next three years in a Jose Calderon-Monta Ellis backcourt that can't defend and won't help them contend? What's the plan here?

Lynch: Denver's front-office overhaul, and the subsequent turmoil. Trading Iguodala made sense if he wanted out, but acquiring Randy Foye in return leaves a lot to be desired. The combination of Timofey Mozgov and J.J. Hickson is a nice, baffling bow on the whole package. At least they have Nate Robinson, I suppose.

McNeill: New Orleans signing Tyreke Evans. It's hard to judge Evans because of the mess he dealt with in Sacramento, but I'm not convinced he's worth the money the Pelicans threw at him. I also have little idea how he'll fit with Eric Gordon and Jrue Holiday.

Soriano: I seriously question Ellis' fit in Dallas. In an ideal world he'd work as an off-the-ball slasher and shooter while Calderon and Dirk operate in the pick-and-roll. But I fear he will too often hijack possessions and shoot too many off-the-dribble 3-pointers to really mesh with his high-efficiency cohorts.

  1. What was the most surprising move in the West this offseason?

Adande: The Spurs re-signing Manu Ginobili. After the way he faltered at the end of the NBA Finals, when he had 12 turnovers and eight field goals in the final two games, he looked ready to head back to the hacienda in Argentina. Apparently the Spurs' loyalty to their mainstay trio really runs that deep. I just don't see how things would get better if they make it back to the Finals.

Foster: Denver's nosedive. Losing your general manager to another team is one thing, but following that up by firing the reigning NBA Coach of the Year and then letting your best player go to a conference rival? I'm not sure that I've ever witnessed a more destructive offseason. And no, Hickson should not be used as a flotation device.

Lynch: The Pelicans' addition of Tyreke Evans after nabbing Jrue Holiday was a pas de Deux of surprise. It was shocking enough when New Orleans parlayed its sixth overall pick into Holiday. Bringing Evans and his $11 million salary on board, when his role is still undefined, doubled down on the confusion.

McNeill: Iguodala to the Warriors. The Warriors were one of the most fun teams to watch on a nightly basis in 2012-13 and throwing Iggy into that mix creates the type of I-have-no-idea-what-I'm-going-to-see-tonight feeling that practically forces you to tune in. Iguodala also gives the Warriors a plus defender come playoff time.

Soriano: The Warriors' shedding of salary in order to acquire Iguodala was a shocker. The Dubs entered free agency with little financial flexibility, but they turned two high-priced end-of-the-bench players into enough cap space to sign the best small forward on the market.

  1. What was the biggest steal in the West this offseason?

Adande: The Warriors sending Richard Jefferson, Andris Biedrins and Brandon Rush to the Utah Jazz for ... salary-cap space. Normally I don't cheer salary dumps (can we really say the Atlanta Hawks are a better team a year after trading Joe Johnson to the Brooklyn Nets?), but the Warriors sending away three guys who played a total of 56 minutes in the playoffs put them in position to acquire Iguodala (see answer No. 1).

Foster: The Suns swiping Eric Bledsoe for Jared Dudley. Even if Bledsoe's development somehow stagnated completely, he's still a more valuable asset to the rebuilding Suns than Dudley was. The Suns risked very little for a player who could be an absolute star and one of the best defensive forces in basketball. Not a bad start for the new regime.

Lynch: Trey Burke to the Jazz for the 14th and 21st picks. The deal works for both Utah and Minnesota, but it's a veritable larceny for Utah. Burke stands to be in the rookie of the year discussion, and he's the type of dynamic point guard that the Jazz have sorely missed since the departure of Deron Williams.

McNeill: Kevin Martin to the Timberwolves. The Thunder let the major piece in the Harden trade sign with Minnesota and didn't get much in return. The Wolves gets a veteran shooting guard that (if healthy) can fit in nicely with a young team that (if healthy) should be a playoff contender.

Soriano: The Pelicans' trade to acquire Holiday by sending out the draft rights to Nerlens Noel. The Kentucky big man is very talented and has tremendous upside, but he's also coming off a serious knee injury and hasn't played a single NBA minute yet. The Pelicans were able to turn that into an All-Star point guard.

  1. Who's the most intriguing new addition on a West team?

Adande: Rivers as coach of the Clippers. This is the first time he's taken over a team with high expectations. When he got to Boston, the Celtics were coming off a 36-46 record. The roster for Doc's first team in Orlando was so pedestrian that a .500 record was enough to make him the NBA Coach of the Year. But the best regular season in Clippers history wasn't enough for Del Negro to keep his job. That's a high bar for Rivers to clear.

Foster: Iguodala to the Warriors. He has always been an underrated distributor, so what will Iguodala look like utilizing two deadly offensive weapons in Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson? Iguodala has never had the chance to supplement a star scorer since he's been in his prime, and now he'll get the chance.

Lynch: Mike Miller to the Grizzlies might be a case of too little, too late, but I can't wait to see Memphis with a player who can stretch the floor and play workable defense. If Miller's healthy and able to shoot, he adds another facet to a Grizzlies team that needs help in the top-heavy West.

McNeill: Jared Dudley to the Clippers. Dudley's the type of player who plays better on winning teams, though unlike similar players it's not because of a lack of effort. He's simply the type of player whose talents complement players around him. His size and 3-point shooting should find a nice home in Chris Paul's offense.

Soriano: I'll be watching Howard's play in Houston very closely. Dwight heads into a situation with ball-dominant guards in an offensive system very similar to the one he seemed to dislike so much in Los Angeles. What adjustments he and the Rockets make to meet in the middle should be a major story all season.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402905by FightOnRon » Aug 01, 2013 - 07:35 PM PST
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But I don't think this was an insider articlel

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402906by seanrooks » Aug 01, 2013 - 07:43 PM PST
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yeah there was another article that was insider, the west report cards

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402980by FightOnRon » Aug 02, 2013 - 11:57 AM PST
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Found it,but it is pretty long,lot of bandwidth to hog up so this is DAVID's call,but here is the bit for us and our hall buddies:

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS | GRADE: A+ Additions: Chris Paul (re-sign), J.J. Redick (S&T), Jared Dudley (trade), Darren Collison (FA), Matt Barnes (re-sign), Byron Mullens (FA), Reggie Bullock (draft), Ryan Hollins (re-sign), Doc Rivers (VP & Coach)

Subtractions: Eric Bledsoe (Suns), Caron Butler (Suns), Grant Hill (retired), Chauncey Billups (Pistons), Ronny Turiaf (Timberwolves), DaJuan Summers, Vinny Del Negro (coach)

Much has been made of the Rockets landing Howard, but you could argue that the Clippers made the two biggest moves of the summer.

First they somehow convinced Rivers to leave Boston. Say what you will about Rivers, bitter Celtics fans, but he can coach and knows how to fit alpha dogs into a cohesive whole. The Clippers needed a coaching upgrade if they were going to take the next leap, and the team landed the best one available.

Rivers' arrival also went a long way in convincing Paul to re-sign. The All-Star point guard was the best free agent on the market, and the Clippers found a way to keep him in L.A.

They weren't done there, though. The Clippers added Redick to shore up their shooting, Dudley to serve as an all-around glue guy, Collison to back-up Paul for just $1.9 million a year and a bouncy, face-the-basket big man in Byron Mullens.

I even loved their draft pick, Reggie Bullock, who was one of the best shooters in this year's class and should be able to immediately step in and play minutes.

They did all of this without going over the luxury tax (for now) and lost just one first-round pick (in 2015).

As good as the summer was for the Rockets, I think the Clippers that were the NBA's biggest winners. Not only will they field a true title contender next season, but they are now well-positioned to be competitive for years to come.

LOS ANGELES LAKERS | GRADE: C Additions: Chris Kaman (FA), Nick Young (FA), Jordan Farmar (FA), Wesley Johnson (FA), Robert Sacre (re-sign), Ryan Kelly (draft), Elias Harris (FA)

Subtractions: Dwight Howard (Rockets), Metta World Peace (Knicks), Earl Clark (Cavaliers), Andrew Goudelock (Russia), Chris Duhon

It was the best of times and the worst of times in Los Angeles this summer. And for once, it was the Clippers who were celebrating. While Donald Sterling's crew was landing Doc Rivers and re-signing Chris Paul, the Lakers stood by and watched their dynasty crumble.

Dwight Howard bolted and, with him, went any sense of future security for the Lakers. This upcoming season might not be a total disaster. Perhaps Kobe Bryant (if he can recover from his Achilles tear), Steve Nash and Pau Gasol will rally for one last postseason push. Kaman, Young and Farmar are three veterans who might be able to help them creak by the younger, more energetic upstarts in the West. Unlikely, but perhaps.

But after this season? The Lakers are facing the cleanest slate they've had in over a decade. Next season they figure to have just one significant contract on the books (Nash) and roughly $40 to $45 million in cap space.

While I personally think they should've tried to move Gasol and Nash and then tried to bottom out for a high draft pick, at least they aren't trying to piece together a team of veterans for a two- to three-year run.

In 2014, the Lakers are going to look much, much different. Kobe will be back if he wants to be and is physically able to be, but the rest of the team is up for grabs. The Lakers are confident that they'll be at the front of the line for top talent like LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh. If they can land any of those guys, this summer will be a one-time setback in an otherwise super-bright future.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402981by FightOnRon » Aug 02, 2013 - 11:58 AM PST
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... rades-west

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402982by FightOnRon » Aug 02, 2013 - 12:33 PM PST
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We were the only A+ team. Here are some "A"s (Neil O got his team an A):

HOUSTON ROCKETS | GRADE: A Additions: Dwight Howard (FA), Aaron Brooks (re-sign), Isaiah Canaan (draft), Reggie Williams (FA), Marcus Camby (FA), Omri Casspi (FA), Francisco Garcia (re-signed), Robert Covington (FA), B.J. Young (FA), Kostas Papanikolaou (rights), Marko Todorovic (rights)

Subtractions: Thomas Robinson (Blazers), Carlos Delfino (Bucks), Royce White (76ers), James Anderson (76ers), Tim Ohlbrecht (76ers)

You have to hand it to Les Alexander. Virtually every other owner in the league would've fired Darryl Morey and given up on his Celtics-inspired plan to stockpile middling assets in an effort to land a couple of star players via free agency or trade. For too many years, the Rockets looked like they would tread water forever.

And then, pay dirt.

The Rockets first landed James Harden in a trade last October and then followed it up this summer by scoring Howard's signature. In about nine months, the Rockets went from milquetoast to one of the most dangerous teams in the NBA.

Some of the Rockets' success had to do with luck. Had the Thunder not panicked about their looming luxury tax bill or had the Lakers hired Phil Jackson instead of Mike D'Antoni, Morey is probably looking for a job this summer. They easily could've been in the same predicament as the Mavericks.

But sometimes all it takes a little luck, and right now, the Rockets have it.

None of the rest of the acquisitions inspires much enthusiasm. Canaan was one of the steals of the draft, and I could see him cracking the rotation at some point this season. Williams and Garcia give the Rockets a couple of snipers, Casspi provides toughness off the bench and Camby will be largely serve as a mentor.

There are still holes. I'm not sold on Jeremy Lin as a championship-caliber point guard (though Mario Chalmers didn't stop the Heat), and they still have some question marks at the 4 (Omer Asik? Terrence Jones? Donatas Motiejunas?). But with Harden, Howard and Chandler Parsons leading the way, the Rockets should contend for the Western Conference crown for the next three to four seasons.

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS | GRADE: A Additions: C.J. McCollum (draft), Thomas Robinson (trade), Robin Lopez (trade), Dorell Wright (FA), Allen Crabbe (draft), Earl Watson (FA), Terrel Harris (trade)

Subtractions: J.J. Hickson (Nuggets), Eric Maynor (Wizards), Ronnie Price (Magic), Jared Jeffries, Sasha Pavlovic

GM Neil Olshey has been quietly rebuilding the Blazers while keeping up appearances that this might be a playoff team. With the addition of two more lottery picks in McCollum and Robinson, the Blazers have somehow managed to inject new blood into the franchise without giving up any of their key core players.

After hitting a home run with Damian Lillard last summer, the Blazers believe they may have done it again with McCollum. Like Lillard, McCollum is a super scorer who lit up opponents in a small conference. Like Lillard, he also possesses exceptional maturity and an unrelenting work ethic. Together, they could give the Blazers one of the most dynamic backcourts in the league.

Robinson was a top-five pick in the 2012 draft, but he struggled as a rookie in stints with the Kings and Rockets. He has the requisite strength and athletic ability to be a beast on the boards. It's his basketball IQ on the offensive end that's in serious question now. While he may not have been worthy of his lofty draft position -- he went one spot ahead of Lillard -- Robinson has upside and could be an important fixture off the bench.

The team also upgraded in the middle, getting Lopez from the Pelicans. While Lopez is probably better suited coming off the bench, he had a very strong 2012-13 in which he posted an impressive 18.9 PER. He should battle second-year big man Meyers Leonard for the starting center position.

Wright and Crabbe were also important additions. They came cheap, and both players can really shoot the basketball.

All in all, Olshey has proven to be quite adept at sniffing out bargains in the market and pouncing on them. Not only do the Blazers have intriguing young players at every position on the floor, they also look talented enough to make a real run at the eighth seed in the West. In a few years, they may be far more dangerous than simply a team that you don't want to play in the first round.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402984by CapsNClips » Aug 02, 2013 - 12:58 PM PST
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He made a good point on Olshey when he said Olshey is very good at picking out bargain type deals, and that's exactly why I don't think he can be a championship level GM. He isn't the reason we got Paul, he just helped push it along. All he does is get Nick Young/Robin Lopez/Thomas Robinson type players through 3 team trades.

Once the Blazers have all the pieces in place I really don't think Olshey has what it takes to make that last piece of the puzzle acquisition. I'd love to see him try and talk a big name free agent to come to the Blazers.

Gary Sacks is way better than Olshey for us even though I'm still pissed Olshey left us.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402985by seanrooks » Aug 02, 2013 - 01:07 PM PST
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^A few things:

First of all, Olshey has gotten more big name stars than Sacks has in his career. Olshey got Paul, and it's weird that you just say he had nothing to do with it. He was GM when we traded for Paul, so I will give him credit for that. Sacks has done a nice job of doing what you bash Olshey for doing--bringing in peripheral role players. Sacks has yet to bring in a star.

Second of all, getting those small players is important. Had he not picked up Reggie, Nick Young, and KMart 2 years ago we would have probably lost that series to Memphis.

Third of all, you can't really compare Sacks' situation to Olsheys. Sacks was brought into a team where Paul and Griffin were already in place on a young contending team in a great market. He came into a pretty easy job, really, at least compared to most GMs. He already had star players in place, and he had to go out and convince role players to come in, except it's not that hard to convince players to play with Chris Paul in LA, is it? Compare that now to Olshey, who came into Portland with a team that's not nearly as good playing in market that is not nearly as desirable. Much harder job for Olshey.

Yes, Sacks made some good moves, and yes, he was a big part in retaining Paul this summer. But I don't see any reason why he's so much better than Olshey.

                
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Post ID: 402987by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 01:29 PM PST
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You realize it is extremely hard to get a star player especially a superstar right? Morey is an elite GM and he needed a good deal of luck to get Harden and Dwight. Portland isn't LA.... Getting superstars through FA is extremely hard if you are a small market team. You need to draft superstars or trade for them usually.

Besides Oshley did play a role in getting CP3. What superstars did Sacks acquire exactly? Both seem to be competent GMs so far and both have helped their teams as much as they realistically could. We were fortunate to have Oshley and we were fortunate to have a capable GM take over for him in Sacks when he left.

Getting a superstar or superstars to build around is the hard part. Getting role players is easy. Ask Morey.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402990by Heediot » Aug 02, 2013 - 01:37 PM PST
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To be honest, Neil Olshey is doing a very good Job in Portland. They have a nice team with good potential and depth. They could be GS 2.0 this year or next year.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 402992by CapsNClips » Aug 02, 2013 - 01:49 PM PST
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Sacks got us Doc, Jamal, Chris re-signing, Dudley, Redick, Collison, Barnes twice, Bullock.

Olshey got us Vinny, Chris, Young, Butler, paying DJ $11 mil because of him, Bledsoe, Billups.

You guys can pick who had better signings, I'm picking Sacks 10 out of 10 times. And if you say Olshey is the reason we got Chris then why did he re-sign with us? Maybe because he would've came to us no matter who was running our team. All we had to do was offer a better package than Kevin Martin, Scola, and Dragic. Any half wit could do a better deal than that at that time.

                
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Post ID: 402993by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 02:28 PM PST
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The situations aren't similar at all. Did Oshley get us VDN or did Sterling want a cheap coach? What other coaches were available then? Signing DJ was a move based on potential and if we didn't match then we would have no starting C.... It was a lose lose situation. We had to overpay for Butler because the Clippers were not as attractive of a FA destination until very recently and no one knew Butler would be a shell of his former self.

Did Sacks get us Doc or did CP3 and BG get him? Remember CP3 allegedly threatened to go to the Rockets since we were moving away from the Doc deal and Doc would not sign with the Clippers unless he knew CP3 was re-signing. Both of these moves were dependent on each other to succeed. No Doc=no CP3(supposedly), no Cp3=no Doc. Kind of an obvious move to make. Also did Sacks get us Barnes or did CP3 do that? CP3 was the one who personally recruited and recommended him.

Overall, both did a good job while they were here. You can argue Sacks did a better job but its not fair to compare when Sacks had a much more favorable situation. By the time Sacks took over the Clippers reputation and situation improved a lot. The Clippers became a FA hot spot and we were fortunate a coach of Doc's caliber was even available.

                
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Post ID: 402996by CapsNClips » Aug 02, 2013 - 02:48 PM PST
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^^^^

First of all there were available good coaches. We interviewed Mark Jackson right after Vinny.

And you can't say Olshey gets a break because he thought DJ and Butler would be better because that's his job to evaluate talent. That's like if the U.S. re-elected Bush because we understand that the job is hard and he's trying his hardest...oh wait actually we did do that. My bad.

Anyways, what moves did Olshey do after we got Chris that made it seem like he was committed to winning? Trading for Nick Young? That's not going to cut it. It's easier to acquire a big FA than it is to retain one. Ask Kupchak. The Wizards very well could have offered better deals than the Clippers, but would they be able to retain him? Hell no.

And Sacks got us Doc, he even said Doc was always his #1 target. Of course Chris and Blake wanted him but that doesn't mean Sacks didn't either. And we became a FA hot spot the minute Dunleavy drafted Griffin, so maybe we should give him the honors of best Clippers GM.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 403002by FightOnRon » Aug 02, 2013 - 03:23 PM PST
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Well,here are the "B"s:

(ACTUALLY an A-):

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS | GRADE: A- Additions: Andre Iguodala (S&T), Jermaine O'Neal (FA), Toney Douglas (FA), Marreese Speights (FA)

Subtractions: Jarrett Jack (Cavaliers), Carl Landry (Kings), Andris Biedrins (Jazz), Richard Jefferson (Jazz), Brandon Rush (Jazz), Scott Machado

The Warriors continue to show what a difference smart ownership and management can make for a team. Golden State has been on a roll ever since owner Joe Lacob took over and revamped the team's front office, and this summer was no different.

Through a series of creative cap maneuvers -- primarily via getting the Jazz to swallow the final years of Biedrins, Jefferson and Rush in exchange for draft picks -- the Warriors were able to address their biggest weakness with the addition of Iguodala. With two gunners in the backcourt and talented scoring options in the frontcourt, Iguodala is the perfect glue guy to hold this team together. The move also strengthened their bench, as Harrison Barnes can now move to a sixth-man role.

The move came at a price, though. The Warriors couldn't afford to keep Jack and Landry, and they gave away two future first-rounders. But they're right in the title conversation now -- a remarkable feat for a team that was still stuck in the lottery last summer.

NEW ORLEANS PELICANS | GRADE: B- Additions: Jrue Holiday (trade), Tyreke Evans (S&T), Al-Farouq Aminu (re-sign), Anthony Morrow (FA), Greg Stiemsma (FA), Jeff Withey (trade)

Subtractions: Robin Lopez (Blazers), Greivis Vasquez (Kings), Lance Thomas, Terrel Harris (Blazers), Xavier Henry, Lou Amundson, Roger Mason Jr.

I'm not sure any team had a more controversial summer than the Pelicans. Whether you took issue with naming a NBA team after a goofy bird, questioned their decision to trade away a guy who probably should've been the No. 1 pick in the draft along with a potential lottery pick in next year's loaded draft or you wondered aloud why they'd pay so much money to player who peaked as a rookie and won't even start, the Pelicans have given us plenty to talk about.

Context, I believe, is in order. GM Dell Demps is under the same ownership edict that Bucks GM John Hammond is. His owner is old. He doesn't have time for a long rebuild. He wants to win now.

So Demps, given those constraints, gets a solid grade for the Holiday deal. His team needed a point guard, and Holiday made the All-Star team last season at the age of 22. While I can't find anyone who loves his game, New Orleans landed an above-average player at the cost of a young big man coming off ACL surgery, who does many of the things that Anthony Davis already does well and a pick that probably ends up in the late lottery to mid-first round. If the Pelicans were really trying to shore up their future, they stick with Noel, stay bad for another year and try to add another star. But if you're going to go for it, you can do a lot worse than Holiday.

The Evans decision is a little harder to wrap my arms around. The Pelicans needed a center and small forward. Evans is neither. But Demps saw talent that he thought he could steal. He believes that the culture they've built in New Orleans and a head coaching staff led by Monty Williams is far superior to what Evans was subjected to the past few seasons in Sacramento. Evans is just 23 years old, and if he can put it all together, they might still be able to turn Eric Gordon into a long-term solution at the 3 or 5.

For those that love true rebuilds, the Pelicans lost their patience and screwed this up. But on second glance, they are still young and still have assets and talent. While I'm not convinced the Pelicans crack the top eight in the West, they still have a strong foundation going forward.

PHOENIX SUNS | GRADE: B Additions: Eric Bledsoe (trade), Alex Len (draft), Archie Goodwin (draft), Caron Butler (trade), Gerald Green (trade), Miles Plumlee (trade), Malcolm Lee (trade), Ryan McDonough (GM), Jeff Hornacek (coach), Pacers' 2014 1st Rd draft pick

Subtractions: Luis Scola (Pacers), Jared Dudley (Clippers), Wesley Johnson (Lakers), Jermaine O'Neal (Warriors), Hamed Haddadi, Lance Blanks (GM), Lindsey Hunter (coach)

I've been throwing haymakers at the Suns in this forum for the past few years. Given their rapid descent, I think the criticisms have been fair. But for the first time in a while, I see a ray of hope in the Valley of the Sun.

With new GM Ryan McDonough at the helm, the Suns officially acknowledged what they should've accepted three years ago: they're rebuilding. And as a result, they have been aggressive in acquiring draft picks, have been conservative in using their cap room and are stocking up on young players with serious upside.

Landing Bledsoe for the price of Dudley and a second-round pick may have been the steal of the summer. Reasonable minds can disagree about Bledsoe's future, but he's a 23-year-old young point guard who excelled while playing significant minutes on a playoff team. For a rebuilding one like the Suns, that's pure gold.

They also landed what they believe to be their center of the future in Len, who is huge, athletic and quite skilled for a player his age but is coming off surgery for a stress fracture in his ankle. I like Len, but the Suns should've taken Nerlens Noel ahead of him. Noel, to me, has more upside, and I worry a bit about Len's toughness.

Goodwin, the second youngest player in the draft, struggled in his freshman season at Kentucky. But he's blessed with great speed and athleticism, and if he ever develops a jump shot, he could be a lethal scorer. He looked quite impressive at summer league, and if the Suns are patient, they could have their backcourt of the future in Bledsoe and Goodwin.

The rest of the acquisitions the Suns made were really throw-ins. They swallowed Green's contract to get a hold of the Pacers' first-round pick next year. Butler was a throw-in to get Bledsoe. The team does like Plumlee a bit.

They may not be done yet. There remains significant interest in Marcin Gortat and Goran Dragic, who they could deal for valuable asset.

The Suns will likely be awful again next season, perhaps awful enough to be the worst team in the West. But they are finally beginning to acquire young players to build around. Another high draft pick next year, combined with a load of cap space, and the Suns could be well on their way back up the standings.

AN ANTONIO SPURS | GRADE: B Additions: Manu Ginobili (re-sign), Tiago Splitter (re-sign), Marco Belinelli (FA), Jeff Pendergraph (FA), Deshaun Thomas (draft)

Subtractions: Gary Neal (Bucks), DeJuan Blair (Mavericks)

The Spurs came about as close as you can come to winning a NBA title without actually winning it. If a team ever deserved a trophy for coming in second place, it's them.

To that end, the team decided to bring back the same crew. They got the rapidly fading Manu to sign a reasonable, two-year, $14 million deal. Their offer to Splitter (four years, $36 million) was considerably larger, but it decreases each year, and there aren't 15 centers in the league better than he is.

Their other additions probably won't excite anyone, but maybe they should. Every year the Spurs pull a player of two from the proverbial NBA trash heap and turn them into valuable role players. This year, Belinelli and Pendergraph might be those guys. Belinelli can really shoot the basketball, and Pendergraph can rebound and score around the basket. Both have talent well-suited to the team's style of play and are better than the contracts they received -- a hallmark of Spurs summers.

And don't sleep on Thomas, the Spurs' second-round draft prospect. He was one of the two or three best scorers in the draft this year, but slid because people questioned his work ethic and defense. He couldn't have landed on a better team than San Antonio or with a better coach than Gregg Popovich. If he's willing to do what Pop says, in two years everyone will be asking why in the world Thomas wasn't a lottery pick.

UTAH JAZZ | GRADE: B Additions: Trey Burke (draft), Rudy Gobert (draft), Andris Biedrins (trade), Richard Jefferson (trade), Brandon Rush (trade), John Lucas III (FA), Ian Clark (FA), Warriors' 2014 1st Rd draft pick

Subtractions: Paul Millsap (Hawks), Al Jefferson (Bobcats), Mo Williams, Randy Foye (Nuggets), DeMarre Carroll (Hawks), Earl Watson (Blazers), Kevin Murphy (Warriors)

As long as I've known him, Kevin O'Connor has never been a fan of tanking. The reason being that a culture of losing starts forming and that playing meaningful basketball is as important to a player's development as playing lots of minutes.

For years, the Jazz have embodied that philosophy. This year, that's all changing.

With Dennis Lindsey now leading the team and the NBA landscape changing, the Jazz have joined the teams "Riggin' for Wiggins." And somewhere, O'Connor's blood pressure is soaring.

The team is loaded with young talent already. Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter have been mentored for several seasons behind veterans, and both have the potential to be All-Stars someday. Ditto for Gordon Hayward. And lots of people on the team are high on Alec Burks as well. So deciding to let Milsap, Jefferson and Williams walk this summer was about more than just tanking -- it was about giving their young core a chance before difficult decisions have to be made in free agency.

The newest addition to that young core is Burke, who the Jazz traded up to get. While I was higher on a couple of other point guards in the draft, I understand that the Jazz need a leader for their young team and what Burke possesses in spades is moxy. His lack of size and elite athletic ability were exposed at summer league. But he's a tough player who plays with a chip on his shoulder and he should find a way to overcome his physical weaknesses.

The drafting of Gobert was also about upside. He's not ready to play in the NBA, but his 7-foot-9 wingspan and his work ethic were too much for the Jazz to pass on. Clark, the MVP of the championship game at the Las Vegas Summer League, also gives them a young player who can score from both positions in the backcourt.

Biedrins, Jefferson and Rush were all throws-in so that the Jazz could get a hold of the Warriors' 2014 and 2016 first-round picks. Biedrins and Rush both have upside and could end up getting minutes this season, and perhaps even another contract in Utah.

If the Jazz are going to be bad, they only want to be bad for one year -- and they picked the right year to do it. The competition in the West was likely too stiff to make the playoffs anyway. Next year's draft is loaded, and a year of leadership experience for Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks and Burke is a good thing.

Flush with cash next summer, the Jazz can re-sign who they want, add others via free agency and move right back into being contenders in 2014-15.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 403003by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 03:28 PM PST
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Mark Jackson isn't exactly a great coach and he was very unproven then.... Even more than VDN. Mike Malone was the real brains of the operation. Mark Jackson is a great motivator but that is about it. Basically a rich man's VDN. Not to mention I doubt Sterling was as willing to shell out money then as compared to now.

Its not possible to predict the future. Evaluating talent is often hit or miss. If Oshley did not match DJ's contract then we would have no starting C. We were forced to overpay or have a hole at the C spot. Butler was someone CP3 wanted. No one knew that Butler would go from a fairly good player to below average in one season. This was not Oshley's fault.

Ultimately, Sacks did a good job but his situation was different and you are not taking that into account. Sacks got us Doc but it was far from a difficult decision. It was an obvious move. No the Clippers were not a FA hot spot the moment they drafted BG. That is simply not true. Were they a more desirable location? Of course but i wouldn't call them a hot spot. If we were such a hot spot then we would not have to overpay for FAs like Butler. Now we have players willing to take paycuts to play for us. Like I said our culture and reputation improved. BG started it(actually it started a few years ago with Brand, Cassell, etc but w/e) but Paul + other players that repped the Clippers(Butler, Hill) took that improvement to a higher level.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 403005by CapsNClips » Aug 02, 2013 - 03:39 PM PST
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If Griffin didn't make us a FA destination then how did we land the biggest FA in Chris Paul? I get what your saying though, Olshey did a good job, but I'm just happy it played out the way it did.

                
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Post ID: 403007by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 03:41 PM PST
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Chris Paul wasn't FA though. He was traded here and if it wasn't for Stern and his basketball reasons he would be on the Lakers and you guys would all hate his guts.

Anyway both did a good job. I am not even sure what were arguing about right now lol.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 403010by Amnesty_David_Stern » Aug 02, 2013 - 03:48 PM PST
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Pretty content with the off season. No big gripes. Think the team did a really solid job here filling in pieces from the head coach to the last guy off the bench. Still hoping for another big man but whatevers.

                
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Post ID: 403011by cleepers » Aug 02, 2013 - 03:53 PM PST
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Neil Olshey spent 7 months talking to Dell Demps to make the CP3 deal happen. Then, at the 11th hour when it was close to consummation, he basically allowed Mitch Kupcake to swoop in and steal CP3 right out from under him.

If there's one thing the bitter laker fans are correct about, it is that David Stern "gifted" us CP3... not in his role as commissioner, but as owner of a rebuilding franchise.

Olshey got punked on a deal after putting in months of work, and Demps risked the Hornets entire future by accepting Kupcake's terrible offer in the hope that limping into the 2012 playoffs would save his job.

Abysmal management on both their parts.

Fortunately, Stern knows his business and everything worked out well, but in my opinion BOTH those guys should have been fired on the spot. Olshey owes his current position to David Stern. If the lakers had gotten CP3, he'd be a background actor in Viagra commercials.

                
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Post ID: 403012by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:01 PM PST
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I wouldn't go that far but thankfully everything worked out well for us. When you think about it we really robbed the Hornets. Aminu + Austin Rivers pick + Eric Gordon who hasn't really done much since being traded and gets paid the max.

                
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Post ID: 403013by CapsNClips » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:06 PM PST
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Yeah I'm not really sure about what we're arguing about either. If a Bobcats fan was watching our argument about which GM made us a better Championship team, he'd slap us right on our faces.

Oh and I did hate Chris Paul's guts for about 72 hours or how ever long it took to acquire him.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Insider Request: West Report Cards. Post ID: 403014by cleepers » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:06 PM PST
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We still had the better package... picking Rivers is on Demps, re-upping EJ for the max when he made it plain he was unhappy is on Demps, Kaman was always supposed to be just an expiring contract and Aminu was a throw-in.

Allowing Kupcake to beat him by offering a pile of crap was pure ineptitude.

                
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Post ID: 403016by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:11 PM PST
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I will be honest I am not too sure about the details of what happened but if that is true then yes Oshley did crap the bed but maybe Paul wanted to go to the Lakers more and that played a factor? The Clippers still had a poor reputation so you never know. Personally I didn't want Paul to go to the Lakers though I wasn't sold on the Clippers either. I didn't think Kobe and Paul could coexist.

                
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Post ID: 403017by clipper*joe » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:12 PM PST
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He basically was. he gave his list of places he wanted to go to and the Pelicans were trying to make it work...And eventually did.

You also forget that Paul had a list of things he wanted from us before he agreed to come here and honer his remaining contract. When Stern blocked the deal, the Lakers still had a opportunity to get the deal done so long as they provided youth and picks. The deal got done cause CP3 and his agent wanted to get it done. Olshey walked away for good after they wanted Bledsoe in the deal. Olshey had already promised Gordon and the rest of the team that they would not be traded. It was CP3's agent and not the teams who pushed for the trade in the end. Cp3's agent made that clear during the press conference. So according to Paul's agent, it was they who pushed the deal to go through when we walked away for good.

                
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Post ID: 403019by cleepers » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:17 PM PST
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The way I see it, if I'm offering $100 to purchase an item but then you come in and persuade the seller to take your $50 for the same item... I shouldn't be trusted in matters of finance.

As for CP3... he was willing to exercise his player-option for the extra year to come to the Clips. I'm not sure it was even discussed with the lakers, so one has to assume he wanted to be a Clipper AT LEAST as much as he wanted to be a laker... maybe even more.

                
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Post ID: 403020by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:18 PM PST
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Pretty much all stars have a list of places they want to go to and conditions so I wouldn't say thatt. Though I get your point. Obviously CP3 wouldn't have even considered the Clippers if they didn't have BG or a comparable star. Someone to form a one-two punch with.

                
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Post ID: 403021by CP3Heliflopter » Aug 02, 2013 - 04:24 PM PST
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I get your point but tbh I wasn't particularly wowed by either offer but maybe its because I wasn't as high on Gordon as you guys were. Still Odom, K-Mart, Dragic and Scola isn't really a good package for a rebuilding team. All that would do is make the Hornets a treadmill team but apparently teams like the Bucks and Pistons are fine with that so who am I to judge?

Maybe CP3 wanted the Clippers more maybe not. I can't read minds but clearly he was sold on BG's potential as a player.

                
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