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Uncle.Ben
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CP3- averages atleast 10apg

JJ Reddick- shoots atleast 45% 3pointers

Dudley- Shoots atleast 48% 3pointers

BG- averages a double double

DJ- atleast 10rpg and 3bpg

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I agree with this.

2nd unit

Darren Collison

Crawford

Barnes

Jamison

Hollins

With crawford and jamison on the court, Hollins will probably be more effective at the center position than mullins. Him and barnes can play defense and get rebounds.

Mullins can play with the starting unit when DJ comes out. He'll help spread the floor out even more making room for blake and cp3

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If Jared Dudley shoots 48% percent from 3 that would be freakin crazy!

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Absolutely, I don't think it will be that high, but with all the new toys I'm confident that Dudley and Redicks shooting % could get better. Chris can go back to just being a distributor and doing his 4th quarter hero ball while our sharp shooters hurt the other team from deepduring the game

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I'm looking forward to this myself. When I started looking at film of Mullens what impressed me where the little contributions that often go overlooked. If his team mates missed a shot Mullens was often under the basket and ready to tip that ball back in. Very solid passer too. He kind of reminds me of a raw version of Pau Gasol, a good finesse player with passing skills.

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It would be a 1st for both Dudley and Redick to shoot a high of a % as predicted.

Chances of that happening less than 5%. Chance of one of those guys hitting those %'s less then 10%. Predictions are fun though. wink

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Here's what I'd LIKE to see:

CP3: 16 points, 11 assists, 2.5 steals

JJ Redick: 18 points (breakout year), 44% from 3, 3-4 assists, 1 steal

DJ: 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2.5 blocks, 60% free throws

Dudley: 13 points, 42% from 3, 5 rebounds

BG: 24 points, 12 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 4 assists

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If dudley, redick, and dj hit those numbers your predicting can you say CHAMPIONSHIP? Although i think realistically dudley shoots 41% and redick around 42% from three while dj get 9 rebs and 2 blks a game. Cp3 and blakes projections are on point

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Great post. Collison is definitely the forgotten man among all these new acquisitions. Repped

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I would love to see BG return to his aggressive roots and average 23-25 ppg with over 10 reb

Biggest key- dj averaging a double double. with 2 bpg

cp3's points count in the last 2 min of the game, but he should get over 10 apg.

Reddick- 15-17 ppg, 40%+ 3ptfg

dudley 9-11 ppg 40%+ 3ptfg good defense

we be good.

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"At least 45% and 48% on 3PT shots" is pretty crazy, especially saying at least meaning that's their baseline. So a great season would be shooting 50% from 3PT range in many attempts, that is, a league record percentage

Yea, I think anything between 39-43% is great.

Paul: 19/4/11/50%/37%

Redick: 12/2/2.5/41% 3PT

Dudley: 10/3/2/42%3PT

Griffin: 21/11/4/58% FG /71%

Jordan: 10/10/2blks/63% FG /55% FT

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Would love to see DJ get back up to 11 rebounds per36... and actually PLAY 36!

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CP: 16ppg/12apg/2.5spg

JJ: 13ppg/40%3FG

JD: 11ppg/5rpg/42%3FG

BG: 24ppg/12rbg/3.4apg/75%FT

DJ: 7ppg/9rbg/2.4bpg/50%FT

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I think you have it very close. I would say shave off 3 points from Pauls scoring and add them to Redicks average and that would be my prediction. I don't see Paul scoring that high especially since he has these weapons now. He seems very eager to facilitate this year and defer to Blake and the others.

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That's true for Paul, I was pretty hesitant putting 19 PPG, its very likely he does something like 16/4/12.

The reason I have Redick's PPG lower is because of minutes, with Jamal backing him up, I just don't know how many minutes he will play. What do you think the split will be between them?

Also, Doc probably won't allow the Paul hero ball endings to be the primary way of closing games, though he will still have him doing a lot of creating, probably just run more stuff that requires Paul doing so much work to score.

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DJ - 12/10/2.0 blk 55% ft

Blake - 24/11/4

Barnes - 13/7 34% 3pt

Redick - 14/2/2 42% 3pt

Paul - 17/12/4

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its a tough call on minutes zero. Sometimes when you have two players as talented as this at the same position the minutes turn out comparable. Last year we had a strange turn of events where our backup small forward was arguably just as good as our starting small forward. The result was Barnes earning some heavy minutes, and at the end of the year the "second string" moniker was simply that as both Butler and Barnes almost split the minutes equally. I can sort of see the same thing happening between Crawford and Redick. My guess is that Redick might have just a tad more minutes than Crawford, but in the end it won't be by much. I give Redick more projected minutes due to his slightly better 3pt %, which to me is a little bit more of a value than Crawfords crossover and fancy foorwork to the paint.

As for the hero ball I do hope you're right that Doc manges to curb it. Paul did that in game 2 against Memphis in the playoffs and I wasn't liking it one bit. No one else could drain shots and they were becoming spectators like many Lakers players do when Kobe is playing hero ball. Hero ball just reveals that there are many problems with players, the system, and coach if the entire effort is ran through one guy. That being said I would hope that essentially Pauls offensive output decreases and his assists increase. To me the offensive burden should now be shared among Redick, Dudley, and Griffin. Last year its almost as if things were blatantly exposed at the wrong time. The offseason moves (at least with our starting 5) were brilliantly designed to inject this roster with athleticism and shooting, both were things we revealed we were lacking. That being said I feel that Paul doesn't have to resort to being the lone offensive weapon, and in turn he can do what he was brought in to do, which is create for others

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I meant to say "that doesn't require Paul doing so much work to score". Mike Smith said Doc is a great out of timeout / dead ball play caller, so at the least we know in those situations it would just be "iso Paul" and pray for the best.

I agree, with two talented guys, it will be hard for either guy to play a ton of minutes. Maybe we'll see a 26/22 split with Redick playing more, which is kinda what caused me to hold down his averages just because he won't be playing a ton of minutes based on who his backup is.

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PG - Chris Paul - 15ppg / 12apg / 2.7 steals

SG - JJ Reddick - 16ppg / 36% 3pts

SF - J. Dudley - 13ppg / 34% 3pts / 5rpg

PF - Blake Griffin - 21ppg / 9rpg - 71% FT

C - DeAndre Jordan - 12ppg / 9rbp / 2bpg / 52% FT

6th - Crawford - 11ppg / 32% 3pts

7th - Collison - 7ppg / 4apg

8th - Barnes - 9ppg / 5rpg

9th - Mullens - 8ppg / 41% 3pts / 4rpg

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Paul: 16/4/11

Redick: 15/1/3/40% 3PT

Dudley: 9/3/2/42%3PT

Griffin: 21/10

Jordan: 8/8

I think Jordan and Dudley get squeezed a little on Offense with all of the other options and are more pick their spots guys. Some games, Dudley will hit 18-20 and then another game will have 4 or 5. Jordan will be similar with some games 4 or 5 and a some 15 or so. Rebounds might be down a little if offensive shooting % are up.

An interesting situation will be what the closing line up will be (often seen a more valuable than starting lineup). I am thinking that closing lineups against most team will be 3 guards (Paul, JJ, Crawford) with Barnes and Griffin. The FT shooting on that team will be pretty unreal (Paul 86%+, Crawford 86%+, JJ 90%)

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Paul: 16/4/10 in ~ 34 mpg

Redick: 14/2/4 ~ 25 mpg (40% 3pt)

Dudley: 12/4/2 ~ 28-30 mpg (40% 3pt)

Griffin: 23.5/10.5/4.0 ~ 36 mpg

Jordan: 9.5/8.5 with 2 blocks and 50-55% ft ~ 28-30 mpg

I believe that both our wing guys will have really successful seasons. With Blake being a commanding force in the post (or atleast one that is enough of a threat to double team), and Paul's ability to suck the defense in, draw defenders off of the wings, I'm sure that both of our guys - Dudley and Redick - will have a very easy time posting 12+ ppg on 40% or higher shooting, atleast.

Assuming Doc can give us a vastly more motivated Deandre, he should have absolutely no difficulty pulling down 8-9 boards along with swatting atleast 2 shots in 30 minutes of game time.

Just like the rest of us, I'm inclined to agree that Blake will have a breakout season, but I'm hesitant depending on how Doc uses him, as Blake at the elbow isn't effective as Blake in the low post.

All in all I think that this years starters, offensively, will be even better than last years - a group of five whom had a better offensive efficiency than the Miami Heat. Defensively, I'm positive that we will see some, if not a large amount, of improvement in both Blake and Jordan, which will provide a solid backline for our average on-ball defenders in the front-court (which are still an upgrade from Green and Butler).

We might as well go 62-20

Agent0
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I think you have the most interesting predictions because of your 3PT% predictions.

Redick - 36%, career avg: 39%, career high: 41.8%

Dudley - 34%, career avg: 40.5%, career high: 45.8%

Crawford - 32%, career avg: 35%, career high: 38.2%

Mullens - 41%, career avg: 30.1%, career high: 31.8%

Redick/Crawford would drop 3% from their career avg, Dudley 6.5%, but Mullens goes up 11%! No offense, but I REALLY hope your shooting predictions (except for the Mullens one) don't come true cause that will make the teams offense not so impressive anymore.

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what I'm hoping for is a dramatic reduction in the scoring responsibilities for chris paul.

CP3 12-4-12 2.4 steals on 51% shooting

Reddick 16-5-4 42%3pt

Dudley 15-6-3 44%3pt

Griffin 25-11.5-4.5 75%ft

DJ 12-10.5-1 3Blks 65%ft

It would be crazy if this happened since that would mean we're scoring 80 pts with our starting unit and we have a deep talented bench. Most likely all of those numbers will come down but it would be pretty cool to see

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its a tough call on minutes zero. Sometimes when you have two players as talented as this at the same position the minutes turn out comparable. Last year we had a strange turn of events where our backup small forward was arguably just as good as our starting small forward. The result was Barnes earning some heavy minutes, and at the end of the year the "second string" moniker was simply that as both Butler and Barnes almost split the minutes equally. I can sort of see the same thing happening between Crawford and Redick. My guess is that Redick might have just a tad more minutes than Crawford, but in the end it won't be by much. I give Redick more projected minutes due to his slightly better 3pt %, which to me is a little bit more of a value than Crawfords crossover and fancy foorwork to the paint.

As for the hero ball I do hope you're right that Doc manges to curb it. Paul did that in game 2 against Memphis in the playoffs and I wasn't liking it one bit. No one else could drain shots and they were becoming spectators like many Lakers players do when Kobe is playing hero ball. Hero ball just reveals that there are many problems with players, the system, and coach if the entire effort is ran through one guy. That being said I would hope that essentially Pauls offensive output decreases and his assists increase. To me the offensive burden should now be shared among Redick, Dudley, and Griffin. Last year its almost as if things were blatantly exposed at the wrong time. The offseason moves (at least with our starting 5) were brilliantly designed to inject this roster with athleticism and shooting, both were things we revealed we were lacking. That being said I feel that Paul doesn't have to resort to being the lone offensive weapon, and in turn he can do what he was brought in to do, which is create for others

Agent0
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12 pts is probably too drastic, and if teams know he isn't being aggressive as a scorer, it takes away from his ability to create. The fact that teams know he can drop 20 on them whenever he wants is what opens up his passing game. He would have to become passive in scoring and over pass to only score 12 pts, and it might mean other guys will have to do things out of their comfort zone which won't help the team.

Rondo averages 12 pts/36, but remember he's far less efficient than Paul, so even if Paul shoots the same amount as Rondo for example. he would still be scoring about 14 PPG, lol.

I think on the low end, 15 PPG could happen. Stockton averaged ~16 pts/36 in his prime. Even Nash averaged 15.5 PPG, 16.3 pts/36 his first year in Phoenix, and that was alongside:

Amare: 26 PPG

Marion: 19.4 PPG

Johnson: 17.1 PPG

About 15-16 pts seems to be the sweet spot for PG's who can score but want to facilitate. The guys that are lower are usually the ones who are passing more because they are much less capable of scoring.

Voyeur
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Check out the shot charts for our players. It's pretty interesting:

http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/clippe ... t-analysis

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Thanks for the shot charts voyeur:)

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Not convinced both reddick and dudley will start. They will spread the floor nicely for Griffin.

Voyeur
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Based on the shot charts of both Paul and Redick, I can't wait to see those guys in the backcourt together!

Agent0
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Paul shot 62% from left long mid-range, LOL. Some other guys didn't shoot that well at the rim

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I think the possibilities are endless. I do like the prospect of CP3 and Redick on the floor at the same time. I might even be interested to see Jamal be used to dish out to open shooters. Jamals advantage is that his footwork and crossover make him hard to guard. I would love to see some lineups of our shooters out there and have fake plays for Jamal. Based on our past defenders would think Jamal is simply going to go from the wing to the lane for a layup or tear drop, and when the defense collapses in to clog the paint this should leave the wing open for an easy 3 by Dudley, Redick, or other shooters. Miami did this a lot with Lebron- the one man in, four man out. I think a few plays like this a game would be great to mix things up and keep the other teams defense guessing. I don't advocate it all the time, but certainly 1-3 times a game would be a nice addition

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I think our Clippers will win the NBA finals, I think CP3 will be in the top 3 for MVP losing a close race to KD, Blake will lead the team in scoring again but just be shy of averaging a double double, DJ will be in the running for Defensive player of the year ending up 3rd losing out to Howard, Hibbert or Noah, and I also think Doc will play with the idea of starting Barnes and Jamal over their counter parts and one of the two will eventually be part of the starting unit (I'm guessing Jamal, since we need Barnes defense on the second unit, with JJ getting more minutes). Think the team will be ranked 5 defensively (I'd feel more sure about this if we signed Amundson or Shavlik), and top 3 offensively.

Really liked 0's predictions, thought they were very possible. Here are mine with a few extra notes on the side.

Paul- 15ppg, 3.8rpg, 11apg, 2.7spg, 50% FG, 37% 3pt -Doc's system will also help CP3, if he knows which way you are directing traffic he will be able to pick pockets left and right.

Redick- 14ppg, 2.5rpg, 3.5apg, 48% FG, 41% 3PT -will flourish with CP3 (what a prediction I know), he will set career highs in two categories just don't know which so I left it him with this.

Dudley- 9ppg, 3.8rpg, 2apg, 45% FG, 39% 3PT -think Barnes will start come playoff time, but think he can really open up the floor, also think he will be the one that gets in somebody's grill for messing with Blake.

Griffin- 21ppg, 9.7rpg, 4apg, 60% FG, 72% FT -playing from the elbow will really open up the floor for him, and I can really see him causing havoc facing players up, think his dribbling abilities are too good for most PF's to handle (better handles than LO at his spot, which is saying something). I also think Blake will shut peoples soft talk up with numbers putting the league on notice that it is his.

Jordan- 11ppg, 12rpg, 3.1blks, 60% FG, 55% FT -blocks might be optimistic, but think Doc's system will allow DJ to flourish as a defender and concentrate on rebounds when needed, also think Doc knows that if you feed this guy the ball a few times he plays harder as well as can take advantage of mismatches when available.

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All I know is Redick should be Willie Green times 2, with a slight dash of Chauncey. He'll have the shooting ability of Willie, but more aggressive running off screens and pulling the trigger. While he's no point guard, he has an excellent assist to turnover ratio (where the dash of Chauncey comes in). Should also be a little better defensively staying with his man than those guys also.

Blake working the elbow is definitely a question mark for me. I kinda love the idea, yet I wonder if it'll take some time for Blake to get used to that being his primary spot.

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With Blake's athleticism and improved jump shot, he can have guys falling over themselves with a little jab step. Since he already has good court vision, it will be hard to sag off anyone else to help with all the sharp shooters out on the floor. I prefer for him to work at a distance due to his short arms. His superior athleticism and size can be a problem for any defender to stay in front of him and if his jump shot has improved on last years then they will have problems. I think this will be an breakout year for Blake offensively.

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^ I hope so. It's time to really shut the critics up!

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48% from the 3 point line o.o. I think your expectations are crazy high. Even 45% is very hard to do.

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If Cp3 only averages 12 ppg it would be extremely detrimental to the team. He is way too efficient of a scorer to not average at least 16 ppg. He isn't Rondo.

Anyway my predictions are:

CP3: 17-19ppg/10-11apg/4rpg/2.5spg on 49/37/87

Redick: 15 ppg/3 apg/2.5rpg on 44/42/90

Dudley: 13 ppg/4 rpg/1.5 apg on 47/43/75

Griffin: 20-22 ppg/10-10.5 rpg/3.5 apg on 54/70 FT%

DJ: 12 ppg/9 rpg/2 bpg on 60/55 FT%

Voyeur
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While it's important for Paul to score more than 12 points, I can also see him scoring less than 17...IF everyone else is firing on all cylinders. If Blake is scoring in the 20's. If JJ and Jamal are both scoring 14-20 points, and so on.

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^Well just last season he averaged 16.9 lol so of course I can see that. I am probably being a tad optimistic with my projections. Also it depends on how many minutes he plays. If he plays 36 mpg vs 33 mpg like last season.

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Chris Paul

JJ Redick

Matt Barnes

Blake Griffin

DeAndre Jordan

Second unit:

Darren Collison

Jamal Crawford

Jared Dudley

Byron Mullens

Ryan Hollins

Third unit:

Maalik Wayns

Willie Green

Reggie Bullock

Antwan Jamison

Byron Mullens/Ryan Hollins

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I suspect he will play 33 minutes this year as well. Collison gives us that luxury to let CP3 ride the pine.

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CP3

Crawford

Dudley

Griffin

DJ

Jamal Crawford needs to start.

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Don't see why they wouldn't start. The looks they will give up Blake will be unprecedented. Crawford and Barnes should definitely come off the bench. The rotation should be:

Starters:

CP3

Redick

Dudley

Griffin

DJ

Bench:

Collison

Crawford

Barnes

Jamison

Mullens

At least Blake or CP should be in at all times. DJ should get at least 30mpg and run with that 2nd unit at times as well.

Agent0
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Yup, same thing I also said, the ability to score opens up the rest of your game, and because Paul scores so efficiently up to 22-23 PPG, you don't want to get only 12 PPG of .590 TS% scoring, it's a waste.

Rondo had a .516 TS% this past season, the previous two seasons he was under .500 TS%, outside of not being extremely predictable, the less he scores / the less shots he takes, the better lol

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If Doc can maximize the roster with Paul playing 33 MPG, then go for it tbh. Collison can handle 15 MPG at PG without any of the flaws that make him not so suitable as a starting PG surfacing.

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DeAndre Jordan: 9 ppg, 11 rpg, 3 blocks, 60%fg, 51%ft. Hopefully the improvement comes from the defensive end. 51% free throw shooting is very wishful thinking.

Blake Griffin: 24 points, 14 rebounds, 2 blocks, 1.5 steals, 56fg%, 78ft%... A 5 game suspension for finally losing it by body slamming Kent Bazemore.

Jared Dudley: 12 points, 6 rebounds, 37% 3 pointers

JJ Redick: 17 points, 43% 3 points. This guy is going to look like Danny Green. Blake and CP will find him every time. He'll have a few 30 point nights off of ridiculous shooting.

CP3: 15 Points, 13 assists, 4 rebounds, 3 steals.

Clippers lead the WC standings with 63 wins.

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CP3 - 19/12, 3reb, 2.5stl League MVP

Redick - 15/4 3reb, 1stl 40%3pt

Dudley - 12/4 3ast, 1.5stl 40%3pt

Blake - 23/10 4ast, 1.5stl 60%fg

DJ - 10/11 1Ast, 1stl, 2.5blk 60%ft

25ppg from the bench

Team - top 3-5 offense, top 5-7 defense, 2nd in West, W/C finals at least. If we win the West, we win it all.

Also think there's a fair chance that Jamal could be gone around all-star break for an MLE-level big. Depends on how Bullock pans out, but we also still have a serviceable backup in Willie Green.

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It could be a possibility, and this is something I have said a couple of times once we started getting word of his ambiguous tweets. Also, if Bullock does develop quickly, then Jamal may be the odd man out, and for a quality big I would say its worth it

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I know we're all excited for the new additions to the team but there's no way JJ is better than Crawford.

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