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Post ID: 405568by Agent0 » Sep 16, 2013 - 02:52 PM PST
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I think with Afflalo it was more because they wanted more defense in the starting lineup cause I'm not really sure we can call what his game translated to "slashing". I think both Afflalo and Carter made as many three's as Redick, and Carter is a better playmaker / passer (the role he now plays with Dallas).

Afflalo is as good as Redick but with better size, it was just the nature of being a 6'4 SG.

I terms of Carter, it's hard to agree with that. Don't you think it was just because Carter was the better player in just about everything basketball related? Carter could have been a better 6th man in terms of being a go to scorer off the bench, but the Magic had enough pieces where they didn't think they needed to go that route. J.J. wasn't used as much in a ball handling / playmaking role until this past season.

It happens, you have better players in front of you. Redick's main thing here is that he fits well and he makes reasonable money. It's not that he's some top 5 SG or something, but that's really okay.



                
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Post ID: 405575by dukenilnil » Sep 16, 2013 - 04:37 PM PST
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By the end of Carter's season, the general consensus among a lot of Magic fans was that JJ was better. Again, Redick was SvG's clear choice to close out games in the 4th quarter that year. Carter was brought in to be an individual creater/slasher, something missing from the Dwight Magic teams. The Magic were just a few years too late to get that Carter but he was the best they could afford.

Redick was a better and more efficient scorer than carter that year as well, just with significantly lower usage. Carter was given every chance to justify the trade, he couldn't, thus he was moved 1 year later.

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Post ID: 405576by dukenilnil » Sep 16, 2013 - 04:42 PM PST
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Similarly, Redick's numbers (during Magic days) vs. Afflalo are better on a per 36 and advanced stat basis. But, Afflalo has great cache, was viewed as having a higher ceiling (better individual creator) and was the "get" from the Dwight trade so the pressure to keep him was high. Plus, he is still under contract and was thus harder to move than an expiring Redick

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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick and Ray Allen Comparison Post ID: 405706by Agent0 » Sep 19, 2013 - 01:11 PM PST
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Interesting thoughts, I get where you are coming from. Redick was more efficient, but better might be a bit inaccurate. I'm assuming you mean Carter's second year because his first season there, he was certainly ending games. I can't really say I watched enough, paid attention or remember who was ending games for the 20 or so games Carter was there in his second season. I thought the trade was very pre-mature.

Of course we have to take into account that Redick has never had as high usage as Carter partially because he just can't create as many opportunities for himself as Carter without forcing up bad shots due to some physical limitations.

Carter was the teams leading per minute scorer putting up 18/5/4 on .557 TS% and had a 111 Ortg and 16.2 PEE. Redick's efficiency at .589 TS% and 117 Ortg was great and hopefully he does that here, but 14/3/2 per 36 was a decent difference from Carter.. They weren't playing the same role, Carter was doing more shot creating and facilitating and Redick couldn't replicate Carter's role and be as effective. Part of what was affecting the perception of Carter was the amount of money he was making and the expected production more so than him not being good enough.

Carter was overall more productive though, but the actual reality is that J-Rich was actually the one starting over him, and again, it does come back to size. Redick shot better and was more efficient, but per 36 it was J-Rich: 14.4 / 4.1 / 2.1 and Redick: 14.1 / 2.7 / 2.4. Both low turnover, basically the same eFG%, but Redidk was a far superior FT shooter, so that was the edge in TS%.

The Magic were a mess though, Otis was horrible. When your team is good, you have to stick with it for at least some time, you can't just keep shuffling the main pieces of roster every time there's some struggle or because you didn't win that year. One of the league's worst GM's.


Afflalo is a different case, for some reason I was thinking they had him with Dwight even though he came as part of that trade. I actually think he was just starting because Redick was actually BETTER at creating and ball handling, and he fit better leading the bench on offense than Afflalo did.

Afflalo has never really impressed with his individual scoring ability or ability to handle the ball and/or create shots.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick and Ray Allen Comparison Post ID: 405715by Voyeur » Sep 19, 2013 - 06:00 PM PST
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So...JJ gets to wear his old college number for the first time since he's joined the league...

...AND we're bringing out the blue jerseys?

Hmmm

                
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