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Post ID: 415530by Silasie » Nov 20, 2013 - 11:54 AM PST
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CP just rockets that ball to JJ as soon as he gets free of his man, and JJ is getting good looks all day long. I love it!



                
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Post ID: 415534by Agent0 » Nov 20, 2013 - 12:11 PM PST
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Actually he played behind Hedo/Bogans, then Bogans/Mo Evans, then Courtney Lee played in front of him. Carter didn't even come until 09/10 and if they felt he was good enough, they could have played Carter at SF and started Redick at SG as Barnes and Pietrus were the SF's (wanted the defense though)

In 10/11, it was actually J-Rich (30 years old, 14/4/2 version) starting over him after Vince got traded 22 games in. So really he's only had two years with a player that we can say "oh, well that's why he was off the bench" with Vince and he wasn't going to start over Hedo or Hill who did most of the starting in 06/07, especially since he was a rookie.

J.J. was very smart in realizing that he couldn't come in and just be some crazy scorer. Some guys don't realize that early and don't adjust their games to suit them for the NBA and they are done after their rookie contracts. J.J. wasn't this good when he first entered the league, it took work and adjusting his style and role to become this player he is.

                
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Post ID: 415540by Amnesty_David_Stern » Nov 20, 2013 - 12:55 PM PST
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I love Redick, I think he really came into his own the last couple years in Orlando and his brief stint in Milwaukee. He really opens the floor and isn't a terrible ball handler. Problem is, our defense is really weak. I would have liked to have gotten something a bit different in that Bledsoe trade, we basically traded away our 2nd best defender ( and at times our best ) to get 2 guys who spread the floor and shoot 3PTers.

I'm not saying we trade anyone or anything, but I'd like our team to consider an option of a more defensive oriented player who can play the 2 or the 3. Orlando loves draft picks, maybe we can ship them a future pick for Moe Harkless or something. A guy like that, average quality player who can play some better D because we are going to get pummeled in the playoffs with this suspect defense.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 415889by ClipsGForce » Nov 21, 2013 - 02:43 AM PST
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I know this is Redick thread, but it would be more fitting if we also discuss how lucky we got for having Jamal Crawford. Seeing him making so many tough shot, especially in the clutch make him so valuable.

                
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Post ID: 415890by DocHollywood » Nov 21, 2013 - 03:24 AM PST
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No offense, but I literally cannot think of a less fitting thing to discuss in a JJ Redick appreciation thread.

                
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Post ID: 415892by Silasie » Nov 21, 2013 - 06:05 AM PST
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Maybe start a JCross thread???????

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 415898by dukenilnil » Nov 21, 2013 - 08:11 AM PST
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I love JJ, but, perhaps we should change the title of the threat to "JJ Redick is Special for Us - In the 1st Quarter". I kid.

The dude is pure money for us in the 1st quarter. Still solid the rest of the game.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 415905by Silasie » Nov 21, 2013 - 09:33 AM PST
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Didn't Caron use to be a 1st quarter guy for us? I don't think at the same level as JJ though.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 415912by Voyeur » Nov 21, 2013 - 10:34 AM PST
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He'll show up later in games. It's not like hot shooting 1st quarters was something he was known for in the past. This is a little different for him, but he'll adjust.

Last year his numbers by quarter (not sure how much of this was affected by his trade to Milwaukee):

1st: 85-182, 47% FG 34-89, 38% 3 FG

2nd: 126-287, 44% FG 52-131, 40% 3 FG

3rd: 77-166, 46% FG 34-83, 41% 3 FG

4th: 96-251, 38% FG 46-149, 31% 3 FG

OT: 9-19, 47% FG 3-11, 31% 3 FG

While I'm at it, closing quarters:

<3 min: 135-299, 45% 62-171, 36% 3

3-6 min: 86-217, 40% 35-116, 30% 3

>6 min: 172-389, 44% 72-176, 41% 3

I think what strikes me about these stats is how many 2 point shots are taken by him. You almost forget that he finds other ways to score. We know he shot about 36% from 3 last year shooting 169-463. From 2 point range, he shot 224-442 for 51% from the field.

Having said all that, it looks like he's had some of his worst games coming off back to back, so I don't have high hopes for his personal numbers tonight. lol

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Post ID: 416130by ClipperPostman » Nov 21, 2013 - 09:38 PM PST
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Lol don't start Smile

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 416183by Voyeur » Nov 22, 2013 - 10:53 AM PST
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Get some rest, JJ. We need you out of you slump but fast!

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 416321by ClipSince7thGrade » Nov 23, 2013 - 02:28 PM PST
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JJ Redick, I think should be a long term piece here. He works amazingly well with the team and I love the way he and CP3 work off of each other.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 417022by austin009009 » Nov 25, 2013 - 06:47 PM PST
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And he has a great feeling of where the ball is and how to get to his favorite spots

                
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Post ID: 417025by tense2 » Nov 25, 2013 - 07:26 PM PST
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See how it all ends up. 4 years is pretty long term especially when he'll be 33 at the end of his contract.

                
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Post ID: 419414by jackfrost » Dec 08, 2013 - 01:35 AM PST
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As they say.. shooting is the last go. As long as CP3's there to pass the rock, he'll still catch-and-shoot at an acceptable clip.

                
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Post ID: 419420by toohipcliptoslip » Dec 08, 2013 - 02:40 AM PST
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SACRILEGE

Before you faint into apoplectic shock consider - are we better if CP were out and JJ were in instead of the reverse?

Jamal and Collison have been serviceable #1's and CP's shots aren't falling.

                
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Post ID: 419429by Silasie » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:13 AM PST
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Well first off that is definitley sacrilege but having said that you could have a point. With CP shooting as he is maybe it would be better to have JJ in instead of Chris. But as it's another "what if" scenario in the it doesn't really matter anyhow Wink

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 419442by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 11:13 AM PST
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That's a tough question. And I'm not saying that because I have Redick's pic on my profile. lol

His movement apparently means everything to our offense. Doc even said Redick is an offense all his own because of the movement he brings. The way Doc's system works relies on ball movement anyway so theoretically we don't necessarily need the best PG in the league to make it run. Having said that, Paul is having a career season so far under that same system. Paul is still the most clutch guy on the team so when the chips are down, I want him to have the ball. But with a healthy Redick, who has a high basketball IQ, a fiery demeanor, is a decent passer and low TO ratio, we are in a lot better shape should Paul go down with injury than we were last year.

                
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Post ID: 419492by Agent0 » Dec 08, 2013 - 03:41 PM PST
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Oh man if Collison and Jamal were actually manning the PG position all game for an extended period of time....oyyy

                
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Post ID: 419508by pageC4 » Dec 08, 2013 - 06:04 PM PST
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I'm actually glad people are now starting to notice this. Last year I posted a thread about my concern on Paul's shot, or lack thereof, of course instantly I was attacked and told that I was worrying over nothing. This year we have also had others voice concern about Paul's shooting and his almost apathetic approach on the offensive end, and finally it does like more people are catching on that this is beginning to be a problem.

                
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Post ID: 419513by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 08, 2013 - 07:00 PM PST
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Jameer Nelson was a serviceable #1 too look how well that turned out. No we would be significantly worse just like we were last season when Paul was out.

Thats like saying whether the Heat would be better with Ray Allen or Wade.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 420708by Voyeur » Dec 13, 2013 - 01:22 AM PST
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I totally get when folks say the loss of one player should not make such a huge difference. However, it's not just the loss of him. Fact is, we don't have a Small Forward right now. I never expected Dudley to actually make me MISS Caron Butler, but at least Butler had games where he started off hot. Barnes has been out too and he makes a difference for this team. At least when Redick was on the court, it seemed to make Dudley more effective than he is right now.

All by himself, JJ was just about the same overall offense that both our wings were TOGETHER last year. He's kind of that cagey veteran with a high BBall IQ and low turnover ratio we were hoping for with Chauncey, yet with the ability to start off hot and hit from the outside like Butler. You mix that with a guy that should nail open looks like Dudley...or a slasher like Barnes, that definitely helps Blake and CP3.

Maybe acquiring Jackson will help, I don't know. Since JJ went down, we are 3-4. Hopefully 4-4 after Saturday's game.

I figured Redick would be a great addition to the team. But even I didn't know how important he is. Hell, I think just having him on the sidelines cheering the team on would be helpful about now.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421110by ClipperKyle32 » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:06 PM PST
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@ramonashelburne: Some good news for Clippers. I hear JJ Reddick is ahead of schedule in his return from broken hand. Now targeting Jan. 15 return

                
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Post ID: 421114by Voyeur » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:17 PM PST
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Great news! I was hoping it would be sooner than later of the timeframe.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421115by Silasie » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:18 PM PST
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^

Good news. Can't wait to have him back. A big part of our offense. I think the silver lining to him being out is that maybe our offense depended on him too much. This period is forcing us to adjust.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421117by ClippersDA » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:22 PM PST
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So glad he is going to be back? That would be about six weeks total right? Not so bad. Any. Wes on bullock or barnes?

                
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Post ID: 421118by Voyeur » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:24 PM PST
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That's a good point. Although it was nice to see he and Blake made for a great 1-2 punch certain games, like against Houston and Brooklyn.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421120by ClippersDA » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:26 PM PST
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Any news on on bullock or barnes I mean.

                
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Post ID: 421124by clipper*joe » Dec 15, 2013 - 08:01 PM PST
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ClippersDA wrote:
Any news on on bullock or barnes I mean.

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Good win 2nite, Happy for coach Rivers.. Got cleared to workout 2nite, hope to return sometime next week! #Clips

https://twitter.com/Matt_Barnes22/statu ... 7706524672

This tweet was on the 11th. That means he's coming back this week.

                
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^ Great news also. About time we got Barnes back!

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421131by Kingkanyon » Dec 15, 2013 - 08:52 PM PST
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LOL to this whole topic, J.J has been good but he's had his fare share of misshapes. I hear allot of comments saying he plays hard on "D", that's all nice but I'd like him to play well on "D".

My Assessment of J.J"s Defense, solid on the perimeter but not fast enough to stay with speedy 2 guards and one's, a liability in the pain't.

But hey.. He plays hard, lol.

                
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Post ID: 421133by jarca » Dec 15, 2013 - 08:56 PM PST
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Don't rush your return. Be healthy

                
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Post ID: 421134by Voyeur » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:06 PM PST
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Scoff all you want, but the team's record and numbers with/without Redick speak for themselves.

                
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Post ID: 421136by Kingkanyon » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:29 PM PST
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Do you have those numbers, and do you even know the record?

Heck we were 29/30 in Defense when he went out and now were like 8th, so I'm not getting what you mean, watching them the offense has been bad because they're playing to slow, they're not getting any fast break buckets and in the half court there just going through the motions, sure they're missing 3's that Redick would hit, but still if they played like that with J.J. out there it would still be bad, and fools gold.

I'm not saying J.J hasn't been good for the team, he's been a perfect fit, but to call him special, witch implies he's irreplaceable, I don't believe that to be true, I'd rather have Arron Aflalo or Klay Thompson, I'm just saying lets calm down on J.J., He did get shut down in Miami and he was also locked up by Tony Alan.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421138by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:36 PM PST
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^Wrong The 29/30 on defense was due to Mullens being on the court and playing against elite offensive teams. Mullens was so bad that we were ranked 17th defensively without him even entering the court and our starters were ranked around top 5-10 defensively.

Our lack of success right now isn't all due to losing Redick(its part of it) but also his replacement(Willie Green) playing at a D league level. If he played at the same level he did last season we would have done a lot better. Dudley and Crawford have also been off.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421139by ClippersDA » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:43 PM PST
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Mullens is now disgruntled to boot haha. He claims to not know his role. I can tell him, his role is to ride some pine and avoid splinters. Addition by subtraction. Mullens - the worst signing of the cp3 era. Thanks doc! Jj on the other hand has a definite role, and the eye test tells me he is decent enough on d.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421140by Kingkanyon » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:45 PM PST
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Sure, lets blame a defensive ranking on a player who played about 10 15 minutes a night.

I rather thought it was because we played Miami, Houston 2x, Minisota 2x, OKC 2x, all those teams can put up some Points. But My point is J.J. Good for us, NOT SPECIAL, if he was a great Defender and was putting up at least 22 ppg 5rb 5 ast that would qualify as SPECIAL in my book, I know you don't like it but he's replaceable.

                
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Post ID: 421141by Voyeur » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:46 PM PST
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Clearly the defensive rating had nothing to do with Redick. In fact, it had more to do with the bench. If YOU looked at the numbers, you would know what I'm talking about. Fact is Redick was our best perimeter defender...which says as much about the other guys as it says about him. On the other end of the spectrum, our offensive rating was far better with JJ than without. We scored more points. And JJ led all Clippers in +/-.

Redick is going to have games where he will be shut down. But his presence still means a lot because defenders can't afford to lose track of where he is. Simply put, his off-the-ball style gave the offense spacing and fluidity. Something sorely missing last year. What don't you understand about that?

And the record? As if I should have to remind anybody:

With Redick: 12-5 (with arguably the toughest schedule to open a season)

Without Redick: 4-4

Might other players have been "special" for us too? Sure. Afflalo was a good choice. I didn't have a problem with the idea of getting him. Things didn't work out, yet we seemed to acquire a player that's just what the doctor ordered regarding much of our half-court woes.

                
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Post ID: 421142by fullcourt » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:46 PM PST
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Sorry but how do you blame the role players when CP and Blake havent even shown up every game.

We havent even been playing other contenders on this trip. We struggled on this trip because our all nba duo havent played like it .

It starts at the top and they need to dominate b4 it really becomes about the role players. Deron,Kyrie ,Blatche,Thompson,Milsap these are positions matched up against our big three if they can't dominate those battles against non contenders then the problem starts there.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421143by Kingkanyon » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:51 PM PST
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So in other words, they're going to play 500 basketball until the great J.J. Redick returns, lol.

                
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Post ID: 421144by Voyeur » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:55 PM PST
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I'm just explaining the numbers, as requested. We better effing hope we play better than .500 basketball while JJ's out. I'm sure we can play better. Especially if we start Jamal. However, we looked a heck of a lot better when JJ was on the court.

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421145by Icecoldclipper » Dec 15, 2013 - 09:58 PM PST
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Off topic some but my lord the Suns should of gave us a 2014 unprotected 1st for Bledsoe at least. Bledsoe turning into a monster and still has room to grow.

                
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Post ID: 421146by Kingkanyon » Dec 15, 2013 - 10:01 PM PST
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I know, I know.

I'm just saying J.J. has been a good fit for Chris Paul like David Wesley was in New Orleans, but like Wesley, he can be replaced. The word Special has me a little on edge, like you gotta be able to put up 40 for me to call someone SPECIAL.

                
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Post ID: 421147by Voyeur » Dec 15, 2013 - 10:04 PM PST
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His production has gone up every year. Maybe that will happen someday in the future.

                
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Post ID: 421148by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 15, 2013 - 10:38 PM PST
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10-15 minutes a game is a lot and Mullens was so bad on D that he actually did make us a lot worse defensively overall even in that limited amount of time.... Your point sucked in general because our starters played good-great defense.

Erm 22/5/5 with excellent defense=superstar or high level star. I am not saying that Redick is super great like some posters here think. He is a very good role player and very good role players can have a HUGE impact imo. They aren't stars but they are very important for contenders to have. Especially role players who fit well with the players that we have.

                
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Post ID: 421149by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 15, 2013 - 10:41 PM PST
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Paul and Blake did struggle at times but our role players did more than struggle. They were horrendous. Willie Green had a PER of 3 right now. 15 is average. Dudley, Green and even Crawford were bricking wide open shots which made it difficult for CP3 and BG.

Normally yes superstars/star are supposed to open things up for role players and they did it just happened to be the case that none of our wings could even make an open corner 3 shot.

                
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Post ID: 421155by clipper*joe » Dec 15, 2013 - 11:06 PM PST
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Bingo! Anyone can throw out stats but without actually looking deeper into them, to me, it's a bit pointless. Our defensive rating is also a bit skewed since we played bottom dwelling offensive teams on this road trip.

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Post ID: 421157by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 15, 2013 - 11:19 PM PST
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Its not about throwing out stats. Its pretty simple. Our bench defense was so much worse with Mullens in the game that our overall defense during that bad stretch was 17th in the league if you exclude all the minutes Mullens played and 30th if you included his minutes. Our starters were ranked around 6th overall defensively. Mullens was the worst defensive big in the league that actually played meaningful minutes and he was so bad that he made the Bobcats the worst defense in the league for several years. Right now the Bobcats are the 3rd best defensive team.... Its not all Mullens but he played a large role in making the Bobcats so shitty defensively.

As for our defensive rating being skewed. It isn't really because when we were ranked 30th defensively we were also facing a lot of elite offensive teams. Its more like its getting more balanced out.

We faced the Thunder 2x, the Rockets 2x, the Timberwolves 2x and the Heat in November. That is 7 very good offensive teams.

Right now I would say were average defensively overall but we have room to improve for sure.

                
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Post ID: 421159by fullcourt » Dec 16, 2013 - 12:11 AM PST
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They struggled in every loss basically. The losses are directly tied to when they get struggle.

What does the role players missing a few shots have to do with Paul Milsap going ham on Blake? or Kyrie outplaying Paul etc ..

Stars have to play like stars when ours don't we lose most of the time. Last year the bench covered that up but this year we don't have that type of firepower.

When you look at the other contenders it all starts at the top and its becoming far to common that Blake and Paul simply get outplayed on both ends. Can the role players shoot better OF COURSE but the losses aren't coming because of shots becauset he shots of role players come and go its coming because our two best players are having too many games where they are not the two best players on the court.

If either Blake or CP raises there game when JJ goes out those losses are victories

                
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Post Subject: RE: JJ Redick Is Special For Us Post ID: 421160by Jerediscool » Dec 16, 2013 - 12:46 AM PST
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I think the biggest problem with our team is just getting used to the new system still. Our core is still there from last year. Cp BG DJ crawford barnes willie hollins.. everything about a new system takes time to make it natural and comfortable at all times. Doc is still learning all the players. even miami had some struggles the first year... I know they gotta be more consistent but i think its just a matter of time. can't expect to add new pieces and a new system and everything to just immediately get better

                
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