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ClippersDA
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Ok so jj redick is awesome! He settled the starter debate within two seconds. Kudos to doc for making the right decisions. Even though I'm sure Crawford was bummed.

Akclipps
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Jj is mr first quarter and i think Jamal is more comfortable coming off the bench

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Crawford has no right to be bummed considering how awful he has been playing. Maybe if he played better as a starter....

ClipperPostman
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JJ did what he did all season pre-injury. Start hot as fire in the first half then disappear in the

second. Granted he didn't play much in the second half, but from the shots he did shoot the

trend looked like it was continuing.

I like the idea of the 1-2 punch. Crawford seems to suck in the first half, then get

hot in the second and can knock off 8-10 str8 points.

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Well, we need the 2 of the 1-2 punch to starting "punching" again, LOL. Man he's been in a slump for a while no matter how you spin it. Whew!

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Crawford has been sucking in every quarter lately.

Voyeur
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Just because JJ was missing shots in the 3rd quarter doesn't mean he "disappeared". Fact is, he was still forcing dudes to chase after him (like BG was saying...even if he's missing shots, he's helping the team). He played defense. He drew a charge and he made some nice passes. Either way, it's better to start off hot than cold. We've been there, done that.

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I wonder if there are still people including Jamal himself that thinks Jamal should start.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I think with a healthy roster we are the best team in the league. Our offense is almost unstoppable, our defense is becoming tops in the league. Our coach is incredible.

I just really love our balance.

Clippersfan86
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Some people have no grace when proven wrong lol.

jarca
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Redick deserves the starter spot but still believe we need an athletic defender at the 2-3 position

Agent0
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Well that was a pretty successful return game, he might have set the bad too high there, lol. Now anything mediocre is a bad game after that one

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I'm really excited that JJ looked like he never missed a beat. I was a little bit worried that his wrist injury would affect his shot, but he proved me wrong last night. We're going to need his scoring with no CP3 for a few weeks.

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@JCrossover: "@isfanr: @JCrossover which one you like? Starter role or 6th man role?"--on this team? 6th man role. Gives us balance.

Jamal says he likes being the 6th man on the Clippers rather than start

ClippersDA
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I think he knows the writing is on the wall. Doc doesn't see him as a starter. Glad he isn't whining about it.

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This is kind of what I was hoping for. Maybe Bullock can develop into that guy, but just for overall team balance, the team still needs a high level wing defender. Well, the best they can afford.

Barnes has been average to above average defensively through his career, and a good athlete, but he's never been that high level type defender. Dudley we know can do a lot of things system wise, and generally has balanced out as average, but he isn't a shut down guy or high level defender, or really athletic.

I still remain in the thought that I would have liked to get Aminu, but that's fine.

For next season, maybe it will be possible to get a guy like a Marvin Williams for cheaper, or even Aminu who is only on a one year. Williams certainly wouldn't be making as much, and is probably a $3-4M guy, but it wouldn't make sense without moving Barnes to go get another SF, especially making that much money. The team would be paying like $12M for SF's in that scenario, might as well try to trade for a Thaddeus Young (as if it is that easy) making like $9M, try him at SF and get a $3M backup.

I guess we'll see how they figure things out to continue to balance the roster.

ClipperPostman
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This definitely isn't true. He has put together some nice

streaks. But when he is cold it looks so awful that it overshadows

his 8 straight points and getting hot in the clutch like

vs the Mavs for the win. And even vs spurs to get us within striking distance.

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Although bullock can be a solid defender he isn't really athletic.

I feel the only thing we are missing is a guy like aminu, an atheltic

defender who can also slash to the rim.

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Agree, Barnes is an above average defender. However, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to say that he's now become a liability on offense. Only if we can combine Dudley's shot selection on offense and Barnes defense, we 'll be set on the SF spot. Lol

I don't think Aminu nor Williams will command more than 3 mil. I dunno our cap situation if we 'll have mini MLE of 2.5 next year but it's a high possibility those two will go very cheap. Reason why? The stigma of being a draft bust will be on their resume along with being a 4-5 options on a terrible team

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The thing is that that 8 strait points was necessary because he's been chucking up 20 shots a game and only making in the 30s for percentage. If he had shot 50%....that's four extra baskets based on 20 attempts, that's 8 points, almost 10 a game that are bouncing off the iron for some forced one on one action. I'm not impressed with Crawford hitting 4 in a row, if his overall shooting is 7/20

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I was tempering my expectations. Expecting him to score around 12-13 on bad shooting, but this guy just proved how remarkable he is. To just come back on the court and take over the way he did. Man, out of all the contenders that could have had him we lucked out and nabbed him.

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I think athleticism at the wing is overrated? At least for our team. I mean, I don't think we need anyone more athletic than Barnes or Bullock (or JJ, for that matter in the SG position). As long as they play solid on defense, keep their feet moving. A guy like JJ still manages to do things defensively like draw charges and cause jump ball situation just by his activity. I think JD, Barnes and Bullock would be capable of such things as well. On offense, JJ won't drive to the basket and jam on somebody, but he can still drive or cut to the basket better than anyone we've had in the SG position since EJ. Probably an underrated part of JJ's game. We know Jamal can do that. Even Willie showed some nice cuts occasionally last season. Other than Barnes, who probably hasn't done it enough, I can't say our other SF's can slash or cut to the basket. Meh, I'm just speculating here.

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Well if we get the right match up in the west like the spurs instead of the thunders, we might not need it. I was thinking more like against a possible match up against the heat or the pacers. They're too big and athletic at the 2-3 spot. I still remember vividly how the TNT crew were making fun of Redick when he was trying to guard Wade.

A healthy OKC always give us problem and a healthy GSW. Barnes and Iguadala are too athletic and have more length than are current line up.

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No doubt about it, JJ had a tough time against Wade. I think anyone would have struggled against Wade in that game. It was obvious Wade chose our game to play with "something to prove". I like our chances against GS at least. JJ is historically a GS killer. So much so, Jackson joked that their win against Orlando recently wasn't a "revenge" game because JJ didn't play.

Speaking of defense. In that Lakers game there was a great example of JJ's great help defense. I think it was Sacre who had the ball and was about to score, it was JJ who rotated to Sacre and did a great job disrupting the first attempt. Sacre was able to collect himself and go back up for the shot, but was blocked by DJ. DJ gets the block, but JJ definitely gets credit on that play. It's one of those intangible things you won't see in a box score.

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Athleticism on the wing is far from overrated. Especially when you consider how often players blow by our wing players for an easy layup or dunk.

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Dudley was touted as having the higher BBALL IQ when the trade happened but Redick proved to be the smarter player. He's always spot on the rotation and his feet are always set to take the charge.

I am on the JJ bandwagon. Next staple center trip I'll buy his shirt lol. Dude needs some love from the fans

Voyeur
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That's true. Would have been nice to have someone switch on Wade in that Heat game. I almost felt badly for JJ. lol

Akclipps
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The thing i like about jj is he's constantly moving with or without the ball and that give a lot of space for our bigs.. But i also like how we can throw the ball to jamal for broken plays because he can get his shots up anytime. I wouldn't mind them being on the court in close games

Voyeur
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Hell yeah. Paul, Jamal and JJ can be downright deadly down the stretch. Paul we KNOW is our closer. Jamal is Mr 4th Quarter and, at least in Orlando, JJ was known for closing out games. A nice 3rd option. And the way Blake's playing in the 4th quarter these days...

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In terms of athleticism, it's not so much a guy who is some freak athlete. He could have a mediocre vertical which people usually equate with athletic ability, but more lateral quickness and really just defense. Maybe it is more accurate to say length and/or athleticism. So it could be like a Kirilenko who isn't jumping out of the gym, but he's very long, can move well laterally. Really, just someone who has some length and can move laterally and defend.

Voyeur, Barnes is fine, though he's been struggling a bit on offense. I think an athletic / long SF is more just for balance. I think to balance out Dudley's abilities, it would help. Barnes is not a bad athlete, but he's actually not long, he's got some of that Griffin arm length challenge. Also, we have to remember that he is not that young and at his best he was an above average defender, so we have to assume at some point he won't be as productive.

Yea, and Williams also has his previous injury to keep his price down.

If Barnes had Dudley's shooting and shot selection, and Dudley had more of Barnes quickness, they would definitely combine into a pretty nice utility player at SF, lol

Cap situation is not very friendly, but one of the SF's would have to go if one of those guys was brought in.

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Why would he be bummed? Some of you try and manufacture drama where there is none. Jamal didn't shoot well but defensively and passing the ball he has done very well well. Heck he averaged 18 ppg and didn't even shoot well but considering he is probably played harder on defense than he ever has in his nba career and I think its really taken a lot of off his legs so I doubt he is bummed

We need both ying(jj)and yang(Jc) to win the west but all things considered the defense with Jamal starting looking at he the numbers was even better than when JJ started. And the defense with Jamal and Darren starting was even better than that. SHOCKING !!!

Doc can see just like everyone else that JJ gets off to fast starts so he should start while Jamal has proven himself as a closer and so they both will finish games unless its a Durant or lebron at the sf slot

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Well the defense was getting better in general as the season went on...even WITH JJ starting. The last 4 games or so JJ started, you could see the improvement on defense. So it's got virtually nothing to do with Crawford...except that he worked hard to improve his own defensive play. I give him credit for that. But the overall point is taken. We need both guys in their element, playing at their best. I think both guys will settle down a bit and get back to being more comfortable in the roles they began the season with.

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I disagree with the notion of crawford as a closer. A lot of the time he seems to take out of control shots at the end of shot clocks. I know he scores a lot of points I. 4th, but I don't feel good when he is running the show.

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A little respect for Seerat Sohi and her intriguing blog on JJ and the team:

http://clipperblog.com/2014/01/14/does- ... m-nowhere/

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Crawford was actually at his best last season when he was catching and shooting and playing off Chris in crunch time.

He scored a lot of 4th quarter points because the team had a lot of blow outs where the starters would sit and he would play a lot of minutes. Those 4th quarter points weren't really related to games being close, but still, he has skills that can prove useful at times in close game situations.

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Crawford was top 3 in 4th quarter scoring last year...more impressive he led the league in 4th quarter +/-. Which is why I still don't get sitting him in favor of Chauncey in the 4th quarter of Game 5. Weird.

I think we'll see a lot of Paul, Jamal and JJ closing games.

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I don't know the stats concerning Jamal closing in close games but it can't denied that he can get a shot off pretty much any time he wants and he seems to make (as in hit) an awful lot of highly contested "bad" shots. At least he used too.

Voyeur
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Jamal was having one of his most efficient seasons EVER before JJ went down. I'm hopeful both players will get back to similar form soon.

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He was really great with his shooting.

http://www.82games.com/1213/CSORT11.HTM

He wasn't creating like other points in the game as he was assisted 75% of the time, but when you have CP on your team, that's fine. He shot 54.2% 3PT and 52.5% FG. That's effective play if I've ever seen it. He was still 11th in pts/48 in clutch (scoring rate in clutch).

Paul did dominate though.

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He started really hot last year and cooled off too. He's just a wildly streaky player.

He's best when you can pick your spots with him, because if he's not making his shots he's a terrible player because he's not good at anything else (like when he was completely destroyed by Tony Allen in the playoffs last year), but when he's hot really tough to stop.

If you're behind and nobody else is scoring he's great to have, but if you need to hold a lead, you'd probably want someone more consistent who plays better defense unless he's obviously on fire, then you just let him to do it. It's up to the coach to make good decisions with his usage.

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Very true. Its not really surprising he is streaky like that because his game is not based on sound fundementals which can be relied on but on wild talent, mad handles and crazy shot taking that when he is hot comes off. These are not things that are that reliable. When he takes shots from deep they are from really deep and it is easy to think "what are you doing" but if he is hot those rainbows keep going in. He is a streetball player that is so talented that he is in the NBA. He says that he has never practised his handles...........can that be true? A very unusual player that can be amazing and exasperating.

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I never said that the defensive improvement was because Jamal but we also didn't fall off a cliff defensively either which is what many claimed as the primary reason why Jamal shouldn't start even before JJ got hurt. It then became a reason as to why Willie should start over Jamal.

I'm just saying that when people try and point out that Crawfords been playing awful they seem to totally ignore the fact that he is more than held his own defensively and the way he was assisting the ball when CP first went down.

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He wasn't destroyed by Allen,Memphis had a great defensive game plan.

First The Grizzlies had the size to arm wrestle Blake for every board and post position then he got hurt on top of it.

Secondly they then focused all of their attention on CP but he is a future HOF player he is going to get his.

Thirdly Memphis would grab momentum early and then use our coaches substitution philosophy against us. By the time Jamal came into the game we were down and Memphis had a entire game plan dedicated to taking him out the game. We split up our 3 best offensive players and when one of them got hurt a great defensive team like Memphis pounced.

Its why as was mentioned earlier that starting Jamal over Chauncey was the right play because you get the good looks and match-ups you want right from the beginning of the game. We saw this the last few weeks as well when Doc inserted Jamal for Willie .

I always felt that we made few adjustments from regular season to postseason. Doc I just know is going to change that because he doesn't like to show his entire hand instead he will go months seeing how teams game plan his base sets with the plan to make his counters to those game plans in the postseason

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I agree. Crawford's played good defense. And, frankly, I felt he played under control despite struggling from the field.

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He scores a lot of points because he chucks the ball up more than anyone else most games....and at a low percentage. So in anther words he MISSES a lot. All those misses, those shot attempts, if distributed among better shooters would equal almost 10 more points a game for us, or in other words, his poor shooting and late number of shot attempts COSTS us almost 10 points a game

ClippersDA
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I always prefer ball movement. Nothing is more predictable than ISO sets with cp3 and Crawford.

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actually most games he doesn't shoot more than anyone else. It amazes me people watch thee games and still make these types of statements.

Who should get those shots? This is simple nba basketball and I explained this earlier in this season. Dudley is a very good shooter but he hardly ever even gets 20 points unless he is playing out of his mind. You know why because there is a limit to his talent that goes beyond a good fg%.

A person can shoot 50% from the field and 47% from three like Kyle Korver this year and still only get 8 shots per game and average 12 ppg. Why is it the coach won't take all the shots from the guys with lower percentages and just give those shots to Korver, right? If they give him 20 more shots he will make at least 10 more and would be leading the league in scoring .

That Is simply now how basketball works simply saying you will give Jamal shots to Jared and it will be instant production won't work because more shots don't equal more points.

Jamal is scorer who is a streaky shooter but don't get it twisted the best defender will almost always take Jamal because regardless of how many he misses or how many Dudley(example) makes .

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Though out his career Jamal has always taken more FGA's per game then the average SG. LT he shoots about 15% more. This year he's attempting +30% more then the average SG, all while being a below average shooter for his position in both FG and 3PT percentage. He is what he is.

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It depends on who is on the floor with him. I agree we can't simply let Jordan and Dudley shoot more and assume they will convert at the same rate, but if Paul, Redick and Griffin are out there, the team probably has adequate shot creators and a more opportunistic, higher efficiency scorer is probably better, but if Darius Morris, Ryan Hollins and Willie Green are on the floor a shot creator like Crawford has more value. It comes back to picking the right spots for him to do his thing and how a coach uses a guy like Crawford, he's a great to have around, but not necessarily the best guy to use in every situation.

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Picking when to shoot and from where has never been a problem for Jamal, LOL.

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Just realized JJ's going up against a former teammate in Monta Ellis tomorrow. He'll have his hands full with that guy. Another former teammate Vince Carter coming off the bench.

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