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Post Subject: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405191by clipsclaps » Sep 07, 2013 - 06:41 AM PST
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After his playing days ended, Hakeem Olajuwon decided he'd be a mentor. He's worked with and trained (if you will) countless NBA players over the past few years, but recently suggested he'd like to add two more to his resume Kevin Durant of the Oklahoma City Thunder and Blake Griffin of the Los Angeles Clippers.

Question: Name a player that you haven't worked with that you'd like to work with? Answer: I don't know if I would like to, but a player that needs Blake Griffin. You look at Blake, he's very explosive. But he needs the move that gets him to the position to finish. That's why you see in the playoffs, baskets become limited.

Olajuwon also brings up Kevin Durant of the Oklahoma City Thunder as somebody who needs his help, namely because his post game lacks so far behind the rest of his talents.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405195by CP3Heliflopter » Sep 07, 2013 - 11:08 AM PST
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I really wish Blake Griffin would work out with him too.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405196by CapsNClips » Sep 07, 2013 - 11:11 AM PST
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I hope KD goes with BG next year to work on their games together so KD can give Blake a few pointers on his jump shot, and Blake can give KD a few pointers on how to sign with the Clippers.

But seriously it's not like just because he's not working on his post game with Hakeem that he's not practicing it at all. Last year he improved without having Hakeem. Hopefully he's been working with some current NBA players, even Jamison can teach so much because he's still got on of the better post games in the NBA right now.

What are the chances Doc Rivers could get Blake a 1 on 1 lesson with McHale?

                
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Post ID: 405198by CP3Heliflopter » Sep 07, 2013 - 11:15 AM PST
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I don't think the coach of a rival team would help Blake. Seems kind of counter-intuitive. Why make a rival team better? Razz

The reason why I want Blake to train with Hakeem is because he is one of the few players that can actually benefit a lot from him. Someone like Dwight who has crap footwork, can't pass from the post and is completely mechanical won't benefit a lot from Hakeem. Someone like Blake however who has very good footwork, is a great passer from the post and moves with a lot more "grace" would benefit a lot more since he can actually replicate Hakeem's moves.

If he learned some post moves from Hakeem and improved his jump shot he would be unstoppable offensively.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405199by CapsNClips » Sep 07, 2013 - 11:35 AM PST
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You're right, Blake would be the perfect person to visit Hakeem because he has so many tools and Hakeem would help him put it all together. It doesn't hurt either that Blake is a student of the game and would take everything he said to heart unlike Dwight who's probably just there to work on stuff he thinks he needs to work on.

I can't wait for the day when Blake learns the Dream Shake or should I say the Blake Shake.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405200by LeftHook » Sep 07, 2013 - 12:39 PM PST
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It's too late for Blake to work with Hakeem right? It's too far into offseason, and Hakeem is now signed by the Rockets?

                
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Post ID: 405201by MartyKahn » Sep 07, 2013 - 12:49 PM PST
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The time is coming where we have to question Blakes desire to be a dominant player. Maybe he's content being what he is. He bangs hot girls, make millions, maybe he just doesn't care as much as we think he does. If a Hall of Famer says this, you need to drop what you're doing and call him. Period.

I sw pics of him and DJ at a costume party, on top of trios to Europe and playing a flag football gm. Surely at some point he could've went to Hou.

                
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Post ID: 405202by CapsNClips » Sep 07, 2013 - 01:16 PM PST
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Blake works harder than anybody on our team.

LeBron didn't visit Hakeem until his 8th season in the league, Kobe didn't until his 14th season. Blake's going on his 4th year in the league. He'll go there eventually just give him time and please don't question Blake's desire.

Who knows, maybe its not too late to visit Hakeem this summer, or maybe he can visit him 2 out of the 4 times we play the Rockets.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405203by ArtMaggot » Sep 07, 2013 - 01:35 PM PST
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Hakeem is just drumming up business.

                
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Post ID: 405204by jarca » Sep 07, 2013 - 02:11 PM PST
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Agree. Blake should only practice his weaknesses when he's clearly in the downside of his career. At the moment lets just be happy that Blake can still make the ESPN highlight top 10

                
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Post ID: 405205by MartyKahn » Sep 07, 2013 - 02:33 PM PST
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LOL. I sense the sarcasm.

I wonder if CP3 wants Blake ti wait 8yrs before he works to better himself.

                
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Post ID: 405206by cleepers » Sep 07, 2013 - 02:48 PM PST
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Agree. Because none of the other 7 billion people on the planet can give Blake any advice whatsoever to help him improve his game in any way at all. Only Hakeem.

And 2nd team All-NBA for the last 2 seasons (along with your boy Parker) is nothing more than ESPN highlights. Where's the substance, Tony?

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Post ID: 405207by CapsNClips » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:01 PM PST
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Yep LeBron was on the downside of his career when he went to Hakeem. Weird how he won 2 straight championships on his downward spiral into mediocrity. Must've been a fluke or something because everyone knows after your 3rd year in the league it's all downhill after that.

Lol, if he was to go to Hakeem last year haters would've said "why would he work on his post game when he clearly needs to work on his all around shooting, I don't know if I can trust his desire"

Clearly if Doc tgought it would be in the best interest of the team for Blake to visit Hakeem he would've made him go, Doc and Gentry actually know how to run plays and don't need to rely on Iso post ups. Defense is our backbone and Blake is need of more Defensive skills than more Offensive skills this year.

Actually forget everything I said, I only want highlights for Blake. Nothing else.

                
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Post ID: 405208by jarca » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:02 PM PST
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Stop being negative. I'm content with Blake's game and thinks he's the best power forward in the league. How dare Hakeem to try to encourage Blake to improve his game. Blake is the best and Hakeem is just jealous because Blake won the slam dunk contest and can make funny Kia commercials. I like you am tired of these has been criticizing Blake when it's clear as daylight that Blake is flawless.

Blake for 2014 MVP

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405209by cleepers » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:06 PM PST
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^ Yeah, that's so nice of Hakeem to "encourage" Blake like that. It's not like he'd make 100k a week for working with him or anything.

                
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Post ID: 405210by jarca » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:12 PM PST
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I'm flipping hate these has been trying to stay relevant by criticizing Blake. Blake is Lebron 2.0. He's on his way to win not 1 not 2 not 3...... Dynasty Baby!

                
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Post ID: 405211by jarca » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:15 PM PST
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Agree 100%. Doc and Gentry are great coaches and with the right X and O's Blake will be Kg dominant on the defensive end and be smooth like Duncan in the offensive end. Out wonderful coaching staff got this. I have faith in them 110%.

                
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Post ID: 405212by cleepers » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:22 PM PST
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So you disagree with the majority of analysts who think CP3 is the best PG in the game, think our all-NBA PF is just highlights and commercials, lack faith in our coaching staff to develop players, think our FO is diabolically awful and hate the owner with a passion.

Hats off to you. Going against all those instincts to still cheer on the team must make you some kind of superfan... well that, or an idiot.

                
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Post ID: 405213by jarca » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:28 PM PST
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WTF are you talking about. I agree with everything you guys said. why be so hostile? Lets do a recap A) I said Blake's game is flawless B) I agree that Hakeem is just a delusional has been. C) I completely trust the coaching staff. D) We're gonna win a championship even if Blake doesn't improve.

Please stop twisting my words like a tornado. I love the Clippers!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405214by cleepers » Sep 07, 2013 - 03:31 PM PST
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^ Yeah, sorry. "Hats off to you" is so hostile. I guess I'm just cranky today. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_19

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405217by MartyKahn » Sep 07, 2013 - 04:11 PM PST
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Why bring Lebron into this? He was a top 3 player before Dream and as far as I know has never had knee surgery. Blake has had his knees opened in college and the pros. Don't think he should be thinking too far into the future.

                
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Post ID: 405219by CapsNClips » Sep 07, 2013 - 04:32 PM PST
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Lol, I like how you were trying to be sarcastic by saying Doc can turn Blake into a defensive stud like KG. you realize how ironic that is because KG was not known as a defensive juggernaut before going to Boston and teaming up with Doc. KG won defensive player of the year his first year there.

Doc CAN turn a player into a defensive juggernaut, that's not out of the question at all. If you think that's ludicrous then you probably think Tony Parker would be just as good without Pop...oh wait you do. Nevermind

                
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Post ID: 405220by jarca » Sep 07, 2013 - 04:34 PM PST
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You just repeated what I said. A simple response like I agree would have suffice

                
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Post ID: 405221by ClipperB23 » Sep 07, 2013 - 04:37 PM PST
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Well said CnC. I have a lot of faith in Doc and I truly believe he'll bring the best out of BG along with DJ.

                
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Post ID: 405224by Clipswhit » Sep 07, 2013 - 06:28 PM PST
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He said implying that Blake hasn't worked to better himself since he entered the NBA.

                
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Post ID: 405225by cleepers » Sep 07, 2013 - 06:59 PM PST
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^ Of course he hasn't because he's done a few commercials and everyone knows you can't shoot a commercial in a day, it takes an entire offseason.

Just ask Jordan, Magic, LeBron, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Erving, Kobe, Duncan and all those other scrubs who could have actually been good if they hadn't been in commercials.

There was this guy called Hakeem Olaju-something who looked really promising, but he screwed up his career bigtime doing commercials.

                
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Post ID: 405227by Agent0 » Sep 07, 2013 - 08:23 PM PST
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This isn't true though. He didn't win DPOY in Minny, but he was known as an extremely high impact defensive player. Duncan for example has always been known as a great defender but has never won DPOY. KG was a constant All-NBA first team defender, and both his numbers and on court play showed elite defender before he came to Boston.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405228by ekker3 » Sep 07, 2013 - 08:30 PM PST
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hakeem needs to get off his high horse.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405229by clipperstown » Sep 07, 2013 - 09:25 PM PST
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Blake's still trying to figure himself out. He's going into his 4th season, he's still trying to realize his own potential. IF he ever think that his potential cannot be reached by himself, then he will visit Hakeem.

                
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Post ID: 405234by CP3Heliflopter » Sep 07, 2013 - 09:59 PM PST
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Well to be honest KG has always been a dominant defensive player. His teams in Minnesota were pretty awful and without him they would be turd defensively. KG has much better physical tools than Blake as well who has a very poor wingspan.

BG can improve under Doc but there is a limit to how good defensively he can be. He can become a good defender but not a defensive anchor like KG. Fortunately BG can be a better offensive player than KG if he puts in the effort.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405255by Clippersfan03 » Sep 08, 2013 - 07:22 PM PST
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Good that Hakeem has reached out to him. Wonder if he will accept?

                
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Post ID: 405264by clipperboy24 » Sep 08, 2013 - 11:30 PM PST
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You don't even sound like a clipper fan right now.

I agree no doubt Blake has a lot of his game that needs work. But who has Hakeem really helped out that much? Lebron? I don't think he has anymore of a post game than before, Amare doesn't look any better.

I don't think Hakeem is as great as he gives himself credit and he does get over $100k a week and yes that is worthwhile money for a retired player.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405265by clippersforlife33 » Sep 08, 2013 - 11:55 PM PST
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i don't care if he works out with hakeem or not, I'm just curious to know why blake hasn't accepted his offer though.. i highly doubt it has anything to do with money

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405266by Ricky » Sep 09, 2013 - 04:32 AM PST
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Blake can't work with Hakeem now because Hakeem is employed by the Rockets.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405267by pageC4 » Sep 09, 2013 - 11:11 AM PST
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Why is Hakeem so insistent on training these young players? Is he just trying to get more clients so he can get paid?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405272by Agent0 » Sep 09, 2013 - 12:45 PM PST
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Hakeem likes to see guys succeed, he wants to pass on what he knows to others. I think it is a great attribute of his. It is in contrast to some other older guys who are always critical but never lending a helping hand, or don't want guys to be as good or better than them.

Why is there always someone questioning whether Blake is a hard worker when these Hakeem things come up? Seriously? Players in the league consider him one of the hardest workers, so how in the world does someone go doubting his work ethic?

                
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When he accepted the offer there was a lockout, and last year he had olympics and was injured, so timing didn't work out.

Now of course even working with Hakeem, it's about what Blake does AFTER that, it isn't a magic pill that makes you great in the post, as long as people understand that.

Of course with Blake being such a hard worker, he's the kind of player that would benefit a lot from anything like this.

Amare actually improved in the post, he has generally been a face-up guy, but he's been too injured for it to be relevant or noticeable.

                
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Post ID: 405275by MartyKahn » Sep 09, 2013 - 01:51 PM PST
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Pretty sure Dream knows what's in his contract, and he appears to be saying he can still coach others. Maybe its like the Clippers shooting coach helping Jason Kidd last yr.

                
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Post ID: 405280by Agent0 » Sep 09, 2013 - 04:01 PM PST
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Aren't this and your other post basically the exact definition of a strawman argument? You're basically bashing down opinions no one said or implied: -Blake is the best PF in the league -Hakeem shouldn't encourage Blake to improve -Hakeem is jealous of Blake -Blake is flawless

Gotta love the logical fallacies though Wink

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405281by CP3Heliflopter » Sep 09, 2013 - 04:37 PM PST
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Believe it or not Hakeem is interested in helping players improve. The state of the game when it comes to big men in the post is downright pathetic right now compared to the past. Blake would be one of the few players that can benefit A LOT from Hakeem's teachings.

                
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Post ID: 405282by pageC4 » Sep 09, 2013 - 04:41 PM PST
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There are always trends in the NBA. Post play seems to be bad as compared to the past, but generally the NBA is just much more reliant on guard play. It seems as if its the mold of the new NBA, perimeter players

                
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Post ID: 405285by CP3Heliflopter » Sep 09, 2013 - 05:02 PM PST
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Amare and Lebron have actually benefited tremendously. Amare barely plays due to injury but I have seen him score a lot more points in the post. Lebron had pretty much no post game before. Now he has a fairly rudimentary but effective post game which allows him to have more ways to score and more importantly allows him to pass from post which is extremely effective due to the attention he draws and his tremendous passing ability.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405286by LeftHook » Sep 09, 2013 - 05:41 PM PST
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edit: I forgot it's September, not October... damn.

                
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Post ID: 405294by Agent0 » Sep 09, 2013 - 08:49 PM PST
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Hakeem essentially says this in the video. He comments that the 80's and earlier 90's while he was around are not actually representative of the NBA at large in terms of upper echelon big man talent.

He comments that the state of the NBA right now where there are just a handful of dominant big men is more the norm.

You are correct though, people are always complaining about lack or this type or that type of player, but we have to remember that there are cycles of talent at different positions and based on different play styles in the league.

                
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Post ID: 405296by pageC4 » Sep 09, 2013 - 08:53 PM PST
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Ha ha, Ricky I have to say that I've always been a fan of your avatar. You keep it classy holding that glass of wine.

                
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Post ID: 405372by clipperboy24 » Sep 11, 2013 - 01:04 AM PST
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He had a very similar post game he just moved away from it. He has backed down and posted smaller guards (basically every guard in the league) and sf since he came into the league. As for amare, neither of us can really use that since he doesn't play.

                
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Post ID: 405401by CP3Heliflopter » Sep 11, 2013 - 02:42 PM PST
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No Lebron rarely posted up in Cleveland. He was pretty much strictly a perimeter oriented player. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9109245/how-lebron-james-transform ed-game-become-highly-efficient-scoring-machine

                
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Post Subject: RE: Hakeem Olajuwon Says Blake Griffin Needs His Help. Post ID: 405518by namzug » Sep 14, 2013 - 10:23 AM PST
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Am I the only one that wouldn't be too comfortable with Blake working with an employee of another team, especially a team we can very likely see in the playoffs.

I believe the dream is actually the best center of all time, but would rather Blake have a Mailman type game then the Dreams. I think the team should look for someone to bring in for him and DJ. I would love to see a Charles Oakley to coach up our bigs, hell even a Rodman to just worry about. Defense and rebounding would be great.

The dream isn't the only great big man that had post moves, why don't we go snatch up Kareem for a year or two while the Flakers suck.

                
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Post ID: 405558by clipperboy24 » Sep 15, 2013 - 10:35 PM PST
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Looks like you are right. I thought I remembered him back people down and driving on the smaller guards more.

I am not opposed to griffin working with Hakeem at all I just don't know if it would do everything Hakeem says.

                
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