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clipperAndrew
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Anyone got an ESPN Insider subscription who can post that link! Thank you! also here is a 5 on 5 on some of the West.. Clippers (mostly Doc) mentioned a few times. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130801/made-right-wrong-mov es-western-conference ....

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how about now? anyone?

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1. What was the best move in the West this offseason? J.A. Adande, ESPN.com: The Golden State Warriors acquiring Andre Iguodala. The Warriors are the only one of the West's top six teams from last season that added a player with an All-Star appearance. More importantly, the only Western Conference team to win games against the Spurs in the 2013 playoffs added a defender they can throw at the player who hurt them the most (Tony Parker averaged 28.3 points and....

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But I don't think this was an insider articlel

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yeah there was another article that was insider, the west report cards

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Found it,but it is pretty long,lot of bandwidth to hog up so this is DAVID's call,but here is the bit for us and our hall buddies: LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS | GRADE: A+ Additions: Chris Paul (re-sign), J.J. Redick (S&T), Jared Dudley (trade), Darren Collison (FA), Matt Barnes (re-sign), Byron Mullens (FA), Reggie Bullock (draft), Ryan Hollins (re-sign), Doc Rivers (VP & Coach) Subtractions: Eric Bledsoe (Suns), Caron Butler (Suns), Grant Hill (retired), Chauncey Billups (Pistons), Ronny Turiaf (Timberwolves), DaJuan Summers, Vinny Del Negro....

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We were the only A+ team. Here are some "A"s (Neil O got his team an A): HOUSTON ROCKETS | GRADE: A Additions: Dwight Howard (FA), Aaron Brooks (re-sign), Isaiah Canaan (draft), Reggie Williams (FA), Marcus Camby (FA), Omri Casspi (FA), Francisco Garcia (re-signed), Robert Covington (FA), B.J. Young (FA), Kostas Papanikolaou (rights), Marko Todorovic (rights) Subtractions: Thomas Robinson (Blazers), Carlos Delfino (Bucks), Royce White (76ers), James Anderson (76ers), Tim Ohlbrecht (76ers) You have to hand it to Les Alexander. Virtually every other....

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He made a good point on Olshey when he said Olshey is very good at picking out bargain type deals, and that's exactly why I don't think he can be a championship level GM. He isn't the reason we got Paul, he just helped push it along. All he does is get Nick Young/Robin Lopez/Thomas Robinson type players through 3 team trades. Once the Blazers have all the pieces in place I really don't think Olshey has what it takes to....

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^A few things: First of all, Olshey has gotten more big name stars than Sacks has in his career. Olshey got Paul, and it's weird that you just say he had nothing to do with it. He was GM when we traded for Paul, so I will give him credit for that. Sacks has done a nice job of doing what you bash Olshey for doing--bringing in peripheral role players. Sacks has yet to bring in a star. Second of all, getting....

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He made a good point on Olshey when he said Olshey is very good at picking out bargain type deals, and that's exactly why I don't think he can be a championship level GM. He isn't the reason we got Paul, he just helped push it along. All he does is get Nick Young/Robin Lopez/Thomas Robinson type players through 3 team trades. Once the Blazers have all the pieces in place I really don't think Olshey has what it takes to....

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To be honest, Neil Olshey is doing a very good Job in Portland. They have a nice team with good potential and depth. They could be GS 2.0 this year or next year. ....

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Sacks got us Doc, Jamal, Chris re-signing, Dudley, Redick, Collison, Barnes twice, Bullock. Olshey got us Vinny, Chris, Young, Butler, paying DJ $11 mil because of him, Bledsoe, Billups. You guys can pick who had better signings, I'm picking Sacks 10 out of 10 times. And if you say Olshey is the reason we got Chris then why did he re-sign with us? Maybe because he would've came to us no matter who was running our team. All we had to do....

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Sacks got us Doc, Jamal, Chris re-signing, Dudley, Redick, Collison, Barnes twice, Bullock. Olshey got us Vinny, Chris, Young, Butler, paying DJ $11 mil because of him, Bledsoe, Billups. You guys can pick who had better signings, I'm picking Sacks 10 out of 10 times. And if you say Olshey is the reason we got Chris then why did he re-sign with us? Maybe because he would've came to us no matter who was running our team. All we had to do....

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^^^^ First of all there were available good coaches. We interviewed Mark Jackson right after Vinny. And you can't say Olshey gets a break because he thought DJ and Butler would be better because that's his job to evaluate talent. That's like if the U.S. re-elected Bush because we understand that the job is hard and he's trying his hardest...oh wait actually we did do that. My bad. Anyways, what moves did Olshey do after we got Chris that made it seem like....

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Well,here are the "B"s: (ACTUALLY an A-): GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS | GRADE: A- Additions: Andre Iguodala (S&T), Jermaine O'Neal (FA), Toney Douglas (FA), Marreese Speights (FA) Subtractions: Jarrett Jack (Cavaliers), Carl Landry (Kings), Andris Biedrins (Jazz), Richard Jefferson (Jazz), Brandon Rush (Jazz), Scott Machado The Warriors continue to show what a difference smart ownership and management can make for a team. Golden State has been on a roll ever since owner Joe Lacob took over and revamped the team's front office, and this summer was....

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Mark Jackson isn't exactly a great coach and he was very unproven then.... Even more than VDN. Mike Malone was the real brains of the operation. Mark Jackson is a great motivator but that is about it. Basically a rich man's VDN. Not to mention I doubt Sterling was as willing to shell out money then as compared to now. Its not possible to predict the future. Evaluating talent is often hit or miss. If Oshley did not match DJ's contract....

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If Griffin didn't make us a FA destination then how did we land the biggest FA in Chris Paul? I get what your saying though, Olshey did a good job, but I'm just happy it played out the way it did. ....

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If Griffin didn't make us a FA destination then how did we land the biggest FA in Chris Paul? I get what your saying though, Olshey did a good job, but I'm just happy it played out the way it did.
Chris Paul wasn't FA though. He was traded here and if it wasn't for Stern and his basketball reasons he would be on the Lakers and you guys would all hate his guts. Anyway both did a good job. I....

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Pretty content with the off season. No big gripes. Think the team did a really solid job here filling in pieces from the head coach to the last guy off the bench. Still hoping for another big man but whatevers. ....

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First of all, Olshey has gotten more big name stars than Sacks has in his career. Olshey got Paul, and it's weird that you just say he had nothing to do with it. He was GM when we traded for Paul, so I will give him credit for that.
Neil Olshey spent 7 months talking to Dell Demps to make the CP3 deal happen. Then, at the 11th hour when it was close to consummation, he basically allowed Mitch Kupcake....

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Neil Olshey spent 7 months talking to Dell Demps to make the CP3 deal happen. Then, at the 11th hour when it was close to consummation, he basically allowed Mitch Kupcake to swoop in and steal CP3 right out from under him. If there's one thing the bitter laker fans are correct about, it is that David Stern "gifted" us CP3... not in his role as commissioner, but as owner of a rebuilding franchise. Olshey got punked on a deal after putting....

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Chris Paul wasn't FA though. He was traded here and if it wasn't for Stern and his basketball reasons he would be on the Lakers and you guys would all hate his guts. Anyway both did a good job. I am not even sure what were arguing about right now lol.
Yeah I'm not really sure about what we're arguing about either. If a Bobcats fan was watching our argument about which GM made us a better Championship team, he'd slap....

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I wouldn't go that far but thankfully everything worked out well for us. When you think about it we really robbed the Hornets. Aminu + Austin Rivers pick + Eric Gordon who hasn't really done much since being traded and gets paid the max.
We still had the better package... picking Rivers is on Demps, re-upping EJ for the max when he made it plain he was unhappy is on Demps, Kaman was always supposed to be just an expiring contract....

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We still had the better package... picking Rivers is on Demps, re-upping EJ for the max when he made it plain he was unhappy is on Demps, Kaman was always supposed to be just an expiring contract and Aminu was a throw-in. Allowing Kupcake to beat him by offering a pile of crap was pure ineptitude.
I will be honest I am not too sure about the details of what happened but if that is true then yes Oshley did crap....

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Chris Paul wasn't FA though. He was traded here and if it wasn't for Stern and his basketball reasons he would be on the Lakers and you guys would all hate his guts. Anyway both did a good job. I am not even sure what were arguing about right now lol.
He basically was. he gave his list of places he wanted to go to and the Pelicans were trying to make it work...And eventually did. You also forget that Paul had....

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I will be honest I am not too sure about the details of what happened but if that is true then yes Oshley did crap the bed but maybe Paul wanted to go to the Lakers more and that played a factor? The Clippers still had a poor reputation so you never know. Personally I didn't want Paul to go to the Lakers though I wasn't sold on the Clippers either. I didn't think Kobe and Paul could coexist.
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He basically was. he gave his list of places he wanted to go to and the Pelicans were trying to make it work...And eventually did. You also forget that Paul had a list of things he wanted from us before he agreed to come here and honer his remaining contract. When Stern blocked the deal, the Lakers still had a opportunity to get the deal done so long as they provided youth and picks. The deal got done cause CP3 and....

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The way I see it, if I'm offering $100 to purchase an item but then you come in and persuade the seller to take your $50 for the same item... I shouldn't be trusted in matters of finance. As for CP3... he was willing to exercise his player-option for the extra year to come to the Clips. I'm not sure it was even discussed with the lakers, so one has to assume he wanted to be a Clipper AT LEAST as....

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