The Chris Paul Effect

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Good Article by DJ Foster: At one point or another, we've all engaged in the great point guard debate. The usual names come up. Magic. Stockton. Isiah. But just as you're ready to jump in with your opinion, this always seems to fly in first: "Are we talking about true point guards?" You see, it's in this bubble of truth that players of unusual size or versatility can fairly be dismissed. Score-first point guards need not apply, either. The pure, true point guard is viewed as a selfless table-setter, a pass-first player who was born to play point guard and nothing else. By that....

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"Pure point guard" has always been an interesting label/term with loose definitions. Sometimes players who just weren't good scorers and would mainly pass are called pure point guards. Sometimes players who are better scorers at the PG spot and could still pass and run and offense have gotten slighted because they aren't "pure point guards".

To me the best PG's are the ones that look to run the offense, but when needed have the ability to create and score on their own at an efficient level. So they are "pass first" in a sense, but not pass only, and not pass first because I can't actually score very well.

Paul is equally capable of scoring at a high level and passing at a high level which is what makes him such a great offensive player. I don't think any reasonable and/or aware person has ever denied the impact he has on an offense, but it's not just his passing. If Paul just passed and didn't score a super efficient 18-20 pts/36 minutes and also turn the ball over very few times, he would not have the same offensive impact. It's the combination of all his attributes, including passing, ball protection and very efficient scoring that makes him such a high impact offensive player.

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The best point guards are the ones that are elite scorers/shooters AND playmakers. There is a reason why point guards like CP3 and Nash are the highest impact offensive players at the PG spot and frankly in general. The same can be said for Lebron. A pg like Rondo does not have anywhere near that amount of impact since he is an offensive liability who cannot shoot or score efficiently even when he scores on low volume. He is a large reason why the paint is clogged since players sag off him as well. There are very few PGs I can think of that protected the ball as well as Paul, scored as efficiently and averaged as many assists. All of these are important traits for a PG. How many Pgs average more steals than turnovers? Stockton was close but he wasn't the dominate scorer that Paul was. There is a reason why Paul is always top 3 in every offensive metric I can think of.

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Making Lemonade ftw. I'll now be using that term for the rest of my life.

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Great article. All the guys who think he's not the best PG in the game just got educated and owned.

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Anyone that doesn't want to admit that is probably a Faker fan

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I've always felt badly for CP3 that he has not had an opportunity to play with big men (although Blake Griffin is nearing elite status) and coaching staff commensurate with his immense skills. He had a nice opportunity with the 2007-2008 New Orleans Hornets team, playing with David West and Tyson Chandler. I think that team was undermined by a mediocre coach in Byron Scott who did not maximize the talents of Chandler and West--note how Chandler blossomed on the 2010-2011 Dallas Mavericks such that he commanded near-max offers after their 2011 title run. Anyway, hopefully 2013-2014 will be a deep playoff run for the Clippers with a first-rate coach and some nice wing talent and a deep bench. However, their Achilles's heel is the center position and I'm worried this will hinder them from taking all the marbles. Hopefully DeAndre Jordan--and Byron Mullens--will improve considerably under Doc Rivers.

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Can't really blame Byron. Chandler was great for them in 07-08, he would have gotten max offers if he was a FA in 2008. He played great defense on Duncan. He was injured the next season which hurt them a lot as well as no creator off the bench. That New Orleans team probably overachieved in the regular season, they had no help off the bench and started Morris Peterson at SG. Okay, they had Pargo off the bench, but in the grand scheme, he was a below average player.

SA was basically a similarly built team except with an elite SG in Manu, and their PF and defensive anchor was wrapped into one player in Duncan, then to top it off, they had one of the league's best perimeter defenders (still) in Bowen, and a really good PG. So it was basically if New Orleans improved in some areas talent wise, they would be SA. They went to 7 games against a more talented team that also had a better coach.

Was that series really determined by coaching or by Manu averaging like 21/4/6 vs New Orleans who had no real solid perimeter defender? They couldn't just focus on him either cause then Duncan was there, and Parker was there, and their wing defenders were Peja, Mo-Pete and Bonzi with Paul/Pargo sometimes at SG

Now, where I could see the argument that coaching actually did determine the series was Scott's decision to not rest his starters in game 7. MoPete and Pargo split SG minutes, but after them, Bonzi played 5 mins and Ely 3 minutes. Paul 47.5, West 46.5, Peja 44, Chandler 42 was probably overkill. Still, New Orleans was +6 in the 4th quarter and went into the 4th down 15 pts, they made a comeback attempt but seemed to hit a wall.

tl;dr, start here

Now, with that said, Paul has never been on a team that good since. If they could have preserved a healthy version of that team with some tweaks (MLE to get a combo guard scorer, sign a decent backup big), they could have been good. But they had 30 year old Peja suffering from injuries, and Chandler had health issues and got traded. They also wasted their free agency money signing Posey and didn't bring a player to replace Pargo's role. A lot of issues with team building there.

Last years team was equal record wise, but was not as good of a team (Chandler vs DJ difference plus coaching fit), last years bench plus that starting lineup (not VDN coaching) now that would have been an interesting team to watch.

Seems like it's sort of what we'll be getting this season (Paul = Paul, West = Griffin, Peja = Redick, MoPete=Dudley, Chandler = DJ???) based on what we get from DJ. Redick/Dudley/Crawford/Barnes/Bullock is much better than 30 yr old Peja/MoPete/Pargo/31 year old last NBA season Bonzi.

DJ is the X-factor.

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