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ClipperKyle32
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Unless Byron shows something soon he needs to be benched and at-least play Ryan Hollins! This bench is horrid and 3 people havent even shown up to play! Darren , Matt, and Byron!!! Everyone else even....


CP3Heliflopter
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We will have to play DJ and BG 40 mpg due to our crappy bigs. Rivers really crapped the bed by getting dead weight like Mullen who is a homeless man's version of Bargnani. Bargnani is **** so having a homeless man's version would be....

The main thing is worthless backup bigs(seriously play Jamison already) and our bench underperforming due to injuries?

Overall instead of having an elite bench we arguably have one of the worst benches in the league right now. We fall behind almost every time the bench comes to play. Collison and Barnes will probably be fine in time but those backup bigs.... Hollins and Mullens are loss causes. They have been garbage their entire careers and they make DJ look like a basketball genius. Hopefully we can find suitable replacements. I wouldn't mind Hollins for 3rd string. Mullens can go play in D league or something.


TheThinkingSomething
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It looks like this bench is going to cost us a lot of wins unless something is done SOON. We can't wait for the trade deadline at this rate.


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Hollins is decent to me. Not great, but acceptable in few minutes. Not a terrible shooter and so so pick and roll defender. But we don�t need him to make shots. We need him to get stops.


CP3Heliflopter
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Decent enough to be 3rd string though he is foul prone but not 2nd. Last year we had Odom. Believe it or not statistically he was our best defender by far. He anchored our bench D and is 10x better than our backup bigs defensively. So sad. If only he didn't have the drug problems.


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Problem with lamar was his FT, his overall shooting and I remember him being too turnover happy sometimes. Defensively and with rebounding was ok.


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He was washed up on the offensive end but his defense and rebounding were far better than "ok". He was the best defender we had last season and Mullen sucks at offense anyway and Hollins can only dunk and shoot Fts. The point is he is miles better than both defensively. There is a reason why our bench last season was so great defensively. Bledsoe and a healthy Barnes were also part of the reason.


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Speaking of Odom, where is he? any news regarding his return to NBA. I know most of us probably will not want him here, but after seeing the bench defense at start of season, i would welcome him back with open arms.

He still would not have to do anything on O. Just play defense.

What other options are out there?


ClipperKyle32
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Here is the most recent thing on Lamar: How is Lamar Odom celebrating his 34th birthday? Khlo� Kardashian Odom's hubby stepped out for a B-day lunch with two pals at Casa Vega restaurant in L.A. earlier today,....


ClipperPostman
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True but our problem was not bench defense. We lost this game because no one besides crawford could score a point off the bench when it mattered most.

Mullens is a clank magnet. Hollins is actually decent 2nd string if he isn't committing silly fouls.


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Hollins only knows how to foul. That's it. Mullens, well, yeah. If you weren't so in love with Jamal maybe you'd accept that we desperately need a 3rd big. Or is Hollins your idea of a third big now? You can't mask a horrible bench frontcourt with a streaky shooting guard that doesn't play defense.


CLIPSET
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They should have included Scola in the Bledsoe deal


ClipperPostman
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How would have a 3rd big that played defense and rebound helped us tonight? Without crawfords scoring the bench would have almost 0 points... Help me understand.


Voyeur
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Not sure much would have helped tonight. But the bench is embarrassing right now. It's no wonder guys were missing shots in the 4th when they've been playing 40 minutes.


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A 3rd big would have played more than eleven minutes on 0/5 shooting with 2 turnovers. He also would have grabbed more than ZERO rebounds. A 3rd big will be a consistent scoring threat as will Willie Green once we start having Alvin Gentry run his system with the bench players instead of everyone just standing around watching Jamal iso.


ClipsGForce
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I'm sorry guys, but I trust BJ Mullens than Hollins. Hollins is so thin and kind of short for a center and so foul prone.


Phu7
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It would be nice if Mullens started making 33% of his 3s. Something has to be up with Collison. Ryan Hollins, yikes. Barnes is the key though, need to get him healthy. I would like to see more Willie and Reggie.


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A third big would also prevent Griffin and Jordan from playing 40 and 43 minutes, respectively, on the first night of a road back to back. A third big would also help prevent some random Orlando bench players from waltzing into the lane for easy layups.


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When teams start losing momentum and wins and realize they aren't playoff caliber, a lot of big men may become available.


Silasie
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This thread is mis-named. What production????

How did we manage to go from the best bench in the league to the worst? I suppose one of the problem is that 2 of the good bench players are presently tanking- Barnes and Collison, but they should be fine. I think Doc should play Jamison a bit to give the bench a bit more offense. I know Doc is treating these early games as an extended pre-season but he can't let the experiment go on too long cos it will have a detrimental effect on confidence. If he can manage to find a decent defensive rebounding big we can scrap Mullens and keep Hollins as 3rd stringer. Also if we have some defense in the back court it makes more sense playing the offense first Jamison.


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Exactly what I thought when I saw the title of this thread


CP3Best
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Yesterday's loss was all due to one of the biggest stupid mistakes by DOc Rivers. Middle of an awesome run and he just HAS TO PUT MULLENS IN! WTF A MILLION TIMES. THe lead would've kept going in the third WTF is he doing putting bricker in? Someone explain that to me!


CP3Heliflopter
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Acquiring Mullens was a huge mistake by Doc. I was really low on him and unfortunately he was everything I thought he would be. In fact, he was even worse! Sorry I try to like every guy who plays on the Clippers. I actually do like everyone EXCEPT Mullens. Just looking at him infuriates me for some reason and I hate watching him play. He is so dumb on both ends of the floor ugh. Just a frustrating player to watch and no offense but he has a very punchable face.

EVEN AMUNDSON is more useful than Mullens. Mullens is a waste of space offensively and defensively. He can't shoot for crap or finish for crap and even a tree stump is more useful than him defensively.


TheThinkingSomething
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Even so, until then our bench will cost us games, and likely playoff seeding.


A_DOG_NAMED_BUD
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As frustrating as the bench has been to watch, I still have faith in most of them. I know Barnes and Collison will eventually pick up their play. Barnes was great for us last season and Collison did a decent job as a starter last season so there's no reason he can't be a very serviceable back up. Once Doc finally decides to play Jamison, he'll be a solid forward off the pine. Crawford rarely has a bad scoring game. Now all we need to do is find a better center than Mullens/Hollins. Let's trade the both of them and maybe even a draft pick for Okafor. We need that big defensive big man who grab some boards and put in a few points as well.


CP3Heliflopter
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I have faith in Collison, Barnes, and Crawford. Mullens and Hollins are a big problem however. I don't trust either of them at all and for good reason especially Mullens.

Okafor would be great but the chances of us getting him aren't that great and if we get him will he be healthy? I wonder about that. Also by the time we get him we would have played a lot of games already which influences our seeding. Right now I would even be happy with someone like Turiaf over Mullens.


tense2
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So far not so good as if anyone didn't really know, lol:

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fa ... iffeff/1-1


seanrooks
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The explanation is what everyone here has been talking about: lack of a backup big man. It's not really Doc's fault he played Mullens there. Jordan and Griffin needed to rest at some point--both played over 40 minutes last night. So yeah, the problem is that whenever either one of those guys have to rest we're going to struggle some because our backup bigs suck.


Silasie
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Agreed. It is as simple as that.


06clippersfan
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Our bench is HORRIBLE!!!

We will be SERIOUS contenders WHEN Doc decides to play Jamison over Mullens and we get a better big at the center position. I honestly think we can't contend for a championship until we get a defensive minded big man on our bench.

The bench is going to continue to lose games for us until we get a better big man.


seanrooks
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I got news for you, Jamison is no better than Mullens or Hollins. He may be slightly better offensively, but considering what he gives up on defense and on the glass, he really shouldn't ever get any time.


Markojaric
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I respect Seanrooks a lot, but Doc is the VP of the organization, and has some responsibility in the making of the roster.

With that said. I�d trade Bullock for a backup center, not Crawford. Other players are non assets, and we have very few picks to give them. And don�t want to end like the Lakers.


Dunkathon
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Can't we not trade Bullock for a couple years because he's a rookie and all?


tense2
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I wouldn't because:

  1. Don't want to give up good young controllable talent

  2. Won't get much in return due to his contract.

3 Jamal more of an asset ($) to get someone who is more productive.


CP3Heliflopter
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Honestly looking at how Mullens played this season and in general.... Jamison is better than him on both ends of the floor. Of course I don't want him as my primary backup big but he is better than Mullens. He is not the answer we are looking for but he is better than Mullens/nothing.


TheThinkingSomething
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Although I wouldn't disagree that Jamison is more skilled than Mullens on both ends of the floor, having Jamison guard Centers would be a bad idea.


CP3Heliflopter
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We don't have to put him at the C spot and its situational. If the other team is playing small ball we should give him some minutes or we can play him with DJ on the floor when BG is on the bench, etc. Loads of possibilities.

Anyway we need a legit backup C badly.


Agent0
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Bullock has potential as a upper level 3/D player, it might be quite inadvisable to trade him as he potentially is a very good fit for this team.


Markojaric
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I love Bullock. But if you were a GM and the clippers are trading with you, you�d want: the bench spark (Craw) , the kid (Reggie) or a starter (and maybe Barnes or Collison). Not the garbage.


tense2
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Yes, give them the 33 year old Crawford....but ONLY for equal or better talent.


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Then again: what team does have a big to dispose and NEED a guy like Crawford, who is 33?

And even in that case, Jamal is playing masterfully to me.


tense2
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We'll see during the trade deadline. Things change fast.


Icecoldclipper
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This team does not have the consistent firepower to lose Crawford. With Dudley, DC, and Barnes as unknown on how much they score we can't afford any drop off.


Markojaric
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Indeed. And the schedule is not easy at the beginning. I�d say like a 10-6 start would not surprise me. Better things will come as season unfolds.


DocHollywood
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Jamals scoring in no way outweighs the enormous overall positive impact a good big man who scores and plays defense will have. TRUTH. Our 8 man rotation will be the starters plus Collison, Barnes, and our 3rd big.


DocHollywood
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Dudley, Barnes, and Collison are all seasoned vets whose skills are well understood. They all have averaged double digits in scoring. We really will survive without Jamal once all three of these guys inevitably starts playing like we know they can. Adding the 3rd big will make a HUGE difference offensively and defensively, making everyone on the floor look better.


CapsNClips
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Who are some decent big men FA's available? Maybe Johan Petro? He's probably better than Hollins


clippermitch
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This bench is garbage! We lost the energy and hustle off the bench when we traded Bledsoe and let Turiaf walk.

Bledsoe was also out best perimeter defender and second best ball handler behind CP. I like Collison but his game hasn't been showing up. He had a good preseason but that was against scrubs.

If I were Doc, I'd give Bullock a hard look and see if he can produce. He's a better shooter and defender than Willie.

We can't even think about trading Jamal away for a back up big if we end up losing our backup SG who can create his own shot.

We have a roster spot, Wayns who's injured, Jamison who hasn't played a second, and Hollins who is barely playing. That's 4 spots doing nothing for us. Time to look elsewhere and shore up the bench. CP, Blake, and DJ can't play 40 mins a game and expect to stay fresh and healthy come playoff time.


Clippersfan86
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The starting line up has averaged an offensive rating of 116 and defensive rating of 98.6, which is a pretty dominant combination. So like I expected.. most of our woes= bench.


REDUCE523
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They don't even have a name. I don't know why that bothers me so much.


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