Would You Give Lamar Odom Another Chance?

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I don't think hiring someone with a recent hard core drug problem is ever justifiable.

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At this point, I'd bring him in. None of our back up bigs have looked good at all. For the min, Odom would be a low risk, high reward player.

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I guess I just can't wrap my head around the idea that hiring a crackhead is a low risk high reward proposition lol

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Crackhead or not, with the backup bigs we have now...yes, lol. But I think if things don't work out with what we have something can be done down the line. No hurry.

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Agreed. At this point, bringing on Lamar would be a sign of total desperation on Doc's part. We're not there yet. We haven't even seen our actual regular season rotations yet due to all of the injuries on top of Doc wanting to give everybody on the bench a lot of burn. Hopefully the Lakers pick Lamar up soon so this is no longer even a remote possibility for us.

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After 5 games of Amundson, Mullens etc hell yes. Even while actively smoking crack during last season Odom was better. Really bummed he pulled the,BS this summer.

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Addiction to hard core drugs is a very tricky business so even if he has been clean for a while I would be very very cautious in hiring him. So essentially no. But we could do with him frankly.

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No, keep the KK curse away from the jumbotron.

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Brandon Davies will soon be equal or better than 2011-2013 Lamar (if we don't cut him).

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Even crackhead Odom is better than some of our bigs.

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Crack is the most addictive drug I've eve seen. People get hooked after one took. It takes a lot to get addicted to heroin. It's odd. Usually people with money use powdered cocaine. they can get 100% pure. Rock is an inner city drug. Does he have heart problems? What is his physical condition? How are his lungs? Does he have a support system? (His fans)

If he is clean I'd think about it. He needs to be active and very public about his drug use. Forget 12 Step. It most likely doesn't work. Will give numbers on request.

Pryzbilla is old. Let's get BRAD MILLER and large amounts of Geritol. Gooden gives us scoring and some boards.

Getting LO is not an act of desperation. It's a calculated risk.

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From the sounds of that video above he has been playing ball high for a long time. Though surely they drug test in the NBA.

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I would cool it with the Crackhead word. None of us know what actually went down to this day so there's no reason to be so judgemental. And even if he's done coccaine, that hardly makes him a crack head. There's a difference between coccaine and freebase, not saying either is acceptable, but one is significantly worse & more dangerous and people are throwing the word around like they were there watching him do it. Hop off your high horse please, everyone has demons, don't judge someone because they sin differently than you. If its purely about team liability I get it, that's fair, but no need to get personal & make fun of a dude battling his demons which may or may not be what we think they are.

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We really don't have any inside presence. If we hit open shots we're nasty but "Live by the jump shot die by the jump shot" Against Memphis who do we use? There is nobody on the bench and champions are not jump shooters. Can we cut Amundsen and Wayans and go over the cap if necessary? Can we package Hollins with a Thanksgiving turkey a menorah and a Hanukkah bush? This should cover all bases.

Question for my Jewish brethren. Is the Hanukkah Man coming now or in December? Thanksgiving latkes and applesauce? (If so I'll convert)

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Any team willing to take on Lamar Odom right now is desperate and anything but calculating. That's why I bet he ends up with the Lakers. Remember, hardly anyone was even willing to take a risk on him last season, and that's before his crack addiction came out! He's done. Finished. Over.

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DocHollywood, did Lamar date your little sister or something? You really hate this guy!

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Yeah, I'm a Kardashian lol. And no, I don't hate him at all- I feel terribly sorry for him in fact. He's been through a lot in the past few years and I am not at all surprised with the news of his drug problem. When does a sixth man of the year just suddenly lose nearly all of his ability to play basketball? I just respond maybe with a bit of excessive forcefulness when I hear people trying to rationalize our team acquiring a player who was not at all good last year and that we now believe has a serious drug problem!

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He wasn't good last year because he was making $8 mil, for the minimum, he filled a necessary role. I think your more disappointed with him because u know his potential than his actually play because he was a serviceable backup big last year, just way overpaid.

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Agreed. Lets show some respect to a really nice guy.

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I'm not being judgmental. I've worked with hundreds of crack addicts. Crack aka rock is cocaine aka free base. It is smoked so the brain gets a blast of it. With powered cocaine even 100% pure you don't get the blast. It's the difference between a nicotine patch and a cigarette. Shooting heroin vs "Chasing the dragon". You don't have to have demons to use crack. You just have to try it. I know people who tried it and didn't know what is was. They were told it was just coke WRONG.They were told "Just try it once. don't believe the press" There is no psychological, sociological or any other "ological" that matters. It's brain chemistry. You seem a reasonable guy. If you were to smoke crack all day for one day it's almost 100% you would be addicted and sell your car in a month. I've seen it too many times. This is simply the truth. There is a difference between judgment and discernment. I don't judge a person for being a crack head or say he isn't worthy of respect but I wouldn't invite him to my home. It's not a sin. It's a bad choice.

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I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Does that information on drugs mean you know for a fact what he's done and its okay to call him a crackhead? I'm not following...

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I appreciate the rep!

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I appreciate your point.

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I see where you're coming from uncool. For vets minimum, a player with Lamar's abilities from last season would normally be a no brainer. It comes down to how each of us as individuals perceives a truly serious drug problem. For instance, I personally could understand a team picking up Michael Beasley for close to the minimum even though he has a weed habit. Some here would surely be against that. Crack is a much more serious addiction and I would never even consider a player with such a problem. Every situation like this is open to interpretation and there is no absolute right answer.

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That's fair, I don't care much either way, I just think he's a good person & deserves more respect than he gets, having the terrible childhood he had. I also saw Rob Kardashian at the mall a couple months ago & he was nice enough to talk to me about Lamar for a while, I won't give details but I'm a little more sympathetic to his situation.

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I really don't think you are more or less sympathetic than I am towards Lamar. We are likely equal in this regard. To think otherwise is cynical. I just happen to fall at the opposite end of the spectrum concerning the signing of him to the Clippers. Just cause I feel sorry for Lamar doesn't mean I'm obligated to offer him a job. I wish I could be the one to convince him to check into inpatient rehab.

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I didn't say "more sympathetic than you" I said "more sympathetic" as in more than I would have been if I hadn't talked to his brother-in-law. Cynical? Calm down bruh!

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Alright. I based my response as much off of the entirety of your previous posts as I did off the last one.....peace.....and settle down Mike Smith lol

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@uncool

Here's what I mean. I don't do politically correct. Your view may change if you've seen crack babies. A crack head is someone who's strung out on crack a junkie is strung out on heroin an alcoholic is strung out on booze (we won't talk about LAL fans). That's the report we got. To a certain extent because of libel we have good reason to believe it. I think we know what he did.

He has neither committed a sin or done something morally wrong. I never said that I judged him as a bad person. He made a bad choice, a choice many of us including me could have made. That's all. He didn't know what he was getting into. His brain chemistry then was altered because of the drug enhancing his reward centers. Crack and "chasing the dragon" and cigarettes are probably the worst. I didn't even say he was stupid. Does he deserve compassion and caring YES. but he's still an addict.

He may steal your mother's jewelry if he weren't rich. As I said this could happen to anyone. Cocaine causes mental problems even when there were none prior to its use. Would you bet this team's season on an addict? Not a moral judgment.

Usually realizing you are a crack head, junkie, tweaker and have hit bottom helps with recovery.

Smoking crack can cause "crack lung" you can get heart problems as well. This has to be considered. Also once your brain chemistry has been altered it's EXTREMELY difficult to revert to normal.

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I really don't know what we're talking about here but alright bro, you win the contest of crack knowledge.

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It's not that we shouldn't have sympathy for his past problems (or current ones), but there are many, many people who have endured similar suffering and have become inspirational figures instead of wallowing in self-pity. Lamar had the added benefit of making more than enough money to seek out the help he needs.

Plenty of people have to battle personal tragedy and addiction while still surrounded by the situation that made it so easy for them to slip in the first place. I have much more sympathy for the guy who has to take the bus to his minimum wage job just to pay the rent on his single-room slum apartment and has nothing to do in the evening but watch the dealers on the corner 10-feet from his window because he can't even afford cable or internet.

I can truly understand the temptation to say "f*ck it" and score a rock in that situation - but when you can hang out at Passages Malibu for a couple of months to cleanse yourself for less than you make in a week and come home to your mansion to a mailbox full of invitations to red-carpet events and be surrounded by guys who barely even drink a glass of wine with dinner - you actively have to seek out a way to get high.

Money itself doesn't cure anything... but it gives you the means to put yourself in the best situation to succeed in your rehabilitation and buys good lawyers that keep you out of jail, preventing you from screwing up your life even further. At some point, the traumatized individual has to step up and WANT to fix their situation.

Lamar was welcomed with open arms into the tightest, most family-oriented organization in the league last year and surrounded by exemplary characters who still encouraged him when he didn't quite live up to expectations. The Clippers did their part. I don't blame the organization at all for steering clear of him now.

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If he gets himself right and shows good work ethic and works hard. That's a lot of if's right now.

Crap, maybe Drew Gooden is even a better option than the current guys since at the least he does rebound well, won't foul out immediately and despite no 3PT shooting he can hit long jump shots. But then he'll have to learn the whole system.

Edit: no, I just can't say Gooden is more acceptable, Gooden's defense is just too bad, lol

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Cleepers that's 100 percent true. Also don't forget ALL of his teammates tried to call him constantly this summer and couldn't reach him and got no returned calls. So did Ralph Lawler and others in the organization. Guess how many calls Odom returned? ZERO.

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Lamar does not deserve another chance. He was originally let go by the Clippers during his first stint here due to testing positive for Marijuana if I'm not mistaken. We then got him again last year when Dallas and the rest of the league didn't want to touch him. He chose to risk his job and family for his own self gratification. I wish him well but if he needs a new start we should not be the team to have to risk capital in him yet again.

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If people have to watch Mullins play this year there just might be a lot more Clipper fans smoking crack, LOL.

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@pageC4 Lamar wasn't let go because of pot. Sterling dismantled the team for financial reasons.

If any of you are not offended by crass foulmouthed racist humor check out Richard Pryor's skit about setting himself on fire while smoking crack (he did)

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@pageC4 Lamar wasn't let go because of pot. Sterling dismantled the team for financial reasons. If any of you are not offended by crass foulmouthed racist humor check out Richard Pryor's skit about setting himself on fire while smoking crack (he did)
Yeah just checked out an article by ESPN. You're right. He was actually not resigned because the team wanted Elton Brand, so the money was offered to him rather than resigning Odom. Still the fact remains that Odom was using drugs even during his first stint as a Clipper. The writer of this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=alipour/061102 says that Odom....

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The problem isn't smoking pot. I don't think they do drug tests. I would bet that a lot of players smoke pot but they're cool about it. Lamar was probably smoking in public or doing something indiscreet. Like on the steps of the campus police .They weren't around 24/7. Young and STUPID. Lamar also had a wrist injury that kept him out for a while.

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The guy at this point needs to clear his head and get sober. If he's dead sober and in tip top shape come say, February time, then maybe give him a look. Otherwise I'd just say goodbye.

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I agree, that is a good sensible approach.

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Crap, I accidentally clicked "Yes". There should be one more "No" up there haha.

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I voted no. Lamar has lost so much focus the past couple of years, it would be insane and disruptive to bring him back at this point. He needs help more than anything else. Who really know if he's sober, clean, and mentally fit and not depressed. Lamar would need to show some serious improvement in his health to even be considered. His personal life with Khloe seems in shambles. The Clippers don't need this mess.

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Marijuana is a minor offense. But if you do test positive for it its a problem in the NBA. I'm sure they have some kind of substance abuse policy, and the players need to abide it.

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That's kinda my point. I dont' think the league cares if you smoke pot at home or discretely with friends. I think he was public and indescreete which is worse than the pot.

Anyway if you're playing stoned it may be better because the ball goes through the hoop slower and you can correct your mistakes. You will also learn to improve your off hand dribble since you will have a pack of Reese Cups in your dominant hand.

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lamar said he wants to be a flaker. cool! Smile

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NOW EVERYBODY IS FINALLY SEEING WHEN I SAID LAMAR IS A WAY BETTER OPTION THAN MULLENS OR AMUNDSON OR HOLLINs! Adn Doc could use Lamar so much better than Vinny could

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Agree. I'd take him back. If we get rid of Lou. Why would he want to be a Laker. He wouldn't find playing with Kobe pleasant unless he were the LO of old instead of the old Lamar. Why would the Lakers want him?

This is real sh*t if it's true because we took a chance with him

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He failed a drug test, wtf are you talking about?????

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Why would you bring a mental train wreck into the locker room, he should take a year off and get his life together.

And we should not enable him by putting him on the roster, his Clipper days are over.

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