Clippers Vs. Suns Preseason Game Thread 2013-10-15 (P. 3)

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tense2
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Come on now, Hollins and Amundson had 8 fouls between them in 22+ mins...what do you what, lol.

Voyeur
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Seems like Amundson should have more than one rebound.

CP3Heliflopter
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Man I miss Odom believe it or not. He was turd offensively but great defensively. Now we have bigs that are turd on both ends of the floor:/.

itsLuigi
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i don't think they should trade Jamal. he has saved our skin in so many games. its kind of scary thinking of Jamal on another team. i think there are still some free agents out there that won't require a trade.

Drew gooden

Stephan jackson

Jason collins

Chris wilcox

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itsLuigi
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he was starting to get the offense back at the end of last season

lamlam and grant hill are both missed

CP3Heliflopter
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These guys are lateral moves AT BEST. They have similar issues that our current bigs have. We have Redick now and Willie Green as backup so Crawford isn't as needed now. Crawford has won us a few games but he has also killed us in many games too. Not to mention his isos are not as necessary now that we actually run plays/have an offensive system.

If we need to iso I much rather have CP3 isoing over Crawford. Guys like Redick and Green are much better off the ball.

Akclipps
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What happen to dj's freethrow 1-5? He still needs to be consistent on that for him to stay in crucial games

tense2
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Plays like he's been playing he'll be in the crucial games even if he has some of those free throwing games.

Akclipps
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Yeah but when he's shooting bad freethrows at the end of the game they're going to hack a dj him and that is gonna hurt our team specially when playoff time comes. I know he's playing well but that freethrow is really important inorder for him to be a superstar. He needs to be consistent on his freethrows

ClipsGForce
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What's up with everyone want to trade Crawford? I know Willie Green is doing great, but it always good to have enough scorer. Come on guys, give us a half season and see how we do. I rather have Crawford in this team, than other teams.

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Or maybe we don't need CP3 and Blake we have already Collison and Amundson. LEts trade CP3 and Blake for any player from WNBA. Sad

Voyeur
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Yeah I'm not on the "as long as he plays this kind of defense I don't care how poorly he shoots free throws" wagon. If he shoots as poorly as he did last year on the line, he will STILL have to be taken out at certain moments of the game. So...HIT AT LEAST 55-60% OF YOUR FT'S DJ!!!

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Agreed.

The article below talks a lot about how DJ was upset about not playing in the 4th under VDN. Well he'll be upset again if he doesn't sort his FT%.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... s/2989355/

ArmoClipFan
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Cp3 is a monster this year. #mvp #moreaggressive

tense2
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I believe he'll shoot at least +50% this year.

CP3Heliflopter
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Yea because Crawford is comparable to CP3 and Blake. roll He is a one dimensional player whose strength is iso scoring. In terms of fit he isn't the best and in terms of need we need backup bigs much more. Redick is going to be the starter and Willie Green is a great backup.

Or we can keep Crawford and have Willie Green riding the bench the entire season and have a terrible backup big rotation of Mullens, Jamison, Hollins, and Amundson. If we can get a good defensive big that hustles and rebounds for 20ish mpg for Crawford like Birdman I would do it in a flash. We will never have problems offensively only defensively. This season our starters are strong defensively while our bench is weak defensively. Of course having Barnes back will help but we have no good defensive bigs and they foul too much.

CP3Heliflopter
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50% with strong defensive more than good enough. Last season he was especially atrocious. 38% was the worst in the league I believe not to mention he wasn't consistent enough defensively. 50% is 1 point per possession which isn't too bad. His defense should compensate for that.

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We don't need to trade Crawford, what's wrong with you? We just need to keep Jamal and and add ANOTHER bench big, get it? ADD to our roster, not drain it, even it means dumping lou and davies BOTH!

Icecoldclipper
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Trading Crawford is a backwards move because he is one of the few players that get to the line. The bench desperately needs players that can attack and create shots because our bench bigs refuse to post up.

This team just has to go small with Barnes at PF.

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Loyalclipfan.

You don't get quality bigs for free. All the bigs mentioned are just as terrible as the ones we have now. Crawford is the only big asset we have that is somewhat expendable.

Our bench defense is going to be atrocious without a defensive big. Last season we had Odom who was great defensively and we had Bledsoe too. Our bench offensively is going to be bad without CP3 or Blake on the floor Crawford or not.

Getting a defensive big is a bigger need than Crawford. Willie Green is a good 2nd stringer. We have no good 2nd string bigs. They are all 3rd string level. If didn't have Willie Green then I would be singing a different tune. Right now we don't have any bigs outside of Blake and DJ that aren't a huge liability. Mullens is terrible defensively and inconsistent offensively.

Amundson is a 3rd stringer and so is Hollins. Neither can play defense without fouling.

Uncle.Ben
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Keep crawford. Do you know how much pressure he puts on opposing defense?

we can always sign another big...

Agent0
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If the team could have always signed another, and the word you are forgetting is USEFUL big, they would have. If the right opportunity comes, Crawford is a trade able asset. In his career, he hasn't been as effective in the post-season, and having a solid tire big will probably correlate better to post-season success than having Crawford, but note the word choice, SOLID, not just any random guy.

I disagree about the bench offense, remember we haven't seen them with Barnes and that they will be playing about 12-13 MPG as a unit, not 30+ MPG. The bench with

Collison/Crawford/Barnes/2 of Jamison/Mullens/Hollins should be able to score against other benches quite adequately, very well actually.

Crawford averaged 4.0 FTA/36., relative to his FGA, he doesn't really draw THAT many fouls. Paul, Girffin, Jordan and Hollins all get there more per minutes and Collison did 4.2 FTA/36 last season, while Jamison did and okay 3.0.

I don't think the big loss will be ability to get to the line tbh with you. He has other skills more missable than that, but it also depends who you are switching him with. Crawford is like the 5th-7th best player on the team in terms of foul draw rate. Out of guys that can create, he's behind Paul and Blake and at about the same level as Collison.

tense2
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Actually for the last 8 years he's been above average for his position in FTA's per game as is his LT number.

Chris and Blake do have better FTA rates (for their respective positions) then him, just not sure who the other 3-5 players on the team who's rate's are also better.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/373-jamal-crawford

itsLuigi
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from the few games i have seen, Jason collins plays some good defense

he plays smarter than hollins and doesn't foul as much. i saw him play in a game against dwight and he was defending him pretty well

tense2
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A below average shooter and rebounder who fouls a lot....not anything we don't already possess unfortunately.

itsLuigi
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yeah your're probably right i've only seen him play like twice

what about stephan jackson? he can be this years Lamar odom but with cheaper defense

he can space the floor, crate his own shot and has some toughness left in him

tense2
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He's a SF, don't need that spot filled. Smile

itsLuigi
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i know but he was playing power forward pretty good at the beginning of last season with the spurs.

he started as a shooting guard and moved his way to a small forward/power forward

TheDude
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I LOVE that we have Byron Mullens. This guy is going to be a god send by the end of the year. Throw out first game and he's shooting 43% from deep on a shitload of shots. He could end up being a bigger Ryan Anderson by the time he's done.

Loved it when they signed him and he's already proving to be exactly what we needed. Will only get better now that he has a real coach for the first time in his career.

Will undoubtedly be our best big off the bench this year. a lot of ctb crow will be ingested by mid year.

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I am excited to see Mullens play... he is not afraid to take the shot, and connects (most of the time).

I miss Bledsoe.... and he was looking good last night..

not a fan of Hollins at all.

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He had a much better game against Phoenix for sure. However, let's hope that carries on against other teams as well because his shooting percentage was attrocious in other games.

Still, I will be rooting for him to succeed I just want him to play smarter

ClipperB23
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I agree, well said Dude.

tense2
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Depends on how you define "most of the time", lol.

clippyclip
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I really like seeing Mullens and Crawford play together - they had some nice exchanges last night. That second unit is going to be nice when it gels more.

tense2
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Hope your right Dude, as it'll only make the team that much better which is what we all want....but I wouldn't bet on it. Smile

And as far as him being the "best" bigs off the bench this year...if we don't upgrade some how and keep the "stuff" we have (not very good)...I'd say you're probably right.

clipperboy24
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Yep Jason Collins is horrible.

Agent0
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Per 36 last season:

Ryan Hollins 4.8 FTA/6.2 FGA (.77)

DeAndre Jordan 4.5 FTA/8.7 FGA (.52)

Antawn Jamison 3.0 FTA / 12.7 FTA (.24), but previous 2 season it was 4.6 FTA/17.3 FGA (.27)

Sorry, I was basing it on last season because I was thinking maybe account for the fact that he is getting older and his rate won't be the same as his career. Of course one season could be an outlier, so I shouldn't necessarily do that! but if think it's fine for this.

Last one:

Darren Collison: 4.2 FTA / 11.0 FGA (.38)

Crawford last season: 4.0 FTA / 16.4 FGA (.24)

Career: 3.9 FTA / 14.9 FGA (.26)

Since 05-06: 4.5 FTA / 15.0 FGA (.30)

I didn't want to do the actual calculations, so it was more of a head estimate. Now if we are saying relative to position, that's a different thing as bigs like DJ and Hollins are playing closer to the basket. Also if I more accurately used Crawford since 05-06, it certainly ranks him higher than just last season.

With my not fully accurate / complete one season analysis, last season he was tied with Jamison, so in terms of FTA/FG, Paul, Blake, Holins, Jordan, Collison, then tied with Jamison, that's in the 5th-7th range. Phew, estimates worked Wink

I didn't take into account Dudley and Redick in my mind for whatever reason, but here are those two:

Dudley: 2.7 FTA/11.1 FGA (0.24)

Redick: 2.9 FGA/13.3 FGA (0.22)

EDIT: Checked, Hollins and Jordan were actually 4th and 8th respectively among C's in FTA/Minute. If you add some PF/C guys (Nene, Duncan, Monroe, Stoudemire) they are still 8th and 12th respectively. Not bad, not bad.

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