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    Post subject: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!!!!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:05 PM PST
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    Call me premature, or getting ahead of myself........but with the lack of a bench or depth, I am not sure if the CLIPPERS can make it in the play offs. But I am not sold about Dallas either.
    Looking at the West, this is how I see it.........

    1)LAKERS - Should they have all players reporting to duty, they'll be at the 1 spot from the beginning. This team feels that they are destined.

    2)NEW ORLEANS- Poise to make another run with the same team intact and reasy to do more damage. This team is no longer a sleeper, but CP# is the real deal.

    3)UTAH- Just another successful season- Yay

    4)HOUSTON- This team could've been something different with Yao in the lineup. Now they know what they have, and they know how to play. If they can keep it together, they'll make some noise in the West.

    5)SAN ANTONIO- This team is a year older, but with all that veteranship, they still know how to get it done, but they are on their last leg.

    6)PHOENIX- To many questions, but the talent overshadows that turmoil and 100's of questions that will face the Suns this year. They are no fountain of youth!

    7)DALLAS- They are still a good team, but Kidd, their age, and their coach will keep them at the 7 spot. Not even a EURO can save or lift this team. It's gonna get ugly, and the trade will come back to haunt them.

    T8)PORTLAND- So much young talent, so much depth! With ROY at the helm, a versatile ALDRIDGE, not to mention an unproven ODEN, and numerous young players that have tremendous upside........There is no where to go but UP with this team. They will give the contenders fits, and they are here to stay.

    T8)CLIPPERS- With the addition of Baron Davis, his outside game will open up the inside game for Elton & Kaman. With the versatility and agility of Thornton that replaces Maggette, the CLIPS will be in the mix to make a run, but with the lack of depth and an aging bench, they may be a tad short to get over the hump. Barring injuires, the CLIPS will be poised to make some noise.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!!!!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:12 PM PST
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    How can u say that? We do not got Davis yet plus he has helped Golden State make the playoffs almost 2 times. Plus he can score, penetrate, play good defense he's got what a Point Guard has. Don't say they are not going to make the playoffs because they are you got to stay positive but not negative. We did good in the draft and good role players so nothin can go wrong.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!!!!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:14 PM PST
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    Besides Davis would like to play in LA because that is his hometown and I think that Davis will provide em consistent leadership.
     
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    Post subject: Re: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!!!!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:18 PM PST
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    [quote="clipperfan714"]Call me premature, or getting ahead of myself........but with the lack of a bench or depth, I am not sure if the CLIPPERS can make it in the play offs. But I am not sold about Dallas either.
    Looking at the West, this is how I see it.........


    A little premature to say the least.

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    1)LAKERS - Should they have all players reporting to duty, they'll be at the 1 spot from the beginning. This team feels that they are destined.



    I don't see that at all. Turiaf & Sasha are not a lock. Odom is up in the air right now. Gasol & Bynum haven't played together yet. Play-off team for sure but not at the number one spot.

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    2)NEW ORLEANS- Poise to make another run with the same team intact and reasy to do more damage. This team is no longer a sleeper, but CP# is the real deal.

    Here's your number one spot.

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    3)UTAH- Just another successful season- Yay


    expect a better season from these guys.
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    4)HOUSTON- This team could've been something different with Yao in the lineup. Now they know what they have, and they know how to play. If they can keep it together, they'll make some noise in the West.


    Not sure about Houston. Yao & Mac don't play well together. They are always hurt and have yet to get out of the first round. It seems the team gets better when one of them is hurt.
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    5)SAN ANTONIO- This team is a year older, but with all that veteranship, they still know how to get it done, but they are on their last leg.


    Agree. I will hold out my opinion on this team.

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    6)PHOENIX- To many questions, but the talent overshadows that turmoil and 100's of questions that will face the Suns this year. They are no fountain of youth!


    A lot older and maybe their time has past them up.

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    7)DALLAS- They are still a good team, but Kidd, their age, and their coach will keep them at the 7 spot. Not even a EURO can save or lift this team. It's gonna get ugly, and the trade will come back to haunt them.


    I agree...big question mark.


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    T8)PORTLAND- So much young talent, so much depth! With ROY at the helm, a versatile ALDRIDGE, not to mention an unproven ODEN, and numerous young players that have tremendous upside........There is no where to go but UP with this team. They will give the contenders fits, and they are here to stay.

    Play-off bound for sure.

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    T8)CLIPPERS- With the addition of Baron Davis, his outside game will open up the inside game for Elton & Kaman. With the versatility and agility of Thornton that replaces Maggette, the CLIPS will be in the mix to make a run, but with the lack of depth and an aging bench, they may be a tad short to get over the hump. Barring injuires, the CLIPS will be poised to make some noise.


    If we get Baron then I can see us sneaking up on Houston, Phoenix & Dallas.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:27 PM PST
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    like I said before I believe Davis can help us get our backcourt stronger because we need it. We will do well in setting the tempo and making fastbreaks. Davis is a definition as a true point guard in the NBA as concern we might lose games but that's part of the game. Teamwork and support of our fans is how we name it and maybe we will be in the mix of the Celtics and Spurs if we do make a run at Davis. Plus do not forget about the practice facility that will be huge for us too.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:38 PM PST
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    YEAH, GIVE ME SOME FIRE CLIPPER FANS--------------Glad I could fire you guys up.

    I need you guys at STAPLES with me more often !!!!!
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:38 PM PST
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    Well, although I agree he's a bit premature in his calculations (because I think Dallas and Phoenix are not gonna make the playoffs)...What he's talking about is concern for our bench. I agree that it's a bit shallow, but as long as we can sign 1 or 2 players (for mid-level or min-level) that can step in and play right away, we should be alright. Knight can hold his own with passing and ball-handling. Mike Taylor may be able to play more minutes than Knight even (we'll have to see). Cuttino is getting old, yes, which is why signing Azibuike would be perfect. If we can re-sign Ross, that would work...because if we get Davis and keep Brand, we arent gonna need Ross to score hardly at all. Just lock down defenders, thats all. Perfect. Up front we have enough players, it's just that they are not quite as pictured. I think Powell and Thomas can split rare minutes under Elton Brand and provide alternate styles of play at PF. Fazekas and hopefully a healthy Paul Davis or good DeAndre Jordan can help Kaman. Again, remember Elton and Kaman dont need a ton of rest (but it would sure be nice to get them some quality backups).

    So in summary: yes there is concern, espeically with our injury luck, but depth is something that has to be fixed after a starting lineup is put together. Complete the backcourt to pair with our frontcourt and then work on a solid bench. In a way, we're all premature because we think Baron will be here, but if he does sign, I EXPECT the Clippers to at least make the playoffs. How well our bench plays will determine how far we go in the playoffs, but I think Dallas and Phoenix are gonna struggle big-time this year.

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    Post subject: RE: Re: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 06:43 PM PST
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    I think Thomas minutes need to be cut that's all he's not considered as a team player
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: Even with Davis, CLIPPERS won't make the playoffs !!  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 07:03 PM PST
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    Getting Davis is huge, if it does actually happen. It's huge. To bring home the UCLA product and pair him with Brand would be huge. They would be able to sign role players much easier with a line up of Davis, Mobley, Thornton, Brand, and Kaman. If they get Davis I will have to renew my season seats!!!!!!!!
     
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    I agree w/ JLemm ... the bench needs improvement no matter which FA we get. All great teams have had good benches. Pietrus could be a good bench addition if we can't hold on to Corey (good D and need a vet backing up Thornton) ... MLE could get him. Azubuike as well, much less D but more O.

    Folks, the reality is we'll probably have to keep Cat and Tim. Their contracts are almost untradeable (heck, if you guys don't want them, why would another GM?). So we need to build the bench around them.

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    the MLE will give us some more depth, hopefully we can sign a nice player. Azubuike would be a great pickup.
     
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    I agree that it would be difficult. But we do have a couple of bright spots. We have the mid level, have an alright bench old but some people should not be forced to play as much as they did the last 2 seasons.(TT) We have a young 2 guard who can already shoot the nba three if open. Young superstar 3 that can play the lane and has a developing jump shot. Then a 4 and 5 that have actually played together and get along. Adding davis to that would up our starting 5 to at least 75-80 points a game. Then we should only ask for about 20-25 from our bench. Thats a good starting 5. BDIDDY could make life alot easier for gordon. Our defense should go right back to how it was in 05-06. im actually thinking i wont have to get my money back for my season seats. Lets go.

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    Post subject: Baron Davis gives them a good chance at playoffs...  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 07:26 PM PST
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    Assuming they sign Baron Davis...which in my opinion is 50/50 at best, I think they are not only a playoff team, but will be going for a home court first round as well. This is also pending the health of both Baron and Elton, but if healthy, the following rotation, in my opinion, can compete with anyone. They should also go after another ex-Bruin Matt Barnes as backup support:

    PG: Baron Davis, Brevin Knight, Dan Dickau
    SG: Eric Gordon, Cuttino Mobley
    SF: Al Thornton, Matt Barnes (or comparable)
    PF: Elton Brand, Tim Thomas
    C: Chris Kaman, DeAndre Jordan (could get crowd going with monster dunks)

    With this lineup, we might have two all stars (Davis and Brand) as well as a rookie of the year candidate.
     
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    Replace Dan Dickau with Mike Taylor....I like the Matt Barnes idea. Bonifide scorer...might want starter money...but if Baron comes here, he might take less to compete for a ring (something GS wont be doing soon).

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    ether wrote:
    I agree w/ JLemm ... the bench needs improvement no matter which FA we get. All great teams have had good benches. Pietrus could be a good bench addition if we can't hold on to Corey (good D and need a vet backing up Thornton) ... MLE could get him. Azubuike as well, much less D but more O.

    Folks, the reality is we'll probably have to keep Cat and Tim. Their contracts are almost untradeable (heck, if you guys don't want them, why would another GM?). So we need to build the bench around them.

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    slestack11 wrote:
    Assuming they sign Baron Davis...which in my opinion is 50/50 at best, I think they are not only a playoff team, but will be going for a home court first round as well. This is also pending the health of both Baron and Elton, but if healthy, the following rotation, in my opinion, can compete with anyone. They should also go after another ex-Bruin Matt Barnes as backup support:

    PG: Baron Davis, Brevin Knight, Dan Dickau
    SG: Eric Gordon, Cuttino Mobley
    SF: Al Thornton, Matt Barnes (or comparable)
    PF: Elton Brand, Tim Thomas
    C: Chris Kaman, DeAndre Jordan (could get crowd going with monster dunks)

    With this lineup, we might have two all stars (Davis and Brand) as well as a rookie of the year candidate.


    Gordon- Rookie of the year ??? That's a bit pre mature don't you think.
    I am known as the glass is half empty Clipper fan, who keeps everyone grounded and gets them fired up and at the same time will cause everyone to do a double take and scream at management.

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    Post subject: Re: RE: Baron Davis gives them a good chance at playoffs...  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 07:45 PM PST
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    jlemmen43 wrote:
    Replace Dan Dickau with Mike Taylor....I like the Matt Barnes idea. Bonifide scorer...might want starter money...but if Baron comes here, he might take less to compete for a ring (something GS wont be doing soon).


    The sad thing is that the Clippers had Matt Barnes for a few weeks, but didn't think he was worth keeping. Maybe Mike Dunleavy is the problem. He sucks the life out of good players.
     
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    Dickau, Smush are gone. We might see them in the D-League.
     
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    I beg to differ- with Baron Davis, if everyone stays healthy the Clippers will make the playoffs comfortably- make the playoffs AND do some major damage too. How deep into the playoffs we go will depend. We know what we'll get from Baron, EB, Kaman, and Mobley, so a lot of it will be up to Thornton's play (assuming we can't keep Maggette) and the play of Eric Gordon.
     
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    david wrote:
    I beg to differ- with Baron Davis, if everyone stays healthy the Clippers will make the playoffs comfortably- make the playoffs AND do some major damage too. How deep into the playoffs we go will depend. We know what we'll get from Baron, EB, Kaman, and Mobley, so a lot of it will be up to Thornton's play (assuming we can't keep Maggette) and the play of Eric Gordon.


    This team will still be young so it will be tough to go deep into the Western Conference playoffs. But making the second round is a definite possibility. If they can keep the foundation there, they can grow together and be a force in two or three years.

    I personally thought that Dickau played good when he got the chance and I'd rather have him than Brevin Knight. He was such a good player at Gonzaga, you'd think that all he needs is minutes.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Baron Davis gives them a good chance at  PostPosted: Jul 01, 2008 - 09:13 PM PST
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    ^^Yeah Dan did a solid job overall actually, but he had a tough time defending those quick point guards. I'm sure he'll find a spot somewhere in the league.
     
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