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tense2
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1 established superstar and 1 budding superstar.

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as much as i want to say blake's a superstar, IMO he just isn't. he's a damn good player, but in this offense, until he can consistently create his own shot (and hit that jumper), he's just filling the role of a bruiser. he's filling a role in this offense.

that's not a diss by any means. he's essential to our squad's success.

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I grudgingly agree with Ekker. In terms of off court stuff -- fame, endorsements, popularity -- Blake probably deserves the label of superstar. But as far as on court play goes, he's not there yet. All star? Yes. Superstar? Not quite. But I think he can get there. All its going to take is him getting his midrange jumper more consistent and to stop worrying about the refs so much.

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How is Blake not a superstar? He's the best player at his position (depending on if Duncan is a PF), he was the best scorer on a 56 win team last year and Pacific Division champs, he's extremely unselfish and a great passer.

His only knocks on his game are his FT's which are drastically improving, his temper, and he needs more stamina. Those issues are nothing when you are only 24 years old and have a roster tailored just for you.

He would be known as an Elite rebounder if he didn't have to maneuver past his own teammate who can't box out or draw his defender out of the paint.

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All depends on how you define superstar.

There are elite overall players whose game is "boring" and most people wouldn't even recognize on the street, elite scorers who won't or can't play defense but who everybody knows, elite athletes who wow crowds and pundits but have huge holes in their BBIQ.

Personally, I think for most people who are not basketball nerds like the posters on forums like this, the entertainment factor is just as important as the numbers or the fundamentals of the game and by that definition Blake Griffin is most certainly a superstar... in the same mold as Russell Westbrook. An elite athlete, a very, very good basketball player who is improving all the time, and most of all one the most fun to watch, entertaining guys in the league.

Basically, if your jersey sales are top-10 in your sport... you're a superstar.

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Blake's a borderline superstar. On the cusp. He has a chance though this year to become an unquestioned one.

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Blake's one of the few players in NBA history to total the number of points, rebounds and assists that he has his first 3 years and do so shooting more than 50%. He hustles unlike anyone of his stature and yet is Box Office. When he does "become" a superstar, he will be the most dominant one in the league.

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Blake might be a rising star, a potential star, a star or a super star. I am not that bothered, but he is more than a role player, come on now.

I agree he is not as complete as CP3 by any stretch of the imagination but a role player, no. Many teams would make him the player to build their franchise around, how is that a role player?

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superstars do multiple things on an ELITE level. blake dunks at an elite level,creates his shot down low at a great level, rebounds at a great level, shoots at a subpar level, defends at a subpar level. he's not elite but i have no doubt he'll get there soon. right now, most of his all-star value is based on name value alone. dude is marketable as hell.

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again, the term "role player" unjustly has a negative connotation. chris bosh is a role player, yet is an all-star. same goes for gasol, garnett, and chandler. they're all extremely good players that make their teams better by fulfilling a certain role, yet the offense doesn't necessarily go through them.

there's only a handful of elite/superstar players in this league. lebron, kobe, CP, durant, howard, melo, harden, irving.

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A superstar is considered a franchise player! A franchise player is an extremely dominant player, so dominant that the whole opposing team has to work to stop them, but they never really can. Does Blake fit in that category, not yet, will he, yes.

A real superstar is a player so dominant, he can carry his team deep into the playoffs with mediocre players, and if you surround him with half way decent players he's going to win a championship.

Rare superstars who are so good they can carry a mediocre team to the finals. Only Lebron, Magic 1990-1991, and Larry Bird I think have done this. Hakeem is the only player to win without another all-star!

Not Jordan or Kobe but will call them superstar because of their impact, but they need a lot more support to win a championship than a Lebron, Bird, or Magic or Hakeem.

Another test, drop this player on a losing team, and they go from 20 wins to 50, think Chris Paul hornets.

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I'm maybe the biggest Blake apologist here but I don't think a superstar is a franchise player. I think there are far more franchise players than true superstars (maybe only 5-10 of those at any given time). Blake is a 10-15 ranked player, not quite that top 5-10 ranked superstar. So as I said he's on the cusp IMO.

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I would agree with the first four, but Melo, Harden, Howard, and Irving?

Correct me if I'm wrong but according to your definition of elite, they pretty much do everything at an elite level. Aren't Melo and Irving just known as elite scorers? I haven't heard much about Melo known for his defensive skills. Same goes for Irving but I'd give him a pass cause he's still improving. Howard may become an elite defender again but that's assuming his shoulder is back to 100% He certainly doesn't shoot freethrows at an elite level. Out of the last four, I'd say Harden is the closest to joining that group.

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Superstardom is a combination of skill and fame. If your wife/mother/sister is not a sports fan and they know the player's name, then he's a superstar. Today's superstars: LeBron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Durant, Carmelo

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I named my dear departed dog Mr Barkley, He made a huge amount of noise but anything that escaped form his mouth made no sense

EXCEPT Barkley said what you did. Unless BG can be a guy like Malone, Kobe etc who can score any time he wants to he'll never be a superstar in the eyes of the BBall Sagacious

As far as what a Superstar is to the great unwashed - they've never heard of Durant probably not Melo. Kobe, LBJ yes, CP3 and BG from publicity. Cliff Paul is a superstar. It's not who has game it's who has publicist. Barkley woofed that LBJ should get more commercials than CP3 or BG. Not to be insulting but LBJ is far from handsome. People will buy stuff from a handsome guy. One reason that Kennedy beat Nixon was that Kennedy was personable and handsome. Dicky Trick was butt ugly

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^^^good stuff. let me change my thoughts.

superstar:

  1. A widely acclaimed star, as in movies or sports, who has great popular appeal.

  2. One that is extremely popular or prominent or that is a major attraction.

note that it doesn't have anything to do with talent or skill. a superstar is defined by how well he's promoted, how well the public receives him/her, how much revenue he brings in. etc.

so yeah, i guess blake griffin is indeed a superstar. that's no longer debatable.

whether he's an elite player in terms of skill is a different question. players like lebron, kobe, jordan are in a league of their own solely because of their elite skill and world-wide recognition and fame. BOOM.

in sum, blake's clearly a superstar but he's not elite. which brings me back to my original point: if he's not elite, he's a superstar role player.

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It's amazing how long a debate on this topic can go: Superstar vs. star, vs. all-star, vs elite. All I can say is this: regardless of the title you want to give people there is an indication of who are the best players in this league. Those are the players that when available you give up half your team to get (as we did when we gave up Kaman, Gordon, Aminu, and the 10th pick). I can place Lebron, CP3, Durant, and Kobe in that category. As for the rest of the guys in this league I wouldn't give up as much.

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Ok definitions and symantics aside. Your original comment that set this all off said that our team is not stacked with starting talent. You've got to admit that both Blake and Chris are proper start talent.

After all this discussion you are saying that there are only a few elite players. What team has more than one of them? Maybe the Heat has 2 but of the "big three" you are calling 1 a role player.

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iphone typo, my bad. i meant "star" not "start"

as for miami, i would actually say that wade is no longer elite, leaving lebron as the only elite player. (yet they have 3 "stars" to work with).

i guess what I'm saying is that i like that the clippers are putting a roster together with guys that fill certain roles and not just a bunch of big pricey names (like this year's dodgers).

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Your talking to an Englishman in England...........I had to google the dodgers to check they were a baseball team LOL.

Ok so after all that debate we r back to your original point and I think your right that to craft a team with everybody knowing where they fit and having clear roles is better than just spending blindly on talent. Having said that BG is a big pricey name as well as CP3.

What is also interesting is that when it wasn't clear weather CP3 was going to re-sign a lot of people on this board felt that Blake was more important to the team.

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@EricPincus: And I've just gotten word that the Clippers have signed Lou Amundson

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Blake Griffin does multiple things on an elite level.

He dunks at an elite level

He handles the ball at an elite level

He passes the ball at an elite level

He draws double/triple teams at an elite level

I'll give you that he only rebounds at a "great level", but he's rebounded at an elite level in the past.

Fact is, any team would blow it up to get a guy like BG on their team.

Clippers put Blake on the trade market, there are only a handful of names on the list that the Clippers can't obtain, and those are all guys who teams wouldn't move under ANY circumstance barring a trade request. Teams don't give that kind of respect to a role player, superstar or not.

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i don't know if this should be in a different thread but i just heard the clippers signed some guy JaMychal Green.

does anyone know who he is or if he's any good? better than davies?

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They are bringing him to camp probably since we are only at 14 or 15 of the max 17-18 you can have for camp. JaMychal was one of the couple guys that stood out as being decent in summer league, liked him better than Davies.

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I think we invite the guy to camp and summer league every year..

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I actually liked him during summer league. He showed good hustle and decent skills at least in comparison to the other summer league bigs. Samuels started strong but fell off toward the end.

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No doubt. I still don't consider him a true superstar just yet though. He is a box office attraction but he is still limited in some ways. I consider him a high level star but not a superstar. He needs to improve his defense, his jump shot, his FTs and his post game. I didn't like the fact that Zbo has constantly outplayed him. Zbo definitely gets away with playing dirty sometimes but still its disappointing to see him get punked by him and do little about it.

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Wade when healthy is a superstar but when he is gimpy like he was in the playoffs he looks like a role player.... People remember the great game 4 he had and the good game 7 but in the playoffs in general he was pretty dam awful. In game 4 he got a lot of steals but people don't remember all the times he gambled and gave Danny Green an easy look from 3 point range.

Yea I guess Wade isn't elite anymore since he isn't consistent enough due to health.

I never considered Bosh elite. He put up nice numbers in Toronto but putting up good numbers on a mediocre team does not make you elite. He is a mid level All Star who has been utilized pretty poorly in Miami as a bail out shooter/mid range shooter.

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Wade still averaged like 21 pts on an elite team on like 52% fg%... I still think he's top 10.

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I think the argument all depends on what we are defining as a Franchise, Elite, Superstar, All-star, Potential Star, Starter, Role Player. I also think that some players fill in to more than one category, and that there are a lot of borderline players (that can be put into to one category or another depending on your individual opinion of said player). My definitions are below:

Franchise- I actually think this is the highest mark in my opinion and that there are only handful of these players in the league. Players that you can build a team around and wouldn't trade anybody for. I think of it as a franchise quarterback type deal, someone that you would want to build a statue of outside your stadium for. I think Blake is on the fast track to becoming one, and think Paul is already there. I also only think that there are currently three of these guys in the league with three just exiting this area. I believe Kevin Durant, Lebron James, and Chris Paul being the only three of this kind and Tim Duncan, Dirk Norwitzki, and Kobe Bryant (you could probably throw Wade in there too) all just passing this part of their careers up. There are a few other guys flying around it like Carmelo, Dwight (when healthy), Deron Williams and Tony Parker; and some entering it the conversation like Paul George, Steph Curry, Harden (now with Houston), and Derick Rose (if he returns to form, which you could actually put him in a few spots depending on your opinion).

Elite- I think if you are top 3 or even 5 in your position in the league (not just conference) you can be considered elite. I think Blake is a few steps from here and will enter this area this year, he might be even allowed by default. The other top PF's in the league have holes in their game as well, unless we are talking about Tim Duncan, Kevin Love has no Defense, and the other ones that are more balanced aren't nearly as explosive as Blake. I also think there should at least some type of balance to your game, but if you are so overwhelming in one area it could make up for it some what, but you can't be completely inept on the other end.

Superstar- If you are well known and marketable at least in your own market and known by basketball fans all around then I would consider you a superstar. Blake Griffin, Paul Gasol, Chris Bosh, Roy Hibbert I would consider superstars.

All star- you made the all star game. Almost same as above, but you don't necessarily need to be known in your market. People didn't know who Chris Kaman was in L.A. when he made the all star game with us. Deng, Iggy, David Lee, Brook Lopez, and Horford are good examples. There should probably be a list of players that should be All Stars too for guys like Curry and Aldridge.

Potential star- Your team fans get excited when talking about your potential, and you show flashes of your upside. Kawhi Leonard, Harrison Barnes, Rubio (I know its in large part due to injury but still needs to get past that just like Curry did), Anthony Davis, and Gordon Haywood.

Solid starter- I think someone who won't get completely outclassed by the opposing player on any given night ( I know there will be some nights, but I'm just talking about on a regular basis. I believe JJ Redick and all the other players we were targeting to be our starting 2 fit this role, OJ mayo, Afflalo, Chandler Parsons (he might be a potential star just depending on your opinion), and Paul Milsap (Could be considered higher than here too).

Role player- I think this one is easy, these guys mainly bring one thing to your team. The talent level can vary quite a bit, but they bring one thing better than most in the league. Reggie brings rebounding, Chandler brings post defense, Allen bring perimeter defense, and Crawford brings instant scoring. These are all guys who are probably within the top 5 of their perspective category and it could be broken down further to just shooting or whatever it is you are looking for. This doesn't necessarily mean they suck every where else just that they are specialist, and do what they do better than anyone else. This is where I really like Amundson, because like Reggie he is a role player that seems very aware of being just that. No false hope of being something more than what he is, but I think realizes that he can help get a win in his very own special way.

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It's weird how a thread about Amundson turned into one about Blake.

Clippersfan86
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Stay on topic please. This isn't a Blake Griffin thread.

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Sorry I didn't mean to go far off subject and meant to mention Amundson which I've added in my post. I just wanted to touch on that, but anyways it's a team game and pieces are all vital to a teams success. I don't see why Amundson can't be like a poor man's version of the Birdman.

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No worries. I try not to nag but it might confuse people if they come in and see a bunch of Blake Griffin stuff.

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Clips signed JaMychal Green for training camp.

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Anyone hear about how Lou's been doing? Is he in good shape? Did he play anywhere this summer?

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I think he's been playing at the clippers practice facility this summer

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Careful, Kevin Durant is going to tweet and disagree with you on that one

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So, how bout this Lou Amundson guy....

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This guy is gonna bring back pony tails. Steven Segal beware

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Not bad! didn't know he was on the team since I saw media day photo. He should come in handy when we play Memphis

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Lou's our token cliche tough guy. You know, I heard from a guy who heard from another guy that Lou Amundson cuts knives with butter....

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If you mean in the playoffs, then correction, IF we play Memphis. I don't think the 4v5 Memphis vs LAC matchup is happening again this year.

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Last I check it's always 5-5 match up wink

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Hahaha, DJ didn't do enough to count Wink

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With the way Billups played he should have counted as -1 starters. He was worse than DJ.

So it was 2v5. Sad

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I know I'm late but I'm confused, Lou's contract was made into a guaranteed contract yesterday right? & does that mean Davies is out?

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Caught this Lou tidbit at the end of this la times article http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-fyi-20131002,0,113713.sto ry#axzz2gdhFmtxN

"Rivers said free-agent forward Lou Admundson, who was impressive during workouts at the Clippers' facility the last two months, 'is one of those energy guys that you like having on your team.'"

Sounds like there's a good chance he sticks with the team. I certainly hope so...

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Read somewhere that Lou was giving Blake fits while defending him. Looking like he's going to be the 15th man and play meaningful minutes against tough opposing bigs. I've wanted him since I heard he was available, so I'm stoked for this pick up! Between Blake as the starter and Lou and Jamison (depending on the match ups) we seem to be absolutely stacked from 1-4. If DJ turns into the anchor Doc says he can be, and if Mullens and Hollins can provide anything, we're the deepest team in the NBA by a wide margin.

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Quick Madelyn interview with Lou:

http://www.nba.com/clippers/video/2013/ ... v-3009882/

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