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Post Subject: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412728by clipper*joe » Nov 09, 2013 - 09:01 AM PST
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By NOEY KUPCHAN Posted Nov 08 2013 2:01PM

While the Los Angeles Clippers beat the Houston Rockets behind an offensive outpouring earlier this week, things haven't gone their way since.

Hoping to avoid a third consecutive loss, the visiting Clippers try to continue their recent success against the Rockets on Saturday night.

J.J. Redick scored 26 points and Chris Paul added 23 and 17 assists as Los Angeles (3-3) beat Houston 137-118 on Monday, posting its highest point total since March 2009. The Clippers shot a season-high 52.1 percent and scored 27 points off 16 turnovers.

"We couldn't get a handle on them at all," Rockets coach Kevin McHale said. "They did whatever they wanted. ... We've got them on Saturday, so we will see them again. It was one of those nights where they had it really rolling, and we couldn't find a rhythm defensively at all."

Los Angeles has had Houston's number of late, taking six of seven in the series while averaging 108.3 points.

"They've got a really potent offense," Rockets forward Chandler Parsons said. "They can hurt you inside, they can hurt you outside, and it's tough to stop both, especially when they're making shots.

"We just can't let them be comfortable. We've got to make them make tough shots."

Los Angeles, though, has struggled on its three-game road trip. One night after falling 98-90 to Orlando, the Clippers suffered a 102-97 defeat to Miami on Thursday.

Blake Griffin had 27 points and 14 rebounds, but Los Angeles allowed the Heat to shoot 53.5 percent.

"It's about coming out, running our game plan ... and sticking to our principles and not scattering," Griffin told the team's official website. "There's a learning curve.

"We'll play against teams that have been together for a long time, you know. The Heat, the Spurs, Oklahoma City, Golden State, they all have an advantage on us. They've had a year or two or more of playing their system and learning their system. We're always going to be a step behind that. But we can make up for that, especially on the defensive end with intensity and doing the little things."

Paul has posted a double-double in every game and had 11 points and 12 assists against the Heat, but he shot 3 of 11 and committed five turnovers.

"That's another thing that is on me," said Paul, averaging 22.5 points and 12.5 assists. "We have to go to Blake more. Like I said, I'll do better. Tonight it was me. I have to give Blake more touches and get the ball out of my hands."

Houston (4-2) has dropped two of three after Thursday's heartbreaking 99-98 loss to the Lakers. James Harden had 35 points, but the Rockets gave up the go-ahead 3-pointer with 1.3 seconds left.

Facing his former team, Dwight Howard went 5 of 16 from the free-throw line and missed seven late foul shots. The Lakers fouled him intentionally down the stretch.

"Every loss hurts," Howard said. "Nobody likes to lose. It's very upsetting that we lost the way we did. ... There are a lot of things we need to work on."

Howard wasn't the only Rockets players to struggle from the line, as Houston went 33 of 52.

"He's going to be in a lot of games," McHale said of Howard, a career 57.6 percent foul shooter. "He made a couple. We're just going to have to make some free throws. It wasn't just Dwight tonight. ... We didn't shoot free throws very well and that doesn't help the cause."

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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412729by Silasie » Nov 09, 2013 - 09:08 AM PST
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We need a win for confidence sake, it will also be good to have Houston be 2 up on Houston.

                
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Post ID: 412731by pageC4 » Nov 09, 2013 - 09:15 AM PST
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I am definitely not going to watch this one. After 12 years of being a fan you get very emotional, and when the Clippers play like they have been recently its very hard to watch. This team really needs to get it together.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412734by sz123456 » Nov 09, 2013 - 10:16 AM PST
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If we win, instills a lot of confidence against a potential playoff foe, if we lose we're officially under the radar which might be good for us. Win/win situation I think

                
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Post ID: 412736by Silasie » Nov 09, 2013 - 10:46 AM PST
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Your definitely a cup half full man I see! Smile

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412738by Voyeur » Nov 09, 2013 - 10:52 AM PST
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I'm going into this game without expectations. Both team coming off losses. But this is in Houston and they will look for payback. I expect Harden to have a big game. Hopefully, he'll still play terrible defense, but who knows?

What I'm hoping is that we continue to execute our motion offense. And I'm hoping to see an improved defense overall...despite whatever the outcome may be.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412739by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 10:59 AM PST
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He's played terrible defense all season so far, so I wouldn't expect any less

Harden really is an awful defender

                
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Post ID: 412740by Silasie » Nov 09, 2013 - 11:01 AM PST
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Well lets hope JJ and JCross make them pay then..............if he's on them that is.

                
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Post ID: 412752by ClipperPostman » Nov 09, 2013 - 12:46 PM PST
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Getting it together is what they are doing.

I don't understand why the analysts and fans are expecting the clippers to come in guns blazing when they have a lot of new players, an entirely new defensive AND offensive system, and new coaching staff from the top down.

When the big 3 got together in Miami that first year, the first 30 games of the season were up and down and everyone was calling them a bust.

I remember the coach in an interview said look, "We know it's going to take time to get it all together, our timetable is much different than everyone elses.

So I just don't understand how Clippers fans expect the clippers to all of a sudden in 6 games be the top team in the league. Give it 30 or so games. It's an 82 game season for christ sake.

I guarantee you come playoff time, there won't be one team wanting to see us in the first 2 rounds.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412763by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 01:50 PM PST
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There are always over-reactions to the beginning of the season, every single year. That's why it is always great to have broader perspective. The Clippers have a schedule for the first 20 games that coming out 11-9 in would be a pretty decent result, 12-8 would be good, 13-7 would be very good, anything above would be extremely good based on the opponents.

So if people are expecting the team to be winning at a .700 rate to start, the expectations are unrealistic. I'd rather have this tougher start because this is a talented team that could have had some misconceptions that things won't be too challenging. Not that they think it will be easy, I doubt they do, but they might think "we are ____ good" and certain things should go smoothly. I don't want it to go smoothly, I want struggles that force this team to grow, "challenge and change". I want struggles that forces the management to say "hey our roster isn't where it needs to be yet". I want struggles that make the players say "hey, I need to take it up a notch", and that's what will make this team a good team in the post-season.

I want those struggles early so that the team isn't trying to adjust its style later on when there just isn't enough time for that.

If you gave me the schedule for the first 6 games before the season I would probably say: @LAL - W vs GS - (50/50 W-L) @Sac - W vs Hou - W @Orl - W @Mia - L

So I would predict 4-2 or 5-1 cause I'm a Clippers fan, so 1-2 losses off. The actual record is 3-3. I would not have predicted the Orlando loss, but I wouldn't have assumed Orlando would be the 4th ranked defense 6 games into the season and holding teams to the second lowest eFG% at .419 (only Indiana is better at .411) in a league where the average is .490 and the Clippers give up a terrible .541 eFG%.

You look at the next 14 games (* = second game of back to back) and just do a bit of prediction: @ Hou (4-2) - L vs Min (4-2) - W vs OKC (4-1) - W vs Bkn (2-3) - W vs Mem (2-3) - W @ Min (4-2) - L *@ OKC (4-1) - L vs Sac (1-4) - W *vs Chi (2-3) - W vs NY (2-3) - W @Sac (1-4) - W vs Ind (6-0) - L @Atl (2-3) - W * @Mem (2-3) - L

Let's say 9-5 is a pretty balanced outcome (8-6 is also quite reasonable, Brooklyn or Chicago could be a loss), that will put the team at 12-8 (.600, 49 win pace) 20 games into the season, some people might panic at being only 4 games above .500, but the rest of the 13 games in December 9-4 is a reasonable outcome, that's a 52 win pace (21-12, .636) by the end of December. January has some teams that maybe won't be too good down the road (Charlotte, Boston, Detroit, Charlotte again, Toronto, Milwaukee) you don't win all the ones that you should, but you also win some of the 60-40 ones (on the road vs another playoff team kind of game) and for that month, 12-4 is possible, and suddenly the team is 33-16 (.673), on pace for 55 wins.

February has some tough matchups, but again in March, a LOT of winnable games are there in those 15 games.

So that's why we have to understand the marathon nature of the season. The schedule is never balanced, so first of all we have to take that into account, and secondly early records are not determinant of long term outcome just because you've played so few teams.

                
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Post ID: 412791by toohipcliptoslip » Nov 09, 2013 - 03:25 PM PST
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These are also road loses

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412797by FightOnRon » Nov 09, 2013 - 05:38 PM PST
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I don't even know what to expect tonight,really have no handle on this team right now.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412799by Voyeur » Nov 09, 2013 - 05:50 PM PST
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Dudley's been checked out by doctor's and given a thumbs up to play. Doc will probably limit his minutes, however.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412800by FreaKeyy » Nov 09, 2013 - 06:00 PM PST
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We're not the only one who are having problems. I think Rockets are facing a much worse issue. Apparently Dwight is already complaining about the PGs. To make matters worse, he's not the only immature star they have, their other star James Harden is causing some team chemistry issues too. Look at this http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/this-weird-on-court-exchange-between-jam es-harden-and-jeremy-lin/

                
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Post ID: 412806by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:10 PM PST
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^Memphis is struggling, Chicago is struggling, Brooklyn is struggling if we're talking about 5-6 games in. Houston is having chemistry issues though, so I'd rather have losing some games we expected to win issues than chemistry issues for sure.

On the road on the second night of a back to back vs Miami, this isn't really a loss we can complain about unless we expect to win them all.

Orlando surprised people because of expectations, but a road loss against the league's 4th best defense while we could have won is not as bad as it seems.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412807by Clipper-Josh » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:19 PM PST
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Vladimir Radmonovic has more post game than Blake.....geeeeez

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412808by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:22 PM PST
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Dudley looking good using his dribble and pulling up for jumpshots. He's actually an excellent mid-range shooter from what I remember, that's a shot he can hit consistently

Dwight Howard is a guy Blake has zero advantage over in the post. He can't overpower him, he can't shoot over him, Dwight isn't slow where he can just blow by him off the dribble. He can just hope to use fakes and get him off his feet or something.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412809by pedroskinny » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:23 PM PST
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Griffin not afraid to hit some jumpers. I love it. On the other hand, he needs to be more aggressive. Asik is s**t.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412810by ClipperKyle32 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:24 PM PST
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Clippers look decent against a surprisingly dysfunctional Houston Team

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412811by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:24 PM PST
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Asik is actually an excellent defensive player, definitely far from being bad unless you're talking about shooting ability

The backup bigs are the guys Blake will need to take advantage of

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412812by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:27 PM PST
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Great adjustment by Blake to get Howard out of the way this time then score.

Like I said, this is the guy Blake needs to attack in the post

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412813by ClipperDodger1214 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:28 PM PST
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Nice to see Reggie get some early minutes. We need it tonight.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412815by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:31 PM PST
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Didn't even notice Reggie getting into the game

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412816by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:35 PM PST
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Paul really shouldn't have risked trying to get that pass, getting the second foul wasn't worth that, even though he would probably sit either way

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412817by ClipperDodger1214 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:36 PM PST
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Why are they just chucking shots up?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412818by Agent0 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:36 PM PST
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Lol @ Mullens defense on that pick and roll

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412819by FightOnRon » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:37 PM PST
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Ya know,I guess our team is pretty bad right now. Sux

                
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Glad to see Bullock getting minutes at an important time in the game

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412821by CP3Heliflopter » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:38 PM PST
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Our bench is incredibly craptastic....

                
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Post ID: 412822by FightOnRon » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:38 PM PST
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Or not

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412823by pedroskinny » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:38 PM PST
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That bench though.. No defense or offense at all

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412824by ClipperDodger1214 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:38 PM PST
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That quarter couldn't have ended any worse. They need it to get it together.

                
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Really can't complain about Redick's first quarter play at all

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412826by ClipperKyle32 » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:38 PM PST
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I have had it with Mullens! I have never despised a player more when they are on the court than him

                
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2 things are pissing me off. The bench play...and the stupid streaming. It keeps freezing up.

                
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Just try to ignore his presence on the court unless you might hurt someone

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412829by CP3Heliflopter » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:40 PM PST
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If only we had last year's bench with this year's starters. We would be unstoppable. Collison looks like turd atm, Mullens is turd 90% of the time, Hollins is foul prone, Barnes is injured, Crawford is good offensively but he is almost as bad on D. Not looking good.

                
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CP3 chokes on the road seemingly every game vs good teams. Where is his aggression FFS? Is he uncoachable? Doesn't listen,to Vinny or Doc.

                
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Can't win with our best player playing like an amateur.

                
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Crawful.

                
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Our bench is killing us again.

                
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Crawford is absolutely terrible tonight.

                
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Clippers giving our haters a reason to smile.

                
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Jamal Crawful, Collison and Bullock trying to give the game away on both ends of the floor.

                
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Blown out like I expected. This is a first round exit team unless RADICAL changes happen.

                
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And to think we were one of 3 teams with the top 10 defense and offense last season.

                
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A ten point lead isn't a blow out.

Never the less, not looking good for the Clippers.

                
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Post ID: 412841by CP3Heliflopter » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:51 PM PST
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Which was misleading considering our defense collapsed later in the season into a below average defense. Also our defense in the playoffs was completely turdtastic. We made Memphis look like a great offensive team and they were shut down by OKC and Spurs offensively.

Right now our bench is really atrocious especially defensively while the defense our bench had last season was superb.

Our starting unit has like a defensive rating of 98 but our team defense rating is 110. That is how crappy our bench is defensively.

                
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I do not like how we give up on our team 7 games into the season! We are terrible fans! Obviously there will be a move made to find another backup big because Doc wouldn't have let Amundson and Davies go if he had nothing else in mind

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Vs. Rockets Official Game Thread 2013-11-09 Post ID: 412843by FreaKeyy » Nov 09, 2013 - 07:52 PM PST
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My gosh Blake is too passive.

                
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