Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread (P. 4)

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clipperboy24
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Well it's bigger than the sample size many on this site have judged reggie bullock by, lol.

It's just funny seeing people loving on Dudley when he has been so mediocre at best.

Also Caron was basically injured his shop career as a clipper that's just reality.

jarca
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8 game and counting lol 8)

jarca
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Shhhhh. You can only use the injury/excuse when crunching number doesn't work on his favor even by stretching it by per 36 Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_01

tense2
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Look at his history, that's all. Plus you can't have it both ways with the so-called injury excuse.

tense2
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Makes as much sense as your Paul vs Parker argument. keep it up, this fun. Razz

ClipperB23
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^ Hahaha Tense speaking the truth. Got em!

jarca
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Yup because I argue with what ACTUALLY happened not hypothetical

tense2
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You didn't do a very good at that either. Stay in the subjective small sample size frame, it suits you better.

jarca
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And you stick to your hypothetical/injury argument

clipperboy24
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Yep that's why I am saying if you are going to use an excuse for Dudley injury wise than caron deserves the same.

CP3Heliflopter
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So we have used the injury excuse for Butler for the two seasons he was here?

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What's funny is you hating on an injured yet proven NBA talent while simultaneously loving on an unproven 26th pick. So is Reggie's time at North Carolina your sample size, or have you been watching some of his high school games too? I'll ask again since you wisely avoided answering the first time: what game footage indicates to you or any one else here that Bullock is NBA ready? There is none. You don't play a rookie in a regular season game to see if he doesn't fail. You play a rookie when you believe they're ready to succeed. Trust Doc on these matters.

tense2
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Ok, we're going around in a circle, so let's see at seasons end who was "right".

On to the Thunder game.

tense2
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2yrs vs small sample size...yeah that's fair, lol.

tense2
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Not hypothetical at all.

By the way, how did that Paul/Parker Poll turn out. Razz

DocHollywood
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An apple is not an orange. Dudley's acute knee problem is nothing like Caron's chronic whatever. Btw, what injury did Caron have for two whole seasons? LOL Please share, then explain how Caron overachieved while Dudley is underachieving. This should be good....

clipperboy24
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For sure we need to see more but the injury excuse could literally have been used for Caron his entire 2 years.

tense2
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Don't really think so, but that's great then that the FO signed a gimpy player from the get go....smart, lol.

Caron's best days were behind him when we gave him that 3 year deal. Last really good full year was with the Wizards way back when.

CP3Heliflopter
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Dude is old and washed up not "injured".

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The Caron Butler signing is tricky to evaluate though. When we signed him he was one of the few willing to come here given Sterlings reputation and the standing of the Clippers. At that time we really only had a young core to attract players. We only had the promise of three rising stars: Gordon, Griffin, and Jordan. I remember at the time he was not high on many peoples list as the SF we should sign, but progress comes incrementally some times.

That entails signing players like Caron who are not top tier, but will make somewhat of an impact. After the Clippers signed CP3 things changed because we had a franchise player at his prime, and suddenly our signings like Caron and Billups didn't look all that great. As you correctly mentioned we got Caron at the decline of his career. I'm not privy to the Clippers front office discussions, no one here is. But I suspect that if the Clippers had their way back then we would have gotten a top tier SF like Iggy, Granger, or Iguodala. I'm sure the FO was well aware of where Caron stood in regard to his career at the time.

Still, Caron and Billups were a different era. Things are so different now and that we have players in their prime wanting to come here. This last year was incredible to witness us nab Redick...huge deal.

tense2
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^I actually think Chauncey was a great pick up, particularly at the price we got him at. He chose to play out of his natural position which was what we needed at the time. Too bad he got hurt that year.

Wasn't that big on Caron, especially coming off that injury. Oh well

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With one still ring less

tense2
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Ah, back to your old tricks again. Nice try.

jarca
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Back at yea lol

tense2
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^what was the Poll count again....

jarca
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Lol a poll from fellow clippers fans hahahahaha keep reaching.

jarca
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Stop trying to hijack this thread tense with CP talk lol.

tense2
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If you couldn't convince the fellow clipper fans, I would have love to see your logic against other "experts".

CP3Heliflopter
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70% of "experts" picked Paul as the best PG in the league in espn polls. Try again. If Parker comes with the best PF ever, the best small market FO ever and a top 5 coach ever I will pick him but otherwise no thanks not even close but hey look at the bright side I think Skip Bayless agrees with you.lol

clipperboy24
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So Dudley was not horrible, still bad decisions on D, but how about reggie? He looked pretty good out there, pretty clearly deserves more minutes.

tense2
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Yes he did/does. Now we'll see if Doc agrees.

jarca
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You got hooked on tense bait. Reason he brought up CP on a thread about Dudley is to bring back up from CP fans lol

DocHollywood
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Reggie played hard and certainly shows potential. He knows his handle has always been his biggest weakness, so hopefully he's started to show some improvement in practice. Notice how he NEVER puts the ball on the floor for more than one or two dribbles? He avoided dribbling at UNC too. If he gets himself a decent handle and finds his shot, EVENTUALLY I could see him giving Barnes a run for bench minutes since Matt has never been a great shooter.

toohipcliptoslip
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"No rookies on the wood" Don Nelson. Doc may as policy not use rookies much.??? He also made rookie mistakes.

Icecoldclipper
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Solid game like that he kept trying harder as game went on.

clipperboy24
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Now you're coming around Smile agree that he needs to improve his dribbling. I just love what he brings to the boards and defense

Icecoldclipper
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The rebound drawn foul on Thabeet was a sweet sight.

tense2
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No, just to compare your logic...if you can call it that. Wink

Clipperfan9
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I'm not one to stab a dead cat, but 0 points tonight from Mr. Superhands - nice

CP3Heliflopter
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He has been awful tbh. Hopefully he plays up to his normal level soon. Its pretty clear he is still injured but how long will it take for him to recover?

LobAngelesBlakers
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looking back at the offseason and the interviews he did, I think he oversold and is underperforming. He really hyped his IQ and intangibles. He does impact the game, but he has a very weak stat line for a starting 3.

jarca
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Gomes once had the infamous stat of 0 points, 0 rebound, and 0 assist after playing 21 mins.

Dudley posted 1 rebound, 1 assist, and 0 points in 24 mins.

Like I said Gomes 2.0

Waiting for tense to post advance stats

tense2
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Can't disagree right now in this small sample size of 10 games, particularly the last few. Let's hope the next 10 games it will be a deferent story.

LobAngelesBlakers
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I can understand playing barnes as a backup to even out the talent, but he is seriously outperforming in limited minutes. I am just glad to see that the past few games they are even on minutes (both playing 25ish).

This team has never had a legit starting 3 for some reason, but this era of players doesn't really focus on the 3 much.

Voyeur
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Yeah I was not the biggest fan of Butler, but even he would drive to the basket and throw one down every now and then when his shot wasn't going in. C'mon Dudley, I know you can do better!

CP3Heliflopter
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Unless the tendonitis continues to be a lingering issue he should be fine. I am worried about how long it will take for him to recover however.

Icecoldclipper
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A concern is his awareness on the court seems to be off. I remember one thing that was talked about was that he was suppose to be a smart crafty player on the floor. Maybe the injury is limiting him on how much he can do so if that's the case he should shut it down for a few games. There is no point dragging out a injury if that truly is the reason for his play.

One more thing DJ and Dudley need to juice up add some more muscle.

CP3Heliflopter
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Its more like his mobility is shot than awareness. He moves in slow motion at times. Wouldn't mind having him shut it down for a few games but I doubt it will happen.

EwanB
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I know it's early in the season and his role isn't meant to be putting up big numbers, but seriously, 0 point, 1 rebound, 1 assist in 24 minutes? Not sure if injury is still bothering him or what but give more minutes to Barnes and Bullock. Dud just isn't performing well enough to be worthy of 27 minutes a game

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He has been Jared DUDley for us so far. As long as he gets it together by all star break I'll be happy.

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