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Post Subject: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405663by cleepers » Sep 18, 2013 - 02:01 PM PST
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"Three teams last year finished in the top-10 in offensive and defensive efficiency. The title-winning Miami Heat was one of those teams. The runner-up San Antonio Spurs was another. The third team? The Los Angeles Clippers..."

Full article: http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/clippers/post/_/id/4902/expect-cli ppers-to-define-their-identity

Some good points, mostly about how fast we should play. My biggest concern is the sentence "Doc Rivers and his staff fathered a defensive scheme in Boston that changed the NBA, and conscious decisions like completely abandoning the offensive glass for transition defensive purposes separated his teams from the pack."

I hope Doc adjusts this philosophy to suit our jumping-jack bigs, because DJ is happy when he's slamming home the occasional putback to wows at Staples... and we all know that a happier DJ is a more defensively productive DJ.



                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405667by jarca » Sep 18, 2013 - 03:09 PM PST
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Excellent. The defensive scheme should determine whether DJ can be effectively be our defensive anchor

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405671by cleepers » Sep 18, 2013 - 04:23 PM PST
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^ Glad you agree with me.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405676by uncool » Sep 18, 2013 - 05:53 PM PST
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That scheme will work and it won't affect DJ because its more about perimeter players getting back right away & not waiting to see where the rebound goes. If DJ has a good shot at a rebound he's not gonna get in trouble for grabbing it but the people on the perimeter, who can't get many Orebs anyway, will be there to stop transition. If you look at metrics, offensive rebounds lead to less wins than almost any other major stat, transition D is a bigger priority.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405680by cleepers » Sep 18, 2013 - 06:37 PM PST
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^ Seems to me like rebounds on both ends are going to be key all season long. The more we slow down to a half-court game, the more extra possessions will matter. The slow, grinding series against the Grizz went the way the rebounding battle went.

But I do agree with you that generally, it shouldn't affect DJ. He's much more capable of nosing around for an Orb and still beating his man back down the floor than KG was.

                
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Post ID: 405683by jarca » Sep 18, 2013 - 07:18 PM PST
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What's great about doc's system is that they don't do that run and gun sh1t. It was fun to watch but hated it when opposing team killed the clippers in the glass cause DJ and Blake tried to leak out.

                
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Post ID: 405700by toohipcliptoslip » Sep 19, 2013 - 03:24 AM PST
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DJ also ought to realize if he's smart enough that Doc's got enough clout with Diamond Donald to get him traded. If Doc had asked for the trade instead of VDN last yr it probably would have happened. If he plays poorly or with attitude he's gone. Toward mid season somebody may want him. Also he has only next yr left in his contract. He'll have an expiring contract and it will be a contract year. He'll go from an "elite" center to a $5 mill back up unless he shapes up.

If Hollins can be taught not to be a foul machine DJ'S in trouble and it's easier to teach the willing than the arrogant. Hollins is hungry

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405702by illastrate » Sep 19, 2013 - 11:34 AM PST
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I really hope Hollins isn't ahead of Mullens on the depth chart. Mullens is just a better player and it would be a shame to see Hollins take his mins.

                
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Post ID: 405703by tense2 » Sep 19, 2013 - 11:35 AM PST
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Hollins has been hungry for a long time and it still hasn't "taught" him to eat right. Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 405704by Agent0 » Sep 19, 2013 - 12:48 PM PST
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They each have things they are good/better than the other at, but I don't think Hollins makes it ahead of him, but camp will determine that.

I don't think Hollins will become less of a foul machine, but I'm not going to say it is impossibl either. Some players just don't know how to do it, his whole game and way of playing is a foul prone method.

In terms of offensive resounding, I'm fine with sending all but on person back, so leaving a guy like DJ there, and when he's playing C, leaving Blake back there while everyone else runs back.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405708by namzug » Sep 19, 2013 - 01:42 PM PST
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I think that rebounding method will work great with our squad. If they get a good bounce that is an easy put back for either of those guys. They are both athletic enough to catch up as well, I don't see too many frontcourt duos really outrunning ours (with a possible exception of Javale and Faried, but it would be close).

I have high hopes for Hollins, but am definitely skeptical.

                
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Post ID: 405711by toohipcliptoslip » Sep 19, 2013 - 03:17 PM PST
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Not bad

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405734by Icecoldclipper » Sep 20, 2013 - 02:27 PM PST
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The defense will be about the perimeter not giving up very easy 3pt shots and better rotation schemes. We defended the paint last season.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405738by Agent0 » Sep 20, 2013 - 03:21 PM PST
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It's the fact that poor pick and roll defense (always hedging) leads to bad rotations, easier penetration which both lead to one three point shots because players can't recover quickly enough, especially guys like Caron Butler who isn't some speedy Eric Bledose guy who cow cover so much ground.

Clippers played a trapping defense, it meant a lot of recovering. So when Blake hedges out onto the ball handler, the ball handler's general main option is to pass to the screener who is rolling or popping and when you have to help in the screener, he gets open options because the second help is now the player hedging.

New York has an interesting defensive strategy for this where on a hedge they send I believe the ball handler's defender straight to the corner so when the corner man is helping on the rolling/popping screener, his man isn't left open.

Scenario: Opposing PF sets screen, Blake hedges. Screener rolls to the middle, ball handler gets him the ball, DJ rotates to help, screener reads it and passes to the man DJ was guarding, DJ's man gets a layup. Let's say instead of DJ's man being open, Butler comes from the corner and helps, screener passes to corner shooter, open / slightly contested shot, usually going in.

If Butler comes off the corner to help, screener passes to corner shooter but Green covers Butler and gets there, corner shooter makes one more pass to Green's man, Paul tries to help, but he's too late, again, basically an open shot, but you see how many help situations you now have. To have good 3PT defense with this system, help needs help and again needs help, and you also set up mismatches,

It's the whole team, it's also a system issue. Scrambling defense requires very quick recoveries, great communication and a whole lot of trust that people have your back. It's weakness is quick ball movement and giving up three's..

I YouTube Clippers defense and this was actually the perfect video of what I'm getting at

Link

It's hard to imagine this being as much of an issue with Doc though: Link

                
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Post Subject: Re: Expect Clippers to Define Identity - DJ Foster/ESPN Post ID: 405761by clipperboy24 » Sep 22, 2013 - 01:42 PM PST
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Good article, thanks for posting.

I don't think dj has ever been productive defensively or offensively.

                
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