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Post ID: 413300by CP3Heliflopter » Nov 11, 2013 - 12:41 PM PST
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You are kind of missing the point. My point is its not a good idea to throw a rook into a 20+ mpg situation when he has no nba experience. You need to ease him in slowly.



                
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Post ID: 413302by Agent0 » Nov 11, 2013 - 12:52 PM PST
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I said earlier, I had it in my knee for over two years. It started of as a little pain that I could deal with, which is usually how it starts. Just a little soreness after and you can easily go through it. Problem is that I didn't take any significant time off, and then it progressed to prolonged soreness and these random sharp pain when I would plant with the foot sometimes. I could still sort of push my way through that, just that consecutive days of playing were not pleasant. It then progressed to not just the sharp pain and soreness, but also limited range of motion, I couldn't really bend my knees on my jumpshot without it being uncomfortable.

I iced, I got a knee band, etc, etc, but I just needed time off.

After I decided to stop being dumb, I took about 4 months off sports activity along with daily ice to get back to normal.

It's actually what kept Danny Granger out, untreated tendinitis / tendinosis.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-bas ... mpers-knee

He was supposed to miss three months but ended up missing a whole season. I basically had the same injury, patellar tendinosis due to jumpers knee, there is a negative to having a high vertical, so I actually decided to take the time off when I read Granger's issue and treatment plan.

                
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Post ID: 413307by letitbled » Nov 11, 2013 - 01:46 PM PST
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Since when did hockey plus minus numbers become so relevant to a player's contribution. Those numbers can be so skewed. If your playing with a group that is performing well than you can play mediocre and look like you've done something and vise versa. Those numbers are reflective of both team's players on the court at any given time. Put him in with a different unit and it's a whole new ballgame. Look at the relevant individual stats when comparing players if you want to see what an individual is doing. Plus minus can be used as some kind of indicator but it's pretty subjective when judging an individual's play to say the least.

                
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Post ID: 413345by DocHollywood » Nov 11, 2013 - 08:22 PM PST
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I completely agree and I mentioned something along those lines earlier. I mentioned his +/- from the other night only to assist in making my larger point.

Harshly evaluating Dudley's performance this year while he has been injured the entire time is obviously unfair when he has previously played well throughout his NBA career. He is a known commodity that we can logically only assume will return to form.

Bullock has demonstrated nothing at the NBA level. He has never earned anyone's benefit of the doubt like Dudley has at the professional level. He received a decent amount of minutes in the preseason where he missed a bunch of shots and looked anything but game ready. He has shot the ball much worse than Mullens. I don't want Mullens jacking up shots and I don't want a rookie out there throwing bricks either. The 3pt line in the NBA is further out than the collegiate one. Not every player makes the transition to the pros regardless of how great people thought they were in college. I'm not at all saying he can't shoot, but he sure hasn't shot even decently for the last month. .

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413349by clipperboy24 » Nov 11, 2013 - 08:54 PM PST
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^^^ bullock has played 13 total minutes and attempted 6 shots. If you are going to rip on him based on that sample size saying he can't handle the NBA and isn't ready then you are the one who has lost credibility. The hypocrisy is hilarious

                
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Post ID: 413350by clipperboy24 » Nov 11, 2013 - 08:57 PM PST
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This just isn't accurate many 1st round picks play solid minutes especially when there is a need like in our case

                
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Post ID: 413351by tense2 » Nov 11, 2013 - 09:06 PM PST
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And just as many if probably a lot more, don't. It's all a moot point any way if Doc doesn't think he's ready.

Maybe IF both SF's go down, he'll be forced to do so, but I hope that scenario doesn't rear it's ugly head.

                
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Post ID: 413352by DocHollywood » Nov 11, 2013 - 09:14 PM PST
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I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PRESEASON AS WELL!!!! READ IT AGAIN. He has not been impressive and he often looks like a chicken with it's head cut off out there lol. Really. You notice how many other posters here readily acknowledge the steep learning curve a rookie faces? Doc knows. That's why Reggie is a last resort. A nuclear option if you will lol. He ain't ready yet bro.

                
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Post ID: 413366by clipperboy24 » Nov 11, 2013 - 09:59 PM PST
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I read it and preseason is nothing like the nba season. He had just come off an injury and didn't get that many minutes in preseason. I know exactly what you were saying and would say that you are very misguided and he doesn't have enough minutes or shot attempts to prove anything you are saying. Flat out you look like a blinded hater it's pretty comical actually.

                
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Post ID: 413367by clipperboy24 » Nov 11, 2013 - 10:01 PM PST
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He could or could not. I hope he doesn't just avoid playing someone because they are a rookie. We need the best possible player.

                
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Post ID: 413404by clipperboy24 » Nov 11, 2013 - 10:30 PM PST
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Oh and btw genius why don't you pull up his preseason minutes lol. He barely played in 2 games. You are right you have a massive sample size

                
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Post ID: 413629by CP3Heliflopter » Nov 12, 2013 - 12:05 AM PST
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How many 20ish picks play solid minutes on a contender? Very very few. On a lottery team sure, on a playoff team maybe. Its rare unless you are already nba ready. Very few rooks come into the league nba ready. He has to slowly earn his minutes like most rooks.

                
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Post ID: 413666by DocHollywood » Nov 12, 2013 - 12:52 AM PST
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You're going against the grain by preaching for us to play our 26th pick just because you think he's good enough. What have you personally seen to convince you that he's ready? What's your sample size? North Carolina? Non-lottery picks ride the pine as rooks unless they absolutely kill it in practice and preseason games. Reggie has killed nothing. Now watch your indignant mouth.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413675by Clipswhit » Nov 12, 2013 - 05:10 AM PST
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Dudley and Bullock both haven't looked good so far. They're both coming off injury, as is Barnes. It hasn't been long enough to comment on either guy for the future, but for the teams sake, I hope one or both of them can come in and defend at a high level at some point in the near future.

                
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Post ID: 413679by Heediot » Nov 12, 2013 - 07:48 AM PST
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Wow, the guy makes less than Kyle Korver and your complaining. At 4 million he is worth his value. His defense is solid, 95 percent of people get owned by James. He is a legit floor spacer and a very valuable role player.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413687by jarca » Nov 12, 2013 - 10:53 AM PST
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He should come off the bench. Barnes should start

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413725by DocHollywood » Nov 13, 2013 - 12:19 AM PST
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Doc Rivers and I respectfully disagree.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413732by ClipsGForce » Nov 13, 2013 - 05:00 AM PST
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No we should keep Matt barnes in the bench. He was basically a glue guy for our bench. with the lack of defense in the 2nd unit, Matt Barnes somehow made it work.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413734by Silasie » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:21 AM PST
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I agree, we need Matt on the bench. If Barnes is playing better he can get more minutes than Dudley. Isn't more about who finishes than who starts anyhow.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413750by CP3Best » Nov 13, 2013 - 11:14 AM PST
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I don't see him being a deficiency. He's solid. He's not too good, but he's not doing anything bad. He makes the right decisions in spite of trying to getting individual stats. He's shooting 41% from 3, playing solid defense and I think it's what we need from him, what else do you want from him?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413751by CP3Best » Nov 13, 2013 - 11:15 AM PST
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ALso to add, he ALWAYS makes the right plays from what I saw, whether to drive, pass or shoot he's always making the right decision. I appreciate that

                
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Post ID: 413755by clipperboy24 » Nov 13, 2013 - 11:24 AM PST
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Play solid defense and rebound he has been doing a bad job in both of those. He often cheats to go for a strip and leaves his guy wide open on the perimeter, that is the cardinal sin of defense.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413756by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 11:26 AM PST
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Jared Dudley is Ryan Gomes 2.0

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413775by EwanB » Nov 13, 2013 - 02:14 PM PST
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I personally think we should try and ship Dudley. Barnes works best off the bench and Bullock is obviously not ready to take on a big role. Dunno which SF's are a feasible options to trade for though. You guys got any ideas? Evan Turner perhaps?

                
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Post ID: 413781by CP3Heliflopter » Nov 13, 2013 - 02:38 PM PST
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Yea lets ship off Dudley 8 games into the season. lol

                
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Post ID: 413784by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 02:49 PM PST
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SF position not our problem, back up bigs major problem and that's where we need the help.

                
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Post ID: 413785by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 02:50 PM PST
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Not really...but nice try.

                
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Post ID: 413805by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 04:48 PM PST
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He's a little bit better than Gomes hence 2.0. His number in Phoenix is similar to what Gomes had in Minnesota. Even shot 38% from 3

Now he's posting up slightly better number than Gomes first year.

                
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Post ID: 413806by clipperboy24 » Nov 13, 2013 - 04:49 PM PST
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I sure hope not. He isn't looking good though.

                
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Post ID: 413807by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 04:50 PM PST
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Playing like Gomes in his first year here.at least he's 2.0 version though lol

                
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Post ID: 413808by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 05:20 PM PST
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Again, nice try. Here's a comparison of both players through last year. Dudley is better in every dept including advance numbers.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y2=2012

                
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Post ID: 413811by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:05 PM PST
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Injured, injured, injured.

                
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Post ID: 413812by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:06 PM PST
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Eh slightly better that's why I said 2.0

                
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Post ID: 413813by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:07 PM PST
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Don't forget to add the little caveat...he's injured, injured, injured. Razz

                
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Post ID: 413814by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:08 PM PST
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Oh, ok. wink...and he MIGHT be slightly better then Gomes, but he's an all-star compared to who we had last year, LOL.

                
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Post ID: 413819by cleepers » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:22 PM PST
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Even Ryan Gomes thinks you're just trolling Dudley now.

                
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Post ID: 413824by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:35 PM PST
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Caron Butler entire time in LA played injured/hurt u seem to forget that Razz

                
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Post ID: 413827by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:38 PM PST
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When you averaged 7 points and 1 rebound you'll never look like an all star even when comparing to the 15th guy at the roster

                
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Post ID: 413833by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:44 PM PST
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Not true, but again nice try. LOL.

                
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Post ID: 413836by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:45 PM PST
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Keep throwing stuff at the wall, something will stick. Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 413838by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:46 PM PST
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Ok keep up with injury excuse. He's hurt not injured. Remember. Everyone plays hurt

                
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Post ID: 413839by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:47 PM PST
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7 points a game and 1 rebound is an all star to tense Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 413841by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:51 PM PST
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Your a funny guy Jarca. But again, nice try.

                
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Post ID: 413842by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 06:51 PM PST
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You're right injuries are a false stat, lol.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413843by ClipperKyle32 » Nov 13, 2013 - 07:01 PM PST
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Jared Dudley is a glue-guy!!! He was not brought in to score 25 every game or be our LeBron James or KD! He was brought in to shoot!!!! He has a great basketball IQ! Basketball is a sport of knowledge! You can be the most athletic player in the league ( a la Javale McGee ) but if you do not have basketball smart, you are useless! Dudley isn't the most athletic but he is one of the smartest players in the game IQ wise! Have you ever listened to him talk? He is a very smart guy! He was brought in to shoot the basketball and MAKE THE OPEN SHOTS and make the right play!!!!!

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 22 points and 7 assist

Of course he is not going to put that up every night!

I miss Caron but I would rather have Jared! Cheaper , Better Shooter , and Better B-Ball IQ!

Jared Dudley is what we saw against Houston a guy who can hit timely shots!! The hardest shot Jared Dudley has hit this season was the wide open 3 against Houston that shifted the momentum by giving us the lead or tying the game( I forget what it was if you remember please help me out haha) That Is what he was brought in to do! Again Jared Dudley is a glue-guy! He was not brought in to score 25 every game or be our LeBron , He was brought in to shoot!!!

                
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Post ID: 413848by DocHollywood » Nov 13, 2013 - 07:42 PM PST
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He's hurt not injured??? What the hell are you talking about? And no, everyone doesn't play professional basketball when they only have 70% range of motion and it hurts to run. Stop the ignorant hating. Are you trolling? Seriously.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread Post ID: 413850by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 07:46 PM PST
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^No Doc, it's just Jarca. He'll grow on you after a while. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_08

                
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Post ID: 413854by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 08:03 PM PST
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Nothing false about 7 points and 1 assist. Which is Gomes 2.0. But maybe u can inflate it by 2 points by giving me his Per 36 lol

                
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Post ID: 413855by jarca » Nov 13, 2013 - 08:04 PM PST
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It's the NBA. How many players are 100% all year long

                
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Post ID: 413857by tense2 » Nov 13, 2013 - 08:04 PM PST
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Yep, with that "big" sample size, you got me. Nice try....again.

                
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