DeAndre Jordan Wants To Play In Crunch Time This Year

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The tenuous relationship Jordan shared with coach Vinny Del Negro has been replaced by the giddy anticipation Jordan feels about playing for Doc Rivers.

And it just so happens that the philosophies of the Clippers' new coach and his starting center appear to be perfectly aligned.

"My focus and his focus are defense," Jordan said. "Everything else is going to be a bonus for me."

Liked this quote. Maybe finally he will get it and stop trying to improve hopeless things like a smooth post game.

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This is the quote that bothers me:

"I'm going to shoot the ball the same way, man," said Jordan, who turned 25 in July. "I'm not really thinking too much into it. I watched a lot of film of last year, the shots that I made and the shots that I missed. I feel like if I just keep the ball up and don't have a hitch in my shot and don't think about it as much and - no offense - don't pay attention to what you guys [in the media] say, I'm going to be fine."

Maybe he should take offense to what people say about him. That's the difference between this fool and BG. BG listens to what everyone says about him and that is what he works on the most. BG has no problem addressing his shortcomings, DJ just brushes them off.

I'm glad this is the year all excuses are off the table. He seems to think a coach will solve his problems but if Doc can't mask his stench, his gone no later than next off-season.

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DeAndre WANTS?

I want to dress I drag and visit the Spirit locker room.

Unless he shapes up fast what he'll WANT to do is find a house in some minor metropolis because he'll get traded.

Actually, I want to start and have DJ come off the bench.

I want to see him reversing his cephalo proctal insertion. - Pulling his head out of his orfice

Where is Ricky Davis and the bong when we need him?

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If he wants to play crunch time, he should know EXACTLY what he needs to do. And it's not just focus on defense.

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He's in for a rude awakening. The mere arrival of Doc Rivers isn't going to improve his play... he has to work to do that himself. There was a REASON Vinny benched him in crunch time.

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Absolutely. The one thing I could side with Vinny on was DJ. DJ was such a liability in the 4th quarter. He needs to improve

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Hopefully DeAndre Jordan has been hitting a much improved % of free throws in practice, and his desire to play late in games will be realized. It sounds like he wants to simplify his thought process for free throws, which is actually a positive.

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Yeah I wondered if this is what he meant about his FT rather than he didn't have to keep working on it. Because he has a nice stroke and maybe the problem is totally mental.

David I think you may be a class half full kind of guy Wink

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Free throws can be as much mental as mechanical, so yeah if he improves his focus, make it simple, don't think too much about it- they should help w/ his %.

BTW- added a poll- do you guys think DJ will play more during key moments of close games this season?

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I want to see how many free throws he makes. Last season we thought oooooo he's been working on ft that should be awesome, next thing we know he's hitting 1-10, 2-7, 1-6 and other crap like that, I want to see him in action first, cause I learned I can never predict his performance from reports, interviews etc...

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Get this guy off my team, Please. Luckily I still think we can win with him not playing in the 4th because I believe Mullens will be one of our best pickups off the bench.

This guy can't even box out a rebound, how is he gonna box out the media in his dumb ass head?

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I knew you had it in ya Joe. I think your gonna like what you see from him this year.....I hope.Smile

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I do think that's what he was referring to, as he does quite well with his FT shooting in practice as has been reported.

Anybody that doesn't think your head can do you in when it counts, hasn't played that 4 lettered game called....golf. lol

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Pressure isn't even the main thing that makes FT's in game harder than in practice, because in practice your feet are always set in place and you have a ball boy constantly dishing you the rock instantly after every shot so it's easier to stay in rhythm, as opposed to in game when after the first attempt you shake you teams hand and have to reposition your feet and wait a good 10 seconds for the ref to give you the ball while 5 big bodied players are wrestling for positioning right in front of your face.

I believe it has more to do with rhythm than pressure, and constantly practicing FT's is a good way to always stay in rhythm and that's what separates BG from DJ. Practice and effort.

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If he wants to play during crunch time he has to fulfill one of two requirements.

1) Better ft shooting %. At least 50ish %.

2) Defense so great that his defensive value outweighs his poor ft percent.

Last season he fulfilled neither requirement.

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I'm thinking this is the season for DJ and he becomes the 3rd Clipper allstar... me might not start but he'll be there.

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He actually made great strides in his post game from 11-12 to 12-13, so I really disagree that that is a hopeless thing to try and improve. I also disagree because it isn't a case where he can only work on one thing, he can improve his post game if he wants and improve on defense and at the line. None of those things are in opposition to each other, and there is certainly enough time for all.

If he plays good enough defense then he will stay in crunch time more despite the FT shooting. That doesn't mean there won't be specific situations where you have to pull him, even greats like Shaq, and guys like Wallace were pulled once in a while in certain crunch time situations due to their poor FT shooting.

Wait, is DJ even a good FT shooter in practice? I watched some of those interviews sometimes with him shooting in the background and he would got like 2/5, lol

His main issue has been that his mechanics are awful. I hope he's adjusted / changed them now.

Silasie: he has a nice stroke and maybe the problem is totally mental.

He doesn't have a miserable looking stroke, but it certainly isn't good if your break it down.

He bends his knees, brings the ball down, then up to near his head, stops, then goes into a shooting motion. If it was one smooth movement without that stop, it would be decent and he would just need to work on shooting straight. His second problem is that he probably squares his feet, but what you will see a lot of good shooters actually do despite saying they square their feet is turn.

The turn:

What the turn does is line up your shooting hip and shoulder to the basket which are actually what is important. Squaring the feet is uncomfortable and unnatural for a lot of players. Curry for example has a very prominent and noticeable turn.

The bend, bring the ball up, stop, then shoot is not a good release though. That's a very inaccurate release. Watch him shoot and watch a good FT shooter, you'll see it.

Stephen Curry, no pause and then shoot, the motion is continuous:

DJ, pause, no fluid motion, then basically shoot with all arm and no momentum:

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I agree with this. There are always plenty of opportunities to switch offense for defense down the stretch, and in the last 2 minutes his FT shooting isn't even an issue since we'd get ball out of bounds in addition to his shots.

His FT% wasn't the only reason he was benched in 4th Q's last year. He consistently loses focus on defense when he's not "eating" offensively instead of redoubling his efforts to box out, grab boards and bother shots.

Seems to me that he wants to be Blake Griffin despite not having the talents Blake does. He would serve himself much better if he set his sights on being Ben Wallace or Tyson Chandler. Hopefully Doc can get it into DJ's head that we already have a Blake.

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I've mentioned this before but my biggest concern about his FT shooting is he LOOKED like he didn't care when he missed his free throws. I mean, maybe he did but it sure didn't look like he was taking them all that seriously. Yet Blake, who was just as bad a FT shooter the year before, looked concentrated and focused every time at the line. Blake looked like he was trying to utilize the mechanics. And Blake looked pissed when he missed the FT's. THAT'S what's missing from DJ. And that is what truly has me doubting his ability to improve. But I want so badly to be wrong. I shouldn't speak for others, yet I think all us DJ critics WANT him to be better.

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DeAndre is an asset and if we want to be any good he has to play well for us. He's our best rebounder, shot blocker and is one of the best finishers in the game. He led the league by a wide margin in field goal percentage last year. A lot of great big men couldn't shoot ft's at all and he's got a better stroke than most of those. He's going to get better and we'll be happy we didn't trade him for an old man like Garnett when the season's done. We were better with him on the floor last year and he's going to be a positive difference maker for us this year.

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DJ has a high FG% because they're all dunks. As far as rebounds, I don't think except BG we had any good ones last yr. Reggie was way better. He can't be a finisher because he sits at crunch. He pouted to the point even BG was pissed. Kaman is a better finisher. Hollins is probably a better finisher. DJ's post moves usually end in strips.

Shaq 52%, Wilt 51%. Ewing 75%, Hakeem 72%, Ben Wallace 41%

He gives us blocks from the weak side rather than boxing out and he gets out muscled.

I can live with 45% FT, maybe 40 but he has to be monstrous in everything else, like guarding Zbo, like daily double doubles. Putting bodies on people so they can't get position and last but not least and this is true for you BG SET A PICK SO HARD THEIR TEETH RATTLE

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DJ and Blake are definitely the team 'a best finishers. Hollins isn't close to them. DJ also made a lot of jump hooks, especially when they were going to him at the beginning of the season. He was money with his right handed hook.

Ralph Lawler says that DJ makes 6/10 in practice, so it's partially mental. If he can get to 55%, I would be happy. I think that's a reasonable expectation.

I am glad he doesn't get pissed. Getting pissed will just cause him to miss even more. Still, it was obviously upsetting to him because his percentage kept dwindling and you could tell he was pressing.

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The subject of DJ is futile amongst us, there are those of us who are optimistic and believe in DJ (which I fall in, and believe that he will improve vastly on the defensive end, and rebound using fundamental skills, and slightly improve in his free throw percentage), those of us who are pessimistic about him (who think he is the only one to blame for his failures, and he will continue to disappoint), and those who are in the let's just wait and see what happens (which are probably going the smarter route out of the two groups, because we all know there is potential but acknowledge he has failed to live up to it as of yet).

I don't really like his quote about not paying attention to the media, but without knowing the variables it is difficult to come to a solid conclusion. If he is working with a shooting coach and they say you have a good shot, you just need the repetition to build it up; then I can see not trying to change your shot just making it consistent. I prefer he doesn't listen to the media, as long as he is listening to his coaching. On the flip side, if he isn't listening to anybody he will have a problem with more than just his shooting. I do have to say, that I've worried that he thinks to highly of himself on many occasions. I'm not a fan of people who always consider themselves special and think all they need is a chance. I do think Vinny was a problem in his development, but I'm hoping that with Doc in place that he has the respect for him to listen to him. This could be a simple thing as Doc knowing how to communicate with him better than Vinny (I'm sure you've had someone in an authority position over you that you don't listen to because he comes at you the wrong way).

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I call BS on this. Even his interviews give absolutely no indication he's upset by missing free throws. The math is simple. Blake is pissed when he misses them, and he's gotten better. DJ looks like he doesn't give a damn and his FT's have gotten worse.

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ok but practice your FT because if you will do that you will go to FT line a lot of times.

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Chris Paul was called the best closer in the league. If DJ were a finisher he would have been playing at crunch time in close games. He sat on the bench. As a matter of fact he's probably our last option in the starting line up .It makes no difference what his FT% is in practice. What counts is in games where he's worse than Ben Wallace. The reason they didn't go to him for his jump hook was that it didn't work. Nobody would ignore a player if he could hit a jump hook reliably. It's like cutting your own throat

Comparing him to our starters, he's not even a scoring option. At crunch he won't touch the ball. As far as our bench they are all more reliable scorers than DJ

As far as FT shooting I think he gave up. I think his grin was embarrassment. Nobody wants to let his team down. He did get pissed at not getting minutes to the point the team was pissed at him

I would trade him for Pau in a heartbeat (won't happen) I would trade him for Kaman in a heartbeat. The Dallas people said he'd become a great pick and pop big but the against orders put the ball on the floor

To repeat myself to the point of being nauseating If I had his physical skills, I'd be a top 10. He's more athletic than D12 but D12 is stronger

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Of course he cares. He is trying to play it off so it doesn't screw with his head. IMO DJ wants it badly. Like the gentleman posted earlier he has the free throw yips. It's just like getting the yips in golf. It has become a mental thing and the more you rant and rave the worse it gets. It's just like a golfer with the yips who has a two foot put and at his moment of release his hands or arms act (a slight twitch or the equivalent) inadvertently in a manner that is not wanted. The more you think about it the worse it becomes. He's trying hard to not to let all of the negative thoughts dominate his mind.

You know if he can make fifty percent of them when they start intentionally hacking than it's equivalent to shooting fifty percent of twos from the floor plus it cannot be done until they are in the bonus and not in the last two minutes. Everybody freaks out but it's not that big of a deal. Let him work his way through it and benefit by having his presence make us better.

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"I would trade him for Pau in a heartbeat (won't happen) I would trade him for Kaman in a heartbeat"

Pau is more skilled but is so soft and Kaman is a turnover machine who can't finish. I'll take my chances with DJ. Sounds like you're moving across the hall....good luck.

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I would easily take Pau over DJ but it would ever happen not to mention it would put us over the cap. If Pau is soft then what is DJ? Its not like he is a tough player.... I will take the guy who was the 2nd most important player for the Lakers in 3 Finals over the playoff nonfactor(DJ) any day even if Pau is a shell of his former self. That being said its not a realistic option anyway and the Lakers would never do it even if it was.

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The truth is the truth. I hate it when people say things like that and think they make sense. BUT I know these trades will never happen and it has nothing to do with loving LAL.

Pau can hit FT's can shoot and has post moves. His problem was Kobe. Pau played OK when Kobe was gone. He can outplay DJ drunk on Malbec. With the right situation he could play tougher. I would go over the cap for one year to get him this is a comparison of three guys, not a support for a team no way it will happen

Kaman is turnover prone in the post but at least he hits some hooks. DJ hits bubkus. He is a 75% FT shooter and has a good midrange jumper. For quite a while he was a double/double machine. You could play him in the 4th quarter. I think it may have been Cuban who said Chris could be one of the best pick and pop centers in the league but Kaveman didn't co operate. He can out play DJ while sniffing moose nuggets. If CK is turnover prone DJ looks like he's catching a greased pig. DJ's strength is his jumping and his jumping and his jumping and-------

per 36 min DJ last yr which was his best, Pau/Kaman career stats. These include their worst years. DJ does care

DJ 13ppg, 38%FT, 10 reb, 1.8 TO per full game 8.8 ppg/7.2 reb CK 14ppg, 74%Ft 10 reb 2.8 TO full game 11.8 ppg/ 8 reb Pau 18 ppg, 75%FT ,9.2 reb 2,3 TO

I didn't include FG% because it's skewed DJ only dunks. His TO's are low because he never handles the ball. Pau and CK are quite capable of playing at crunch. When Baron chose he made CK look really good but he didn't choose a lot. CP could make him really good Kaman any day

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If DJ can't play during crunch time which seems pretty unlikely who will? Is Mullens good enough? Hollins isn't.

I am really excited about this season but this is one aspect that really concerns me!

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It's hard to not take Pau over DJ, he's just better, but of course contracts. Kaman though, not at this stage. It's hard to argue him being more productive at anything except FT shooting. He's a more skilled offensive player that doesn't produce better offensive results for your team. This is one of those things people always struggle with grasping; how can a guy who scores more and has more offensive skills and creating/one one one be worse for the offense of a good team than a weaker individual skilled scorer?

It's the Jared Dudley vs Rudy Gay type situation. Basketball is about scoring, but team scoring, not individual scoring. Your team wants to get as many points from each possession as they can, not have one player score as much as possible.

Gay can create better, but the past 3 seasons, he's so inefficient that on a team that already has for example, Chris Paul and Blake and Crawford, he hurts the offense. He can score 3-5 more pts/36 than a Dudley, but with much inferior efficiency. The extra shots he's taking over Dudley are possessions taken away from more effective players like Paul and Griffin. So you team is no longer maximizing its possessions. it hurts the offense to have the guy who is "more skilled" despite his greater skills.

Gay would be perfect as a 3rd/4th option defensive guy who was an ISO option to end games. So if he focused more/got better on spot up 3PT shooting from the corners, maybe a mid-post game that was efficient. Gives you 15-16 PPG on .550-.570 TS%, play really hrs defense, and is a viable go to option to ice games. That's a great player. Sadly, I'm not sure you can get Gay to be that selective with his offense, or even to be effective in that role. Lucky for him he was more effective in earlier years and he could go back to that.

If Kaman had in recent years showed a willingness to be a low usage, defense/rebound first guy, and of course also stay healthy, he's better. For a good team. If Kaman is taking 16+ FGA/36 as he has the past 4 seasons, he's just not a good player for a good team. There's a reason a lot of good teams passed on him despite him being cheap, and it was the desperate Lakers that picked him up.

He could help a bad team that sorely needs someone to score, but he won't help them be good, just help them have someone to go to as a scorer. Similarly, Gay playing his curent level can help a Raptors team (more so than a Kaman) because he'll draw the best defender, give DeRozan relief, he'll be a positive because his backup sucks, and he can take/make shots in close situations, but his scoring and playmaking aren't efficient or effective enough to lead the team to be good on offense.

They either have to be very good on defense to be good, and he'll be part of that, but this usually gets misinterpreted as the main scorer leading the team with his scoring. It's a bit inaccurate, though it doesn't mean his scoring has zero value.

The second option is that the team has an inefficient leading scorer, but he's paired with something like two guys scoring 18 PPG with >.570 TS%, so their scoring balances it out and produces a good offense. So again, the leading scorer isn't necessarily the cause of the offense being at the level it is, but he's having some effect. For example if one of the other guys is a perimeter guy and the inefficient leading scorer gets the opposing best defender to not guard that guy every game.

So for a good team like the Clippers who already have established scorers and primary players, you don't really want a Kaman if his game isn't different. If the guy is going to be a role player, you want one with a more focused role who is effective with the possessions that they do get.

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We should be fine. I have a feeling that Doc will make DJ a more disciplined player. Still, even if teams decide to "hack a DJ" this is where Doc can substitue in Mullens in the 4th. The other team will either abandon that strategy or try the same with Mullens. If they do decide to "hack a Mullens" then they won't get the same results. According to Basketball reference PER 36 Mullens' FT% is 0.724, while DJ's FT % is at 0.424

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2013

So essentially we have ways of preparing for "hack a DJ"

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If a team hacks a career 72% FT shooter they must have an inept coach. Actually you could stick Hollins in too, he shoots pretty well from the line, career 66%, 75% last season. DJ and Amundson are the only atrocious FT shooters.

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Yeah, you're right, getting emotional improves your free throw shooting. I have coached a lot of players, some who could make 8 or 9 out of 10 in practice, but they go to crap during games and getting upset and pressing makes matters even worse. Anyone who has ever played any type of sport knows that losing your cool only causes more problems. This isn't football where you just get pissed off and go hit somebody.

If DJ, didn't give a damn about them, they why would he shoot a few hundred of them every day?

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Yeah, my son and another one of the players on the team I was coaching during the summer were selected for their divisions free throw shooting contest. They both will usually make 7 or 8 out of 10 and 9 out of 10 on a good day. They both got moved around during the contest and missed their first shot. They ended up with 4 and 5 out of 10 shots made, where they make more than that on a normal basis even during games, they have both made game winning free throw shots in the past two games prior to that. With that said the pressure from missing their first shots, made them press and they ended up doing worse than they normally do.

I think DJ is working on it, and if he's not I'm sure Doc is taking notes on how he reacts to things. If Doc doesn't like the way DJ is reacting to things, and doesn't see growth, I'm thinking he might be smart enough to build him up and trade him early on. I'm hoping that DJ reacts well and puts in the work, as well as takes on a new role as the defensive anchor.

The year before last DJ looked like he was on the verge of breaking out defensively, but not having a set scheme to rotate to and/ or having to change them on a game by game basis just doesn't seem to be to smart or beneficial for any players development. I have enough trouble with my kids going from man to zone and vice versa and try not to break from zone to often for that reason. I know it's different, but my kids ran their zone on memory and it worked well. They new where to rotate to and where to help and where not to help, I can only imagine this being somewhat important at every level. You could only add that the other wrinkles if you master the basics, don't think Vinny ever had the team master the basics.

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I'm not suggesting that the Clippers run a zone defense, I'm suggesting that a set scheme or system on where you want to direct traffic and what is priority amongst the defense should be set and not changes. Once that is mastered, then if you feel you have the personnel and capabilities you can add a few wrinkles.

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Um, because he's been told too. Nobody is suggesting he whine and moan when he misses. I'm just suggesting his demeanor, his refusal to go through the mechanics he's been taught and the ultimate outcome all suggest he doesn't care as much about improving his free throws as Blake seems to. My point is Blake seems focused at the FT line. DJ doesn't. I never said Blake lost his cool at the FT line when he missed. I simply said you can tell he's pissed when he misses. Why? Because he wants to make them. Does DJ? Does he really?

And by the way, what person who allegedly coaches players would defend DJ's FT shooting or his behavior toward them? And what alleged coach would suggest some emotion isn't good for team sports? Color me skeptical.

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Of course he wants to make them. Really and truly he does.

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Agent0 as usual you have made good well thought out points and I love your posts. The Gay analogy is quite good as are your opinions about Chris.

I guess the question was, in the 4th quarter of a PO game last year would you rather have had Chris or Jordan?

We shouldn't even be having this discussion. When his comments have concerned the Clipper cognoscenti to the point we have split opinions, the question has been answered. Remember that he had attitude problems last year, delusions of adequacy and he pissed the team off. He is with two of the most hard working driven guys. I would say to the press that I'm going to outwork them.

When the third of our Big Three makes statements implying or even making us infer that he doesn't care or is unwilling to put in the effort to get better HE has a problem as do we.

Kobe in spite of being a jackass tries to get better every year and give the devil his due. LBJ, BG have never implied that they are good enough.

As we get older we come to realize that things are usually what they seem. It's simple. If it's brown, smells bad and you find it in a cow pasture, as much as we argue, it ain't a chocolate brownie. It's just what it looks like bull s*it. Pick it up and you smell bad. DJ doesn't LOOK like a brownie (no color reference meant)

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If DJ really cared, he wouldn't smile after missing a free throw that badly. I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but my patience with him is running at an all time low. If doesn't step up this season, I say we trade him for draft picks. He averaged 3.7 pts and 6.3 rebs and shot 22.2% from the ft line. That's pathetic!

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I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but my patience with him is running at an all time low. If doesn't step up this season, I say we trade him for draft picks.

That's it, simple as that. He's got one last chance under a bonafide coach and if not get rid.

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Doc Rivers plans to play Jordan and Griffin in the fourth quarter:

Doc went out of his way to say that he plans to have Griffin and DeAndre Jordan on the floor in the fourth quarter. This is an example of him giving an honest, unguarded answer to a question. Talk is cheap of course and we'll see what he actually does, but I love the fact that he's willing to put it out there, to set an expectation. It would be so easy for him to into coach-speak: "Each situation is different, we'll have to wait and see what happens, we're going to play the right way." He didn't do that. He said "I want Griffin and Jordan on the floor."

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... in-the-4th

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As he should. He can't just freeze out Dj for an entire season like VDN then expect him to all of the sudden play big minutes in the playoff

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Griffin and DJ on the floor in the fourth needs to happen. DJ just needs to earn it by limiting those fouls, working on freethrows, and doing what is asked of him without question. In sum...it's up to DJ to improve. The expectations are there for him, and Doc is publicly saying he wants him in the game come crunch time. So he has his coach's backing, now its up to DJ to keep Doc's faith in him alive by playing smart

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In general last year in the playoffs I would have liked to have Kaman because Vinny was the coach and at least Kaman could jack up some shots and being inefficient overall doesn't mean you are in every game (and I don't think he could have tanked any of the two wins with inefficiency). So if he has a really good offensive game with Blake injured, that could mean a win when combined with Paul's dominance through those games.

If you look at his offense last year in Dallas, he was either really effective or just miserable. He wasn't really average much of the time, so you were either getting a really nice performance or just a throw up performance.

I don't like to isolate analysis that much though because used correctly, DJ probably benefits the majority of NBA teams right now more so than Kaman for 90% of the game. I'd rather get the advantage early before I need to depend on my C's FT shooting. Sort of like when people say "down 2 with two seconds left Kobe > Lebron (I know this isn't exactly factually accurate", but if Lebron more often wins me the game before I need to get to that situation, him being inferior in such a limited time frame doesn't mean he's a less effective player.

With that said, I don't think I've ever gotten a perception that DJ is a bad guy or doesn't care, but he has some immature tendencies, and his personality leans a certain way that needs to be managed. That's just the reality of dealing with different people in general.

He's never struck me as someone who doesn't care though.


Vinny should have played DJ in the 4th, but we have to remember that it was really about more than FT's when it came to DJ's 4th quarter minutes. If it was just FT's he would have been back in games with 2 mins or less remaining when fouling off the ball is of no benefit, but he still wasn't.

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Immaturity -- you hit it on the head. He does care A LOT but as you said his personality needs managing. That's what we're really complaining about. I can live with 50% FT shooting. An overgrown adolescent?

He doesn't seem to have the focus or the desire to be great. He's not hungry. He seems to lack for lack focused anger (Hyperbole). There are people who will make the semblance of working hard so they can say "look I've practiced" but they're going through the motions. Any great player thinks he's the baddest MF on the block. Can you imaging DJ talking trash?

To be re redundant given his skills how many of us would be all stars?

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Having VDN as a coach definitely didn't help with DJ's immaturity issues. If anything it made matters worse. If DJ can't get it together under Rivers then he is a loss cause end of story.

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A bit of trivia. Yip Man Bruce Lee's instructor was criticized because he taught different things to different students. People finally realized that he changed his training methods to suit the student. You can't teach Kareem and Shaq the same moves. As well you have to adjust your training to suit the students temperament. Some need encouragement while others like Tyson need cooling down. This is a master teacher.

I hope Doc is in this class.

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