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cleepers
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I'm not missing anything.

I was addressing the earlier comment about being 2-6 against the "elite" teams. We were without Blake the first time against GSW because Mark Jackson is a cheating b*tch, without CP3 the second time and BOTH were on the road. And we have as many total wins on the road as GSW do at home, so yeah... they've got their own problems.

If you think we're going to see the Hawks in the playoffs, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. All of these teams have a substantially worse record than us, so I'd say their issues are just as big, if not bigger.

You can't just go analyzing every loss as if it's some portent of bad things to come... or maybe we should all be crapping our pants about running into Charlotte or Orlando in the finals.

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If crapping your pants keeps you sane after each loss good for you

You missed the point again, doesn't matter if its a west or east team we play bad on the road.

You give GSW to much credit, spurs beat em with neither Parker, Duncan and Manu in the team

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.500 won't cut it and most teams are dealing with injuries. We have to ditch the excuses and just play.

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Also, everyone has to deal with back-to-backs. Only we seem to use them as a crutch and an excuse to give up and lose. All these excuses are just a sign of mental weakness, which will be exploited in the playoffs.

Bottom line is, we have no signature wins since early December. Last year, we racked up wins over elite teams early on in the year when they were out-of-sync, and then stopped beating them later on when they started to gel... then we lost in the first round. This year seems to be playing out the same way.

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Looks like the clippers are fed up with Dudley.

Marc stein tweeted that the team is itchy to make a deal happen and that Dudley is in play.

Hopefully they trade him. Unfortunately, he is a disappointment. All he had to so is defend and make wide open shots. He hasn't been able to do any of those so time for him to go

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Double post

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And I was attacked for calling him Gomes 2.0.

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Gomes is a stretch lol

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CapsNClips wrote:

Intriguing. Time for Doc to prove his GM skills.

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Actually, you missed the point. I'm not the one going all chicken-little because we've lost a few games we shouldn't have... or crapping my pants about the playoffs.

There will be NO B2B's in the playoffs. That is the point I and others are trying to make. We will also have our best player back, or we won't go far regardless.

Yes, we have underperformed on the road so far, but only Indy has fewer home losses. We're still within striking distance of the Spurs and they have played 6 fewer road games.

Speaking of the Spurs... all of their big-3 played their previous game - at home - against the Curry-less warriors and only scraped out a 2-point win. It just goes to show that a single game taken in isolation doesn't mean much.

I'm quite comfortable with where we're at right now with a home-friendly schedule looming and CP3 about to return, but don't let that stop you from believing that the sky is falling.

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I've been a staunch defender of Duds all season long thinking you can't be a career 40% +/- shooter and play like he has this long......

Well I was wrong, he clearly has (tendonitis or not) some shooting issues that won't be resolved anytime soon. I can't count on how many open looks at threes he had last night that were not even close.

all the while JC is knocking them down with a defender in his face.........

Good riddance Duds

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Hey last night Dudley played pretty decent and fought for rebounds. If he could do that he would be worth keeping, I just don't see that drive and effort on a nightly basis. There was a rebound he fought for last night that kind of proved my point that he isn't putting in full effort all the time. He looked more like reggie Evans than Jared Dudley and it was awesome.

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same here. I said he wouldn't even be in the playoff rotation and was flamed to no end.

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Lets's wait for tonights game ,with Chris Paul he will get the needed right space for him just hope he will not miss the open shot.

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I think there is finally a consensus that J Duds is out of shape

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Depends on what "in shape" means for him. Some guys are perennially out of shape in terms of their body. Our newly signed Glen Davis is an example of a guy who is always out of shape coming into camp, and perpetually has weight issues.

I don't know if Dudley's optimal shape is specifically impressive, he won't be Blake Griffin if he was in shape, the man has always been pudgy

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I recall a Q&A Dudley had on Twitter and one follower asked if Dudley lifted weights. Dudley replied that he does indeed, but that his body is not cut like Blake Griffin and will never be. His body is what it is.

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Hahaha people are still clinging to straws defending him.

Just because it may be more work for someone to get into better shape doesn't mean they have an excuse to not be in shape. He is a professional athlete. When someone is performing you can get a pass but when you are sucking its all scrutinized and he excuses don't work anymore. I guarantee he doesn't have a very restricted diet and work out nearly as much as Blake griffin. If you or I were paid $4.25mm per you and required to keep body fat under 10% I guarantee it would be no problem. Just look at the biggest loser, and those guys are huge!!! A little discipline goes a long way

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Better to cling to straws than deny reality like you are right now. Different body types exist, and some people can find it way easier to lose weight than others. I do agree Dudley probably doesn't have nearly as restricted a diet as Griffin, but his confidence is easily his biggest issue right now.

Dudley's awful right now, but people like you who are arrogantly crowing over how right you are just out of some weird desire to gain internet points are even worse.

Also, I wouldn't rely on a reality TV show as "evidence" that people can magically lose weight like it's nothing. Let's get real here people, losing weight take a lot more work than some sick cuts and a couple commercial breaks.

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^^ you just proved my point, it does take hard work and a lot of it and that's why they are paid a lot of money that is reality. If Jared isn't giving his full effort and doing whatever he can to succeed and his performance is bad then he deserves to be criticized. You think those people on biggest loser didn't work their butt off (literally) and have to show some serious discipline? Of course they did!

It's funny because a study came up today that said the average obese woman exercises vigirously for less than 1 hour total in a year. And people wonde why they are overweight?

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Here is the article:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obese-women ... ear-study/

It's not rocket science you don't put in the hard work you won't be in really good shape. And if you are paid as athlete you should be doing everything possible to be in peak condition.

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I don't think anyone is questioning why obese chicks are obese.. Dudley is pudgy and always has been, I Have known people that were in great shape and still weren't cut up like Blake.. Who knows what Dudleys diet or work out regiment is but I doubt anyone on the team is letting him skip work outs and not put in the work. Bottom line is that he sucks this year, everyone is agreeing with that, but its most likely either a lack of confidence or a fluke year. I doubt its because he's sitting at home eating pizza and skipping work outs, but who knows.

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If that is what you comprehended from my post then more power to you thumbup

No duh he doesn't work as hard as Blake, who suggested he did?

You'd be surprised how much money isn't the maximal motivator for everyone though.

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BS. He's basically saying he does the minimal amount of body conditioning with minimal results to show for it. I don't care who you are, you can build your body any way you want. It's more about intake than it is about what you bench press. That's a cope out if ever i heard one.

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Yeayah! More power to me woohoo Smile

The question is why isn't he working as hard as Blake?

No doubt people aren't just motivated by money but is Dudley even motivated? He is paid like he should be. I seriously can't comprehend the rationale behind suggesting you shouldn't give full effort.

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I actually wouldn't surprised if was skipping work outs when his knee was in worse shape, I know Rivers said something about him not being fully available for practice, so workouts may have been the same thing. Tough thing about injuries that require rest to heal is that it makes it hard stay in top shape while also resting your knee; Baron Davis had similar problems.

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That's such a lame excuse. Nobody's asking him to look like Blake, just to be in shape, which is a requirement for his job.

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The difference is Davis plays a position where size matters. While Athleticism is important, it isn't as important as a Wing player. Davis is the last person to be a poster child for the NBA but it's much more common or shall I say, "acceptable", for a player to look like him at his position than Dudley, for his position. I'll also bet dollars to doughnuts that Davis is much more athletic than Dudley is too.

If Dudley was much more mobile, I could care less what shape (literal) he was. The fact that he is not mobile and pudgy makes me wonder how well he takes care of his body.

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I actually totally agree with ya there. being injured does get him out of work outs per doctors orders, but when healthy i can't imagine anyone lets him off the hook, if he's even trying to get off the hook.. we don't know, we don't know anything about his work ethic. Until someone from the team comes out and says he's lazy and doesn't work out, I'm going to assume that he does.

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Him and baron did have the same problem... Always out of shape and full of excuses why it's just not their body style. Although I don't actually think I have heard Dudley make that excuse just other people for him.

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Is anyone suggesting that he shouldn't give full effort? Nope, no one.

...but we're not naive, we realize that only a few NBA players give full effort in all things relating to their profession, Blake is one of those few. Even in life in general, there's probably a larger percentage of people slacking here and there in whatever it is they do than there are who give full effort in their profession or responsibilities. Of course to varying degrees, and there's acceptable enough effort where you aren't going above and beyond, but you get things done. No one will praise you for doing what you're supposed to do, but they won't criticize you for not doing extra.

When you get the job done, or in the NBA, produce, its acceptable. Dudley not being a gym rat or whatever we're talking about here is an issue because Dudley isn't producing, in which case more effort needs to be given to meet his status quo. I don't disagree, why would I? What I don't think is that his issue is just shape related. Dudley was as fat or pudgy or chubby, or whatever you want to call it as he is now the past two seasons with Phoenix and didn't look miserable, so how can he now say that all of a sudden it's his weight that is the issue?

When he was starting, Dudley was producing very well at home as a starter, what was he in shape on the road and out of shape at home? Correlation vs causation taken into account, in the 15 games Dudley played 30-39 minutes this season, he averaged 34.9 MPG, 11.5 PPG, 45.8% FG, 39.2% 3PT. Sure you can always improve your conditioning, but that doesn't allow for it to be a scapegoat in this situation. There are a lot of factors seemingly playing into Dudley's demise, but pinning it solely or primarily on his body shape doesn't fit into his actual production, b/c why didn't it hinder him when he was fat the last two seasons or at home or the games he played big minutes?

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I agree. Dudley did come in as a SF/PF as his NBA projection, maybe Doc should use him at PF instead. He's always been slow on the wing though, it's nothing new, he made up for it with other things. If Dudley lost weight he would most likely just be a slow skinny guy, no way that little bit of weight is limiting him from moving that much.

Baron Davis was fat but he could still move. Similarly guys like Deron Williams, Felton when he's fat. Dudley is un-athletic whether he is fat or skinny. Davis can't jump, it affects him in contesting shots, which is why he takes charges, but he has better athletic gifts whether he's fat or skinny.

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I'm not talking skinny, more like turning that softness into muscle. I honestly don't think he's fat, he's soft. If he could turn that into mass, I'd bet it'll make a lot of difference, especially in his legs. he looks like a fat guy that lost a lot of weight. There are a lot of people like that (myself included) that never took it a step further (me for a lot years). Dudley has taken care of his body before in phoenix.

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He's still thick, true, and to his credit he has lost a good amount of weight in comparison to his earlier years, but considering all the guys with weight problems, even as professional athletes, it's obviously easier said than done.

It could help him be more athletic, but looking at him, I don't know if he has quickness in him if at his best weight he was still a little slower, but it is possible

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I am just wondering where his shot has gone. No excuses for his poor shooting.

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he's shooting decent this game!

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My issues with Jared are not because of his shot not falling its because of the lack of energy and hustle that should be a staple of someone with his talents game. Last year Crawford,Bledsoe ,Odom, even Turiaf and Hollins all came off the bench fired up and ready to go nearly every game. They took the attitude of we can start for other teams so if we end up facing opposing teams backups we should destroy them and they did. They took pride in their roles.

You can score 10 ppg on this team simply by hustling 100% of the time you are on the floor. Jared ,Mullens,Willie and other bench players have been given great opportunities by Doc and they have squandered them.

Where is the hustle? the diving on the floor for loose balls? the taking of charges etc. Against Memphis we had bench players like James Johnson fired up against us which was funny but at least he as fiery yet our bench looks as though they are just going through the motions.

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Great post. This has been the most frustrating thing to watch. The lack of energy hustle and overall effort.

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Well, it's been fun at times around here. I'm nearly positive that Dunkathon agrees with my sentiments; that's kind of why I repped him LOL. People are often called an "arrogant tool" when they're acting like an "arrogant tool." Thanks for making my somewhat inconspicuous comment more public for everyone smh. I'm cancelling my membership now.

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^^Well, the site does not welcome nor tolerate any member who continually disrespect & personally attack other fellow members, so don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, LOL.

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I agree for the most part but I see willie hustling every time that he's in. Sure, he makes some mistakes but he usually comes out with energy

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^^^ for sure Willie shouldn't be in the no energy list he always brings his best. Just isn't always good enough to provide the help we need

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After the pre season last year,I know already that Caron is a better shooter than Dudley.

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he never got any time to play though. he couldn't get in a constant groove this year with random minutes he was getting. last year he did a pretty solid job as our starter, was our best shooter percentage wise. if he was given constant minutes he would be doing a lot better.

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Last year he was our starter when Chauncy was down, and Jamal stay in our second unit and Willie played well. but this year Jamal start for JJ and Doc reshuffle our second unit without permanent SG.

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Any of you guys want Tuff juice back on the team?

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yeah when jamal started collison was given all the minutes willie was suppose to get. he wasn't really given a chance.

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yeah i'd take him over dudley. ... ahh the irony

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