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How many minutes per game do you think Darren Collison will play in 2013-14 for the Clippers on average?
10 or fewer
0%
 0%  [0]
11-15 minutes
38%
 38%  [10]
16-20 minutes
53%
 53%  [14]
21-25 minutes
7%
 7%  [2]
26+
0%
 0%  [0]
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Clippersfan86
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http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/clippe ... ck-winning

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ClipperB23
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DC is going to be huge for us this year, also love how competitive he is.

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I like when guys who have the talent level to be a starter or a 6th man don't really care where they play and just want to win. SAdly, the NBA is turning into who can build the best powerhouse team but I love Collison's attitude.

If you are smart with your money and really want to just flat out win, why not sacrifice a year or two and take less to play for a top shelf team? I guarantee if we win a ring during Collison's what, 2 year stay here he will get a giant contract somewhere and probably leave, and who would blame him?

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Might be my favorite player this year

CP3Heliflopter
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Good idea to up his value by playing backup to CP3 again. I can see him getting a decent contract on another team if he puts up good numbers. Around an MLE contract.

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Can't wait for this season to start already!

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I love this squad.

tense2
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We have the pg position covered...really covered. Love it.

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Really refreshing to see some young guys not go for the money. Props to him. Its always good to see people actually wanting to play for the Clippers.

Agent0
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Great sacrifice, most surprising signing to me because 99% of NBA players aren't doing this at his age and talent level. Think about it, it's like Bledsoe signing on to the Cavs to be Irving's backup, I don't think he would. But Collison has also gone through the trying to start and all that, so he has better perspective.

Mo Williams wouldn't even sign back with Utah without being a starter, and he's older and would have had a bigger role than Collison will. He really makes the Bledsoe loss negligible in terms of ability as a backup PG.

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Collison will get a giant payday 7-10 mill a year if we win a championship and he plays great in 20-25MPG easily. The guy thrives around CP3, and I think another year or 2 in New Orleans and he would have been more coveted than Eric Bledsoe and given a higher potential rating.

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That's a lot even for being on a championship team. Probably MLE is more realistic. There are too many good PG's, and that's starting PG money. Also 20-25 MPG will be really hard to find, where would that come from? SG already has Redick and Crawford easily taking 48 MPG. You can't really move them to SF because you have Dudley and Barnes taking those minutes, and Bullock. At PG, if he's playing 20-25 mins, Paul is playing 23-28 mins, so obviously that isn't happening.

I think being realistic, unless roster changes happen, it will be hard to find him more than 13 mins on a regular night, blowouts he could get 20 if Paul plays 28

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How long is Collison's contract 2 years or 1? With Collison available, CP3 will get spelled a lot more during blowouts, thus padding Collison's numbers. Collison also, will probably play next to CP3 at least 2-5 MPG as the primary PG and ballhandler to ease the strain on CP3. This team is far beyond the talent level that the Hornets team was like 6 years ago. And god forbid, CP3 is out for a lengthy period of time Collison will rack up oodles of assists by feeding Redick, Dudley, Crawford and Griffin.

If the contract is 1 year, or 2 years, Collison will be what, 26 or 27 at that point, still in the prime of anyone's career with at least 3-6 more years of playing in his prime. Last year in Dallas was a bad year for Collison, Dirk hurt and the entire team itself was a big wash filled with replacement type players in hopes of freeing up tons of cap space for a big off season. Not the ideal environment to play in.

If Collison can continue to learn from CP3, thrive in a high paced environment and a winning environment, what's to stop other NBA teams who will need PG's in a year or two from knocking on his door offering big time bucks for him to start somewhere? Collison is better than his numbers the last few years, and I blame the systems he was in and his approach to the game. A positive attitude can result in big friggin seasons for some people who have the talent to post solid or even big numbers at their respective positions.

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Collison signed a two year contract, with a player option on year 2.

Amnesty_David_Stern
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Prepare for an early exodus if he and our team excels this season. Still, a GIANT bargain and probably the biggest free agent bargain this entire off season, and yes I am a homer but honestly...

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What bad systems? He backed up Chris in N.O, got his starting gig in Indy, was replaced by George Hill, got a fresh start in Dallas, and then he was benched in favor of Derek Fisher and Mike James. Neither Dallas nor Indianapolis were bad situations. Their systems didn't necessarily cater towards point guards but it wasn't like he didn't have an opportunity to prove himself.

There are good point guards left and right. DC just isn't starting material, he's best suited as a spark plug off the bench since he's a good scorer but not much of a playmaker (Dallas fans said he could barely make entry passes) and can't defend (not so much effort, he just doesn't have the size).

He'll definitely get a raise, but I doubt anyone overpays. The reason he "only" took 2yrs/4mill with the clippers was that there wasn't a huge market for him to begin with.

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I agree. Collison has been on three other teams before coming to the Clippers. He has had opportunities, but they have not manifested. What I think is that there are a level of players like Collison, Kevin Martin, Lamar Odom who have talent, but are not necessarily starting material. Guys like Collison can be a huge factor on a contending team though.

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Added a poll- how many minutes do you guys think Collison will play a game behind Chris Paul? Would there be situations when he and CP3 will play together on the floor?

Agent0
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It's funny that you say this because Dallas and Indiana fans say the exact opposite. You always think "he's producing well, why can't he maintain a starting spot", and they say his numbers look a lot better than his impact.

Similarly on New Orleans, he averaged 9.1 assists in 40 mins as a starter, but also 4.1 tpg. His shooting was nice, and he scored about 18-19 PPG as a starter in 40 minutes, similar to what he usually does, about 16-17 pts/36.

He has a player option though. Also there are just too many good PG's, he's just not good enough or young enough to get starting jobs on most teams

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I think he'll probably leave for more money after this season but whatever. Even one year with this guy as our back up is a luxury. We've actually upgraded from Bled, I know some guys will disagree but based on current impact, Collison is the better player. Probably Dallas fans are not enamored but he was supposed to be their starter and they sucked last year. Dallas fans aren't happy with anybody on that 12-13 roster. As a back up, he's about as good as any in the league.

The fact that he left money on the table as a 25year old who has not yet made huge money, says a lot about a guy. Loved Bled and wish him the best but we got so lucky to sign this kid.

He's good enough to keep us afloat when CP gets his annual midseason injury. We should be able to expect better than .500 ball this year when CP is out and that could be the difference between the 1 seed and the 4 seed.

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I had no clue where to post this but look

@EricPatten: 2 players have tallied at least 4,500 points, 2,000 rebounds, 800 assists & shot 50% or better over 1st 3 seasons. Kareem & @blakegriffin32

THATS KIND OF A BIG DEAL

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Vince Carter actually got huge raves, they loved him, as well as Brandan Wright. No complaints about Dirk and Bernard as well as Marion. It was mainly Mayo, Kaman and Collison that got complaints.

The complaints about Collison were issues with passing into the post, running the offense in the half-court, and defense. I mean Mike James starting over you because he can make a post entry pass better and the team does better kinda sucks.

I agree, him and Bledsoe last season are a wash, and there's no downgrade in the production from Bledsoe last year to him this year, Bledsoe of course has the potential and will likely end up better, but that's irrelevant to last years production. Bledsoe's much better on defense just cause he's disruprtive, and doesn't have size issues like Colison (whomdoes try).

Collison is not amazing on offense, but the ability to shoot and score better makes him a better offensive player, and he brings the same ability to push pace with a bit more control and is a better passer. For a backup PG role, you're not getting much better than either guy.

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21-25 easily.

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How? CP3 is going to play 33 minutes at least. You are saying he is going to play 6-10 minutes with CP3 if not more? Unlikely.

I say around 16-20 since CP3 will miss some games.

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CP3 plays say, 36 minutes a game, frees up 12 minutes for Collison at point. Doc loves running 2 guards out there, Collison is likely to spend time on the court the same time as CP3. Collison is our 7th man behind Crawford, and there are chances that Redick misses a few games as does CP3, giving Collison chances to play 30-40 minutes a game. Also, if we are destroying teams, or getting blown out and I'd say there will be about 10-15 of those types of games, the bench will come in and play all the remaining minutes. Collison will get 21-25 MPG no problem.

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Anything more than 13-15 is based on injuries, which we really can't predict too accurately. Redick has played 78/82 and 65/66 games the past two seasons, so that's a bit unreliable to get him minutes.

CP has missed 12 and 6 games the last two seasons. So lets say he misses 9 games, Coliison plays 36 mins/game in those. If he plays 14 MPG (I'm giving CP only 34 MPG) in the other 73 games, he will average out to about 16.4 MPG.. If Redick goes out, one of Bullock, Green or maybe even Barnes (Dudley to SG) probably start and even though he'll get more minutes, probably can't propel him to the 20's.

Let's say Redick also misses 4 games, and they are all when Paul is healthy so it's extra minutes for Collison. Let's say he plays 20 MPG in those games (14 behind Paul, 6 at SG)

69 games, 14 MPG

9 games 36 MPG

4 games 20 MPG

That's 16.7 MPG. Him playing any more than about 17 MPG would mean the injury bug hit pretty hard and/or there was some player movement that opened up minutes. I hope he doesn't play that much because the injury bug will not help with that regular season record.

If CP is playing 36, then he's closer to 15 even with those injuries.

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I won't be surprised if Doc utilizes a small 3 Guard lineup with CP, Collison, and Redick.

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It will certainly be tough for Collison to average more than 18+ IMO. Let's not forget about Jamal Crawford who can easily take up the minutes if Redick goes down, or if the Clippers do go small, I see Crawford ahead of the depth chart over Darren. The bigger Willie Green is likely higher on the SG depth chart than DC.

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I would be a little surprised by that because of the defense. EBled could defend beyond his size because of his unique attributes. Collison is pesky but I can't see him offering more than token defense to a 2 guard, and then you have Redick against a small forward too. Maybe against Golden State or a team lacking size, but I'd think it would be very rare if at all.

That said I'm really glad we got him. He lacks EBled's big play ability and probably won't ignite the crowd and teammates, but he's pretty much a perfect fit to back up CP as far as I can see, and has a lot of great qualities we were missing last year.

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Golden State has 6'7 Klay Thompson and 6'6 Andre Iguodala, lol.

Maybe against the Suns if they start Bledsoe and Dragic, or against the Kings if Thomas and Thornton are on.

The real issue is that there's no necessity for a small backcourt because the smaller guys on this team aren't more talented than the bigger wings. Usually a coach does that when he doesn't have depth or offense from the wings. What's the point of going with Paul/Collison when you can just go with Paul/Redick or Paul/Crawford?

If you had Keith Bogans off the bench, then yea you would do it to get more offense or whatever, but in this scenario with your backup 2/3 being Crawford/Barnes, there is little reason outside of injuries or to match up against other small guys. 3 guards made sense when Mo Wlliams was around because backup SF had Gomes and Simmons, and after Billups went down Mo was the primary backup SG to Foye.

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Pro of getting redick is he's smart enough to stay on his comfort zone and not try anything stupid to get himself injured, having a starting SG who can play for 82 games in opposed to 30 will benefit us in preserving some guys for the playoff.

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That is true, it's always nice to have healthy players

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I wouldn't mind seeing Collison and the bench guys getting heavy minutes. I like the San Antonio minute management for the starters. Given Pops success that would be cool to see over here, albeit maybe not to the extreme Pop does it (It seems like Pop rarely played the starters even to the point where he was fined by the league for sitting them out of games and not notifying the league in advance)

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collison being here gives us the chance to rest Paul at key times in the season. he is a starting quailty PG.

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I still can't believe we were able to pick up DC. wow I would've been satisfied with any other decent point guards out there but never thought we had a chance at DC. SO excited!

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Neither can I. Collison is a solid point guard.

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I think he will be at 16 minutes, barring any major injuries. Hoping we lock up a top seed early on and have the last few games to rest Paul, and then the blow outs will get him time. I think in any case where Paul is banged up a little, DC gives us the opportunity to rest him appropriately.

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I like DC's speed as well. If I'm not mistaken his parents were track stars, and that aspect remains in his game. Its hard to guard the kid because he can just get by you easily

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