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Post Subject: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408088by ClipperKyle32 » Oct 19, 2013 - 04:14 PM PST
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PG- Chris Paul, Darren Collison, Maalik Wayns SG- JJ Redick, Jamal Crawford, Willie Green SF- Jared Dudley, Matt Barnes, Reggie Bullock PF- Blake Griffin, Antawn Jamison, Brandon Davies, Lou Amundson C- Deandre Jordan, Ryan Hollins, Byron Mullens

The Three Battling for roster spots are Maalik Wayns, Brandon Davies, and Lou Amundson! Lou and Maalik are likely to go! We still have , I believe , and 2.6 million TE from the Bledsoe Trade, to trade for a Brenden Haywood ( according to Steve Perrin per http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbwZd )

@AlexKennedyNBA: AVAILABLE: Jason Collins, Kyrylo Fesenko, Joel Przybilla, Kevin Jones, Malcolm Thomas, Aleksandar Pavlovic, Josh Selby, Darington Hobson. @AlexKennedyNBA: AVAILABLE: Marquis Daniels, Mickael Pietrus, Raja Bell, Lamar Odom, Leandro Barbosa, Daniel Gibson, Drew Gooden, Josh Howard, Hakim Warrick.

Lamar Odom is obviously still available , and while he was with the Clippers he gave us 4 Points , 6 Rebounds, and 2 Assist!! I honestly loved his rebounding and his veteran leadership while he was on the Clippers!

Would You Give Lamar Another Chance? And Why? I Know I Would!!!



                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408095by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 04:56 PM PST
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I don't think hiring someone with a recent hard core drug problem is ever justifiable.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408096by Clipswhit » Oct 19, 2013 - 04:57 PM PST
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At this point, I'd bring him in. None of our back up bigs have looked good at all. For the min, Odom would be a low risk, high reward player.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408098by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 05:10 PM PST
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I guess I just can't wrap my head around the idea that hiring a crackhead is a low risk high reward proposition lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408099by tense2 » Oct 19, 2013 - 05:10 PM PST
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Crackhead or not, with the backup bigs we have now...yes, lol. But I think if things don't work out with what we have something can be done down the line. No hurry.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408102by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 05:20 PM PST
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Agreed. At this point, bringing on Lamar would be a sign of total desperation on Doc's part. We're not there yet. We haven't even seen our actual regular season rotations yet due to all of the injuries on top of Doc wanting to give everybody on the bench a lot of burn. Hopefully the Lakers pick Lamar up soon so this is no longer even a remote possibility for us.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408104by Clippersfan86 » Oct 19, 2013 - 05:36 PM PST
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After 5 games of Amundson, Mullens etc hell yes. Even while actively smoking crack during last season Odom was better. Really bummed he pulled the,BS this summer.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408105by Silasie » Oct 19, 2013 - 05:52 PM PST
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Addiction to hard core drugs is a very tricky business so even if he has been clean for a while I would be very very cautious in hiring him. So essentially no. But we could do with him frankly.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408106by ArtMaggot » Oct 19, 2013 - 05:59 PM PST
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No, keep the KK curse away from the jumbotron.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408108by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:03 PM PST
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Brandon Davies will soon be equal or better than 2011-2013 Lamar (if we don't cut him).

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408109by CP3Heliflopter » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:11 PM PST
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Even crackhead Odom is better than some of our bigs.

                
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Post ID: 408110by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:19 PM PST
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Crack is the most addictive drug I've eve seen. People get hooked after one took. It takes a lot to get addicted to heroin. It's odd. Usually people with money use powdered cocaine. they can get 100% pure. Rock is an inner city drug. Does he have heart problems? What is his physical condition? How are his lungs? Does he have a support system? (His fans)

If he is clean I'd think about it. He needs to be active and very public about his drug use. Forget 12 Step. It most likely doesn't work. Will give numbers on request.

Pryzbilla is old. Let's get BRAD MILLER and large amounts of Geritol. Gooden gives us scoring and some boards. Getting LO is not an act of desperation. It's a calculated risk.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408113by Silasie » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:28 PM PST
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From the sounds of that video above he has been playing ball high for a long time. Though surely they drug test in the NBA.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408117by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:32 PM PST
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I would cool it with the Crackhead word. None of us know what actually went down to this day so there's no reason to be so judgemental. And even if he's done coccaine, that hardly makes him a crack head. There's a difference between coccaine and freebase, not saying either is acceptable, but one is significantly worse & more dangerous and people are throwing the word around like they were there watching him do it. Hop off your high horse please, everyone has demons, don't judge someone because they sin differently than you. If its purely about team liability I get it, that's fair, but no need to get personal & make fun of a dude battling his demons which may or may not be what we think they are.

                
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Post ID: 408119by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:35 PM PST
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We really don't have any inside presence. If we hit open shots we're nasty but "Live by the jump shot die by the jump shot" Against Memphis who do we use? There is nobody on the bench and champions are not jump shooters. Can we cut Amundsen and Wayans and go over the cap if necessary? Can we package Hollins with a Thanksgiving turkey a menorah and a Hanukkah bush? This should cover all bases.

Question for my Jewish brethren. Is the Hanukkah Man coming now or in December? Thanksgiving latkes and applesauce? (If so I'll convert)

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408120by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:36 PM PST
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Any team willing to take on Lamar Odom right now is desperate and anything but calculating. That's why I bet he ends up with the Lakers. Remember, hardly anyone was even willing to take a risk on him last season, and that's before his crack addiction came out! He's done. Finished. Over.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408121by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:41 PM PST
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DocHollywood, did Lamar date your little sister or something? You really hate this guy!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408123by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:50 PM PST
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Yeah, I'm a Kardashian lol. And no, I don't hate him at all- I feel terribly sorry for him in fact. He's been through a lot in the past few years and I am not at all surprised with the news of his drug problem. When does a sixth man of the year just suddenly lose nearly all of his ability to play basketball? I just respond maybe with a bit of excessive forcefulness when I hear people trying to rationalize our team acquiring a player who was not at all good last year and that we now believe has a serious drug problem!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408124by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:54 PM PST
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He wasn't good last year because he was making $8 mil, for the minimum, he filled a necessary role. I think your more disappointed with him because u know his potential than his actually play because he was a serviceable backup big last year, just way overpaid.

                
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Post ID: 408126by Silasie » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:59 PM PST
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Agreed. Lets show some respect to a really nice guy.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408127by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 19, 2013 - 06:59 PM PST
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I'm not being judgmental. I've worked with hundreds of crack addicts. Crack aka rock is cocaine aka free base. It is smoked so the brain gets a blast of it. With powered cocaine even 100% pure you don't get the blast. It's the difference between a nicotine patch and a cigarette. Shooting heroin vs "Chasing the dragon". You don't have to have demons to use crack. You just have to try it. I know people who tried it and didn't know what is was. They were told it was just coke WRONG.They were told "Just try it once. don't believe the press" There is no psychological, sociological or any other "ological" that matters. It's brain chemistry. You seem a reasonable guy. If you were to smoke crack all day for one day it's almost 100% you would be addicted and sell your car in a month. I've seen it too many times. This is simply the truth. There is a difference between judgment and discernment. I don't judge a person for being a crack head or say he isn't worthy of respect but I wouldn't invite him to my home. It's not a sin. It's a bad choice.

                
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Post ID: 408130by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:07 PM PST
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I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Does that information on drugs mean you know for a fact what he's done and its okay to call him a crackhead? I'm not following...

                
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Post ID: 408131by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:09 PM PST
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I appreciate the rep!

                
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Post ID: 408132by Silasie » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:14 PM PST
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I appreciate your point.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408137by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:20 PM PST
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I see where you're coming from uncool. For vets minimum, a player with Lamar's abilities from last season would normally be a no brainer. It comes down to how each of us as individuals perceives a truly serious drug problem. For instance, I personally could understand a team picking up Michael Beasley for close to the minimum even though he has a weed habit. Some here would surely be against that. Crack is a much more serious addiction and I would never even consider a player with such a problem. Every situation like this is open to interpretation and there is no absolute right answer.

                
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Post ID: 408138by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:28 PM PST
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That's fair, I don't care much either way, I just think he's a good person & deserves more respect than he gets, having the terrible childhood he had. I also saw Rob Kardashian at the mall a couple months ago & he was nice enough to talk to me about Lamar for a while, I won't give details but I'm a little more sympathetic to his situation.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408139by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:42 PM PST
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I really don't think you are more or less sympathetic than I am towards Lamar. We are likely equal in this regard. To think otherwise is cynical. I just happen to fall at the opposite end of the spectrum concerning the signing of him to the Clippers. Just cause I feel sorry for Lamar doesn't mean I'm obligated to offer him a job. I wish I could be the one to convince him to check into inpatient rehab.

                
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Post ID: 408140by uncool » Oct 19, 2013 - 07:53 PM PST
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I didn't say "more sympathetic than you" I said "more sympathetic" as in more than I would have been if I hadn't talked to his brother-in-law. Cynical? Calm down bruh!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408141by DocHollywood » Oct 19, 2013 - 08:05 PM PST
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Alright. I based my response as much off of the entirety of your previous posts as I did off the last one.....peace.....and settle down Mike Smith lol

                
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Post ID: 408144by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 19, 2013 - 09:25 PM PST
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@uncool

Here's what I mean. I don't do politically correct. Your view may change if you've seen crack babies. A crack head is someone who's strung out on crack a junkie is strung out on heroin an alcoholic is strung out on booze (we won't talk about LAL fans). That's the report we got. To a certain extent because of libel we have good reason to believe it. I think we know what he did.

He has neither committed a sin or done something morally wrong. I never said that I judged him as a bad person. He made a bad choice, a choice many of us including me could have made. That's all. He didn't know what he was getting into. His brain chemistry then was altered because of the drug enhancing his reward centers. Crack and "chasing the dragon" and cigarettes are probably the worst. I didn't even say he was stupid. Does he deserve compassion and caring YES. but he's still an addict.

He may steal your mother's jewelry if he weren't rich. As I said this could happen to anyone. Cocaine causes mental problems even when there were none prior to its use. Would you bet this team's season on an addict? Not a moral judgment.

Usually realizing you are a crack head, junkie, tweaker and have hit bottom helps with recovery.

Smoking crack can cause "crack lung" you can get heart problems as well. This has to be considered. Also once your brain chemistry has been altered it's EXTREMELY difficult to revert to normal.

                
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I really don't know what we're talking about here but alright bro, you win the contest of crack knowledge.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408306by cleepers » Oct 20, 2013 - 11:01 AM PST
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It's not that we shouldn't have sympathy for his past problems (or current ones), but there are many, many people who have endured similar suffering and have become inspirational figures instead of wallowing in self-pity. Lamar had the added benefit of making more than enough money to seek out the help he needs.

Plenty of people have to battle personal tragedy and addiction while still surrounded by the situation that made it so easy for them to slip in the first place. I have much more sympathy for the guy who has to take the bus to his minimum wage job just to pay the rent on his single-room slum apartment and has nothing to do in the evening but watch the dealers on the corner 10-feet from his window because he can't even afford cable or internet.

I can truly understand the temptation to say "f*ck it" and score a rock in that situation - but when you can hang out at Passages Malibu for a couple of months to cleanse yourself for less than you make in a week and come home to your mansion to a mailbox full of invitations to red-carpet events and be surrounded by guys who barely even drink a glass of wine with dinner - you actively have to seek out a way to get high.

Money itself doesn't cure anything... but it gives you the means to put yourself in the best situation to succeed in your rehabilitation and buys good lawyers that keep you out of jail, preventing you from screwing up your life even further. At some point, the traumatized individual has to step up and WANT to fix their situation.

Lamar was welcomed with open arms into the tightest, most family-oriented organization in the league last year and surrounded by exemplary characters who still encouraged him when he didn't quite live up to expectations. The Clippers did their part. I don't blame the organization at all for steering clear of him now.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408311by Agent0 » Oct 20, 2013 - 12:19 PM PST
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If he gets himself right and shows good work ethic and works hard. That's a lot of if's right now.

Crap, maybe Drew Gooden is even a better option than the current guys since at the least he does rebound well, won't foul out immediately and despite no 3PT shooting he can hit long jump shots. But then he'll have to learn the whole system.

Edit: no, I just can't say Gooden is more acceptable, Gooden's defense is just too bad, lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408314by Clippersfan86 » Oct 20, 2013 - 01:06 PM PST
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Cleepers that's 100 percent true. Also don't forget ALL of his teammates tried to call him constantly this summer and couldn't reach him and got no returned calls. So did Ralph Lawler and others in the organization. Guess how many calls Odom returned? ZERO.

                
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Lamar does not deserve another chance. He was originally let go by the Clippers during his first stint here due to testing positive for Marijuana if I'm not mistaken. We then got him again last year when Dallas and the rest of the league didn't want to touch him. He chose to risk his job and family for his own self gratification. I wish him well but if he needs a new start we should not be the team to have to risk capital in him yet again.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408342by tense2 » Oct 20, 2013 - 08:09 PM PST
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If people have to watch Mullins play this year there just might be a lot more Clipper fans smoking crack, LOL.

                
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Post ID: 408345by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 20, 2013 - 08:25 PM PST
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@pageC4 Lamar wasn't let go because of pot. Sterling dismantled the team for financial reasons.

If any of you are not offended by crass foulmouthed racist humor check out Richard Pryor's skit about setting himself on fire while smoking crack (he did)

                
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Post ID: 408353by pageC4 » Oct 20, 2013 - 09:24 PM PST
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Yeah just checked out an article by ESPN. You're right. He was actually not resigned because the team wanted Elton Brand, so the money was offered to him rather than resigning Odom. Still the fact remains that Odom was using drugs even during his first stint as a Clipper. The writer of this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... our/061102 says that Odom was suspended in 2001 while with the Clippers for violating the league's drug policy twice in eight months (he tearfully admitted to smoking marijuana). While Brand was a better option for us it is not far fetched to think that the FO considered Lamars prior drug history in their decision between Lamar or Brand

                
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Post ID: 408366by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 21, 2013 - 06:17 AM PST
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The problem isn't smoking pot. I don't think they do drug tests. I would bet that a lot of players smoke pot but they're cool about it. Lamar was probably smoking in public or doing something indiscreet. Like on the steps of the campus police .They weren't around 24/7. Young and STUPID. Lamar also had a wrist injury that kept him out for a while.

                
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Post ID: 408368by Amnesty_David_Stern » Oct 21, 2013 - 06:31 AM PST
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The guy at this point needs to clear his head and get sober. If he's dead sober and in tip top shape come say, February time, then maybe give him a look. Otherwise I'd just say goodbye.

                
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Post ID: 408369by Silasie » Oct 21, 2013 - 09:37 AM PST
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I agree, that is a good sensible approach.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408377by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Oct 21, 2013 - 11:54 AM PST
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Crap, I accidentally clicked "Yes". There should be one more "No" up there haha.

                
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Post ID: 408411by WinningBasket » Oct 21, 2013 - 06:01 PM PST
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I voted no. Lamar has lost so much focus the past couple of years, it would be insane and disruptive to bring him back at this point. He needs help more than anything else. Who really know if he's sober, clean, and mentally fit and not depressed. Lamar would need to show some serious improvement in his health to even be considered. His personal life with Khloe seems in shambles. The Clippers don't need this mess.

                
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Post ID: 408420by pageC4 » Oct 21, 2013 - 07:34 PM PST
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Marijuana is a minor offense. But if you do test positive for it its a problem in the NBA. I'm sure they have some kind of substance abuse policy, and the players need to abide it.

                
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Post ID: 408477by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 22, 2013 - 04:16 PM PST
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That's kinda my point. I dont' think the league cares if you smoke pot at home or discretely with friends. I think he was public and indescreete which is worse than the pot.

Anyway if you're playing stoned it may be better because the ball goes through the hoop slower and you can correct your mistakes. You will also learn to improve your off hand dribble since you will have a pack of Reese Cups in your dominant hand.

                
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Post ID: 408488by realbull17 » Oct 22, 2013 - 06:30 PM PST
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lamar said he wants to be a flaker. cool! Smile

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408697by ClipperKyle32 » Oct 23, 2013 - 11:29 PM PST
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NOW EVERYBODY IS FINALLY SEEING WHEN I SAID LAMAR IS A WAY BETTER OPTION THAN MULLENS OR AMUNDSON OR HOLLINs! Adn Doc could use Lamar so much better than Vinny could

                
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Post ID: 408773by toohipcliptoslip » Oct 24, 2013 - 02:09 AM PST
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Agree. I'd take him back. If we get rid of Lou. Why would he want to be a Laker. He wouldn't find playing with Kobe pleasant unless he were the LO of old instead of the old Lamar. Why would the Lakers want him?

This is real sh*t if it's true because we took a chance with him

                
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Post ID: 408784by StrikeBack » Oct 24, 2013 - 12:05 PM PST
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He failed a drug test, wtf are you talking about?????

                
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Post Subject: RE: Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance? Post ID: 408785by ArtMaggot » Oct 24, 2013 - 12:11 PM PST
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Why would you bring a mental train wreck into the locker room, he should take a year off and get his life together. And we should not enable him by putting him on the roster, his Clipper days are over.

                
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