What Happened to Blake Griffin As a Rebounder? (P. 3)

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MartyKahn
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Showed up? He's suppose to be a superstar and could not take Nicholson or whrever his name was 1 on 1. Passed to Deandre with like 5 secs on the shot clock. Dude is trash. I don't get how anyone can defend him. Its frustrating how he hasn't taken a jump to get better. He looks horrible offensively. His shot fell tonight, but his release was all over the place. Still can't be depended on to hit fts.

I'm also yired of watching players his age pass him by. Since his rookie yr, Steph Curry and Harden have left him in the dust. Now Paul George is leaving him in the dust. All that talent and he can't take a smaller defender 1on1.

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You for sure aren't a Clippers fan! You want to know the different between all those people you said! They have the ball in their hands a lot! Blake doesn't dribble up the court and shoot a 3 like all three of them! So you comparing Blake to a bunch of guards is absolutely ridiculous! Blake goes 23 and 13 and you say all that crazy crap! Hahaha you are deranged saying he isn't a superstar

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so you have to defend Blake Griffin sucking and not improving or you're not a real fan? Noted.

They aren't better players than Kevin Love, but every player I named is a better player than Blake. It has nothing to do with them having the ball. They help their team in the 4th qtr. He hit that one J and disappeared. Did nothing.

And that kid on Orlando may be better than him now. Vucevic(SP?).

Blake had another player where he had Maxil 1on1 in space and bricked a Jumper instead of trying to get to the rim. He has the lowest BBall IQ of any Superstar in the league. It's to the point where its not even fun to watch him play. He needs to be traded

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5 games into the season, and you're already demanding Blake be traded? Seriously?

Blake's game is entirely different from Curry's or George's, so to compare them is irresponsible.

I know this whole board is knee-jerk to the max, but can we at least get a to near the trade deadline before figuring out if anyone needs to get traded?

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It's not irresponsible at all. THey're NBA players. WHo care if they don't play the same position. THey all impact the gm more than Blake does now. Blake doesn't dominate any phase of the game. Nothing. And his post game has zero improvements. ZERO.

It's 5 gms, but you can see he still is the same player, and in some ways, he's a worse player. He's rookie yr, he gave way more effort. Especially on the offensive glass. He was a rebounding beast. Now, he just looks slow and disinterested at times. Almost lazy.

That player where he was iso;d on Maxil and decided to just brick a Jumper was just sad.

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James Harden, Steph Curry, Paul George are bonafied superstars that are THE option for their team. They have the ball for the majority of the game they are in. Cp3 is the Clippers equivalent player. He had that pedigree before he came here.

As far as Blake and Love....To be honest i haven not seen Love much this year so...but he essentially seems to me the same player as last year from what i saw.

Kevin Love does what he does best. He can shoot the ball, but is he better defensively than Blake? Better passer, aside from his baseball pass (or whatever is called)? Better help defender? Does he command double teams?

Vicevic...Vucevic(however you spell it) is a different type of a player. He is a shooter, think European big man nowadays. He is long and can rebound. He is their primary re-bounder.

Blake battles DJ for rebounds. He can get better defensively and his outside shoot is improving.

Blake has maybe 4 weeks with Doc. I say we give him more time before we trade the guy.

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Okay Lets get down to the numbers!

Blake Griffin tonight had 23 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assist, 2 blocks, 1 steal , and 1 turnover

Kevin Love tonight had 25 points, 16 rebounds, 6 assist, 0 Blocks, 1 steal, and 3 turnovers

The difference between these numbers? Kevin Love is "THE GUY" in Minnesota!

"THE GUY" in LA is Chris Paul! Blake is a superstar, no doubt about it! The scary thing is he hasn't even peaked to be as good as he can be!

Kevin Love = Peaked

Kevin Love has expanded his game that he has nothing left! You know he will rebound and shoot the 3

Blake isn't even close to being as great as he can be! He is having all these great numbers in a new system that he is learning!

There is a difference between every star you pointed out! They are all "THE GUY" of their franchise! Blake was before Chris arrived, averaging 23 points, 12 rebounds, and 4 assist! Superstar stats! Chris comes in and his stats go down! It was gonna happen! Dwayne Wade for instance! Dwayne was "THE GUY" before LeBron! LeBron comes in and D-Wade's stats go down! Kevin Love is a completely different scenario! He is "THE GUY" in Minnesota!

So I assume every Star as soon as their stats go down the first 5 freaking games of the season they are ready to be traded! You , my friend, are hilarious! You have no argument! And again you are breaking down 1 bad play and saying he is a terrible player! Sounds like Charles Barkley to me!

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Wait, so you're telling me that point guards (who are usually the primary ball handlers on most teams and the ones who have benefited the most from NBA rule changes) impact their teams more? Duh. Blake's game simply can't be compared under the vague definition of "impact" to someone like Paul George. They impact the game in entirely different ways. Unless you think Blake should be hoisting up three pointers like Reddick?

Of course he gave more effort in his rookie years. He was the guy that the Clippers needed every single night to show up or they lost. With the arrival of CP3 and other competent players, a lot of that need has been taken off his shoulders. I will agree his post game needs a lot of work, but that's hardly justification for the "TRADE HIM NOW" talk. Let Doc Rivers work on him for at least this season before we start talking about how hopeless a case he is.

As for his jumper, you're probably among the crowd that was demanding Blake work on his jumpshot in his rookie year when he was just going to the basket constantly. You're the type of person that will never be satisfied with Blake, no matter what he does. If he goes to the hoop more, you'll criticize him for being reckless and out of control. If he does mostly perimeter shots, you'll be like you are now. Heck, if he mixes it up, I'm sure you'll be arguing one way or another that he's let the team down.

Goodness, we've become as bad as Lakers fans in here.

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Did you watch the games? No player in the NBA makes 100% awesome plays. Blakes jumper was money tonight. He even hit one in a critical time.

To say he hasn't gotten better flat out isn't true.

To say he doesn't impact the game isn't true.

To say he isn't a rebounding beast isn't true. He is still a beast, but now so is deandre so he is sharing rebounds.

Blake is going to have the best year of his career impact wise this year. He has made some awesome moves in the post this year, especially against the warriors.

All this blake hate is truly uncalled for.

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Yeah it's kinda absurd to bring up Curry and Harden. Other than the obvious difference in position, he's still a better overall defender than Curry, Harden and Love. Those guys do what they do well. Curry and ridiculous shooter who can pass the ball, but turns the ball over at an alarming rate. If his shot isn't working, what else can he really do? We saw what happens when Harden has an off night. Virtually nothing.

If Blake's shot isn't going in? He can still drive to the basket. He can still run the court. He can still pass. He can still hustle. He can still set screens. He can still make an impact.

Love can be counted upon night after night to score points and rebound. In those categories, he is absolutely the best PF in the game. Unfortunately, he's quite possibly the worst PF in the league on the defensive end. I've seen it with my own two eyes. He is far more interested in getting into rebounding position than defending. And, oh yeah, if his shot's not going? He's useless other than rebounding.

Paul George? Well, I can't say anything negative against that guy. He's damn good in the SF position. But Blake ain't a SF.

Inevitably when we lose, these Blake haters will continue to hate.

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Curry's turnovers so far aren't the norm though. His turnover rate last season was fine, and Curry still commands defensive attention and creates plays if he isn't scoring. He isn't a one dimensional player.

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We have the best rebounding front court in the league. That's how it's supposed to be.

Voyeur
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I love the way Blake's attacking the boards. Last 4 games, Blake is averaging 12 rebounds, along with 22 points on 57% shooting, 1 block and 1 steal.

The interesting thing is it seems like the better Blake does, the worse we look. Not so much with rebounding, but with points. When he's around 18-20 points we win convincingly because everyone's getting into the act. When he has to score more than that, it's like everyone else is struggling. Weird. I'm sure we'll figure it out.

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Is there a stat that shows how many picks a player sets in a game? I can almost guarantee Blake is at the top of that list. That's gotta take so much energy out of him. Although he's pretty great at it, I would like to see him slipping more and not absolving so many blows during a 38 minute period.

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I think Blake's numbers go up when everyone is struggling, not the other way around. I believe he sees himself as more of a role-player than a lead player, but he will produce when no one else is. That seems to me after all these years to be the truth. but then again, we have smashed on teams with blake getting in the lower 30's with points, so idk.

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Well I hope he continues the direction he's been going so far this season. He's started out well so far. Sure there are always improvements, but his FG% is excellent right now. His jumper is going. He's scoring in the 4th and he's grabbing rebounds like he did a couple of years ago. Keep it up, BG!

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He is a role player. His role is being a star Very Happy

MartyKahn
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Anyone see what Anthony Davis did to Pau and co? There goes another player that has leaped past Blake.

I just don't get why the Clips don't hire a big man coach.

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Agreed, I don't know if he read this and started rebounding, or if doc said something (likely the latter), but Blake is starting to show up. While I'd like him to be more of a creator, he isn't our problem and I'm just nitpicking. Our problem right now is Dudley and Redick not playing transition D. Also, Dudley has been terrible on D in general and with creating.

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Well Davis was ahead of Blake defensively from the get go with his length, timing and defensive instincts, and his shooting was better too. Davis scores similar to a Marion, he isn't doing anything in the post, he's running the floor, off ball, offensive rebounds, pick and pop jumpers, and face-up action.

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CP and BG were supposed to be the second coming of Malone Stockton. As I said in another post he was being touted as one of the best PF's ever. Right now I don't think so.This year SO FAR and the season is young he's allstar material and that's all. Let's not compare him to Love

In their best years

Barkley 22ppg 10 reb

Malone 28+ ppg. 11 boards.

This is what he's supposed to do

Both meaner that snakes. This is what he's being paid for. I don't put Timmy here because he's different

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Malone was the man, but he was also more muscle than athleticism. Barkley played no defense and neither does Love. It's kinda relative. The guys you mentioned scored with more versatility and grabbed slightly more boards. But Blake plays harder D than Love and Barkley was notorious for no D. Blake hustles more, and is a better ball handler.

It depends on what's more important to the team.

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The game is changed a bit too. There's no big man in the league doing 25+ PPG except for the one that shoots three's (Love) and in recent history we've only had the other 3PT shooting / perimeter big man (Dirk) and Amare putting up such lofty scoring numbers.

Also Clippers have too many options for Blake to be scoring 28 PPG.

Blake right now is doing 22/11/3 and dominating the defensive glass

If were talking about just scoring, Barkley put up 28 as his best season, but it was also on a 36-46 team.

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Barkley wasn't a good defender but its not like Blake is a stud in that regard either. Its not really a matter of what's more important to the team. I would take Barkley 10 times out of 10. Unstoppable scorer(this is a guy who has multiple 25+ ppg seasons on ~66TS%), ridiculous rebounder and btw he is arguably a better playmaker than Blake. However, its not fair to compare Blake to top 5 PFs all time so lets calm down with these comparisons. Its disrespectful to Blake and the greats.

Its not really saying much to say you would take a peak Barkley or Malone over Blake. They would probably be top 3 players in today's game.

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The interesting thing is nobody remembers Barkley from the 76ers years. I remember. He was a stat sheet stuffer and had some decent guys around him, but didn't really have an elite team. He whined like a biatch and requested trade. So he went to a team with ridiculous talent (Phoenix) and came close but still didn't win. So you can take Barkley all you want.

No Blake's not a "stud" on D per se. I said he played "harder" on D and that does make a difference.

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Blake would be dumb to set his sights on being as good as Malone or Barkley. He needs to aim for Tim Duncan status. Go Tim or Go Home!

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THIS. great post CnC.

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In my mind Duncan is, has been and always will be a center. He used to post up but now shoots those midrange bankers. Defensively he plays like a rim protecting center.

I think BG will be a different animal from all those guys.

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Not to mention blake hasn't even reached is peak yet. IMO Blakes only problem is he

is too damn soft. Period. He needs a killer instinct.

His softness got exposed when chalmers threw that elbow to his throat. You

don't let that slide. I don't care about no technical. Your going to lose

the game anyway.

But he should have made a statement to the league.

Play dirty and you get f'ed up. Period.

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But how does retaliating and acting tough actually make him better as a player?

Fighting doesn't make you tough, it makes you dumb and an easy target for refs.

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There is NO DOUBT in my mind that if he went after Chalmers the pundits would be all about how he'll go after a small guard but not Zach Randolph, etc.

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Yep, it's already happened before with Chalmers.

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Have you ever played any physical sport IE Basketball, Boxing, Football, etc...?

It's hard to explain to the average man, but there is a mindset and psychology behind physical sports when competing with other men.

In physical sports rule #1 you never let your opponent punk you. You can never back down, or you lose the mental battle.

It doesn't mean you explode and get "Angry", but you stand up and let them know your not going to get away with any crap.

It's actually a metaphor for life...

Again it's hard to explain to the Average man, but if you play physical competition you know exactly what I'm talking about.

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There's also true strength in not falling for that crap. I'm not a believer in fake toughness. As a vet myself (and in honor of Veterans Day?), I'll cite examples of a couple of members of my family.

One member was in the military but never saw action. He's all about talking tough and coveting his guns and taking pro war stances.

The other member was an airborne soldier who actually fought in a jungle during WWII. He was always a quiet soul, didn't have a huge collection of guns. Didn't brag about stuff...hardly ever talked at all about his experiences.

No doubt which one of those guys is tougher in reality.

My point is you have fake tough guys who talk crap, who take cheap shots or get in your face as long as teammates are there to support them and pull them away. Then you have guys who take the hits and keep coming. Guys who see what the other guy is doing and won't stoop down to that level. He stands back up, dusts himself off, and takes care of the real business.

I see Blake as that second guy.

Having said that, he should have punched Z Bo in his eye when he had his hand on Blake's throat.

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Case in point: Matt Barnes

Now almost anything Barnes does is a flagrant because of reputation. It has no value to winning to do this macho stuff that fans seem to be obsessed with. This is basketball, not fighting.

I've played competitively in a lot of sports, I don't fight people I make them look like idiots trying to start fights in sports and having little control of their emotions. It's FAR more "manly" to have good control of your emotions and to not be a loose cannon.

If someone elbows me in the throat, yea I'll tell them "watch that and don't do it again", but I'm not going to start shoving people and acting like I'm interested in fighting over basketball.

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DeMarcus Cousins retaliates and shows how "tough" he is all the time, but it's on the scouting report that you need to mess with him because he WILL retaliate and either get an ejection or a tech. Why do you think players are constantly hitting him in the nuts, talking trash, and treating him like a child?

You think players back down if a guy is known as a retaliatory? Lol, quite the opposite my friend. How often do people try to mess with Timmy or Dirk. Ummm I'm going to say never.

It's a cute theory though. To think players in the National Basketball Association are afraid of someone. If I had to guess I'd say you'd never played a team sport...or was the guy who got retaliated on, and backed down and now think that's how everybody is. Nope sorry, that's not how it is for grown men.

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Voyeur, repped for a great post and also for being a veteran

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Hey thanks! No biggie. I kinda miss those days....

...except for all the running!

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lol, are you an above average man or something?

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Blake and Timmy are totally different. You can't compare them. In days of yore somebody would have clocked Chalmers but you can't do that anymore. I mean really clocked. BG has to be dominant in the paint and be able to score at will like a Kobe. If he doesn't who will? Malone was more than muscle. You can't do a simple Pick and roll and make it a work of art with muscle only BUT

when Malone drove to the hoop he often lead with his knee.

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^

But Malone's muscle was very important for his deep positioning down low. The Mailman was about more than that otherwise, granted.

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Malone was a lot of face-up and pick and pop jumpshots too though

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingShoo ... PerPage=25

Blake is 11/28 from 16-inside 3PT line, 39.3%, which is not too bad at all. He's 2/11 form the left wing side. Sample size of course, but hopefully he can get it to the mid 40's.

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That would be ideal but he doesn't have Tim Duncan's physical tools so he can't be an elite defensive anchor. He should aim for Barkley with better D.

Voyeur. Barkley had virtually no help on the Sixers. Hardly his fault that he did poorly. Even making the playoffs with that turdtastic team was an accomplishment. That is like blaming CP3 for barely making the playoffs in 09 with a mediocre Hornets team. It doesn't matter how good you are if you have a bad team. Jordan himself never made it past the first round without Pippen. As of right now Blake is simply not at peak Barkley's level but that may change in time if he keeps improving.

Barkley is a top 20ish player all time so its not really an insult to say BG is worse and I hate Barkley and think he is an idiot.

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I wouldn't compare "Acting tough" to not letting someone elbow you in the throat.

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The Sixers were definitely not as bad as you suggest.

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Then prove otherwise. The Sixers had a good roster during Barkley's rookie year. They had Dr. J and Moses Malone but they were getting old and already on decline. Who exactly did Barkley have on his team during his best years on the Sixers? Maurice Cheeks? Gee what a great 2nd star to have. Then after Cheeks left who did he have? Cheeks may have been an multiple All star but he really wasn't 2nd best player on a contender material. He was a tertiary player at best.

Keep in mind this was also in an era when the East was the stronger conference. Now its the other way around.

Anyway I don't care for these comparisons. Its too early to make these type of comparisons when it comes to Blake.

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Hersey Hawkins was a damn good player who scored about 18-20 points if I recall and actually did a fairly good job defending the likes of even Michael Jordan. Solid support from Rick Mahorn who even Shaq says gave him a hard time. They had a couple of others.

Point is he surrounded himself with a ridiculously great team around him in Phoenix and still failed. At least he should have made the Finals more than once...I mean if he's so great...and on such a great team.

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This 22pt gm vs Hou was probably the best Blake has played. He took it to the best post defender in the league and actually was aggressive in the 4th qtr.

Usually he would let those early blocks and misses completely take him out of the gm.

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Hawkins was a one time all star.... Barkley's window of title contention was three seasons from 93-95. In 93 he loss to MJ in the Finals. In 94-95 he loss to the eventual champions against the great Hakeem Olajuwon.

After that he tried to form a superteam in Houston but Barkley, Hakeem, and Drexler were a shell of their former selves at that point and loss to a very very good Jazz team. I would also hardly call his Phoenix team ridiculous. It looks tame compared to Bird's Celtics, Magic's Lakers and even Jordan's 2nd three peat Bulls.

Anyway none of this matters unless you are suggesting Blake Griffin would do better in his place.... I am not going to argue about this anymore its too off topic.

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Dude, that's actually good to hear, so am I. I was in the Army for four years (quite a while ago now). What branch were you in BTW?

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