Jared Dudley Performance Discussion Thread (P. 20)

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MunoValente
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Green has played plenty this year, he's played about 600 minutes, he's sucked even more than Dudley, that is why Bullock and Collison are getting the backup SG minutes now. I was hoping Bullock would do a little more given this chance, but so far he hasn't, but Redick is out a while so he'll have some chances.

MunoValente
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Butler last year 39% 3pt%, this year 36%

Dudley last year 39% 3pt%, this year 36%

Dudley's two point shooting is much better. Butler does shoot more, but he overall that probably isn't a good thing given how bad he is at two point shooting is (41%, but takes 9 a game).

MunoValente
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Looking at Dudley's month to month splits it's noticeable that while his shooting has been wildly inconsistent this year, his non-rebounding contributions have been steadily improving over the course of the season, although having his minutes cut has masked this some. In February he's averaging about 5 rebounds per 36 after being down around 2 in November. His assist rate is also is up. I think he is being more active now that his knee is feeling better, but unfortunately is shooting has gone in shitter recently. If he could shoot as well has he did January and to continue rebounding and passing at the level he's done this month, he'd be making a pretty decent contribution.

Diamond909
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Omg, I just had somebody unfriended and blocked me because of her love of dudely. Who does that?

ClipperKyle32
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Reggie Bullock shot is so pure. Just like Water and Granger looked good. I know Dudley ( 28 ) isn't athletic , but Granger ( 30 ) had a dunk as his first bucket as a Clippers and scored 10 points all together going 4/8. With Matt on Fire, Granger coming along, and Bullock hitting shots as a Rook, Is Jared Dudley done? Will we see Jared Dudley play another minute that isn't garbage time? Dudley just did not have a great year and with the knee issues and now the back spasms does Doc just shut him down for the year? If So I wish the best for Dudley and as many times that I have gotten frustrated with him, I still feel bad for him. Duds was a good player before he came here and now it seems he can't get the feel. I said from the beginning that Dudley was not a good fit for the Clips. Best Wishes for Duds and Hope for the best.

PS. JJ PLEASE GET HEALTHY Very Happy

AirGriffin
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Completely agree. I like Bullock more than Dudley out there even as a rookie cause he doesn't think too much! He just plays the game naturally how it comes to him!!! And he is going to develop into a great 3/D guy. Hands down, Dudley should get scrap minutes.

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Jared Dudley is NEVER done. He ALWAYS goes back for seconds.

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Call me crazy but as much as I have giving Dudley crap, I'd rather have Duds in the rotation than Bullock.

ClipperNation32
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Haha.

And to the answer the thread - I sure hope so. We don't need him out there.

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Bullock is not yet ready,in PO time we can use Dudley defensively.

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I see what you mean. If Dudley was 100% (I don't believe he is) than I would say keep him where he is. But, since that is not the case, I say give those minutes to Reg because that way he can get an even better feel of what it is like to be out there on the court for stretches.

CapsNClips
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Fact of the matter is they are both playing like rookies. For a playoffs/matchup stand point I like Duds guarding Leonard/Iggy and I like Bullock guarding Parsons/Batum.

Neither of them will really have the task to guard those people so I guess it'll probably be decided by who's playing better going into the playoffs.

cleepers
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You're not crazy. Bullock isn't ready for prime time.

Clippersfan86
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Joe how could you be down on Bullock? Guy has been consistent for a rookie scoring wise. He defends and rebounds better than Dudley already.

MunoValente
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Bullock has mostly been playing SG, if anyone is going to take Dudley's SF minutes it is Granger, but even that happens Dudley will take PF minutes from Turkoglu. When Granger made his debut he came on at the same time as Dudley and it was Turkoglu that sat. Dudley also played crunch time minutes at PF against Houston and against OKC Turkoglu got a DNP-CD and Dudley played almost entirely at PF.

tense2
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This. Reggie's future for the Clippers is at the SG spot I believe.

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Be down on Bullock? Just because I rather have Duds over Bullock doesn't mean I'm down on him. I'll take experience most of the time. Since the playoffs don't have back to backs, I'd rather play with Duds based on his post season experience. Bullock can't be consistent based on his inconsistent playing time. If he had regular minutes throughout the season, maybe my opinion would change but he hasn't. Now, if Duds doesn't perform, then you give the kid a chance.

MunoValente
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I don't think this is entirely true. With their rebounding Dudley's season numbers are so low because he wasn't getting any when he was limping around in November, but if you look only at Dudley's post-all star break rebounding their rebounding is very similar. Defensively they are good at different things. Bullock is better against dribble penetration, but Dudley is better against post players and his positioning and decision making are better which helps against spot shooters. Dudley's strength also allows him to do switches pretty freely with Griffin and provide decent interior cover if our bigs hedge hard or trap on pick and rolls or move out to challenge shots. Because they are good at different things, it is nice to have both of them, so we can switch what we are doing depending on what we need.

I don't think Bullock's scoring is consistent either, he's had couple nice outbursts in blowouts where the entire 4th was garbage time, but it's been a while since he's contributed much in a more competitive game. That said I like Bullock and he's a good prospect and deserves playing time, but we still need to pick our spots with him.

BringKamanBack
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duds has been playing better recently but has anyone else noticed he has the WORST balance in the NBA? he's always falling forward, like his head is too big or there's a burrito on the floor and he is diving for it.

06clippersfan
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Dudley is such a like able player. I always want the best for him, but man this season he has played really bad. He's had a few good games recently and hopefully he can continue that

CapsNClips
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20 pages of this thread and it finally becomes relevant because Jared is actually performing.

Keep it up Dudley.

Mistwell
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I'd say Dudley has played himself into the backup PF position just fine at this point. Glad to see him back in the rotation.

CP3Heliflopter
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Dudley is starting to play better. Just in the for the playoffs. He has done a good job as a backup PF.

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who is faster, turk or Dudley? They both seem to be going in slow motion.

aksel
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Turk + Dudley better be released the first day of the offseason. Literally deadweight of the bench. Get players that can actually do, stuff.

MunoValente
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Dudley had a tough game last night, but there is a good chance we don't win the Suns or Wolves games without him. Even last night he was at least playing defense. Dudley has played reasonably ok since the all-star break, people making over the top statements about releasing him with a couple years left on his contract are being ridiculous.

ClippersDA
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He's a vet minimum production player tho...Dudley

MunoValente
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If he was released he would easily get more than vet minimum. Probably not as quite as much as he is getting, but probably like 2-3 million year. So at worst we are over paying a guy 1-2 million, who can fill in at multiple positions and has never complained about his role, even when he was out of the rotation. It's not ideal, but it's not exactly the most dire situation in the world either.

Icecoldclipper
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Felt Turk has proved his uses for a vet min guy and gave us another ball handler and seems to be getting faster. Hero did help us in the 4th quarter rally a game ago. Duds has been playing well lately just could not find his shot last night. With Granger being out a little longer I would of hoped to have Dudley starting next to JJ as a shooting place holder. However the the three spot may create the same problems he had going before .

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Matt Barnes has played the shooter role very well both in attempts and in percentages. Last 20 games:

2.5 / 6.6 3PT = 37.1% 3PT

Kevin Durant makes 2.4 3PT/G and is 8th in the league in makes/game. Love and Ariza make 2.5 3PT/G and are 6th and 7th. So let's understand the level of 3PT prowess Matt has been showing over his past 20 games.

JQuick32
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You know it's pathetic when NBA teams are willing to pay $4.5 mil a year to a 34-year-old Caron Butler who plays like he's 84, but aren't willing to take on $4.2 mil a year for Dudley.

This guy needs to go - sorry, not willing to bet this season on the off chance that an out-of-shape scrub that nobody wants is going to magically turn it around. Especially not for a franchise he hates and used to make fun of when he was a Sun before moving on to stealing money from us.

kjavis
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Why isn't this scrub in the summer league, guy needs to prove he deserves to even sit on the bench SMH

clipperboy24
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Haha I was just thinking that too. He needs all the playing time he can get!

ClipperRevival
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Dudley had a bad season for us. He has to be the most unathletic 3 in the league and I don't think it's even close. He wasn't even in the rotation come playoff time. We should trade him.

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This is exactly what should be happening, but I'm sure that it would be viewed as draconian and would hamper coach/player relationships. On a personal level i think forcing Dudley to play in summer league would slim him down, sharpen his shooting, and perhaps show case him to gain trade interest.

slestack11
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There's no point in trading Dudley now because there's barely any starting SF free agents worthy of picking up...maybe Marion. And no team is going to trade us a starting calibur SF for Dudley. So since he's at the lowest possible value right now, the Clippers may as well hope that he does get in shape this summer and plays good to start the season. This way he will have some value come trade deadline time and they can flip him then. As far as pickups, the Clippers should use their last FA pickup on a backup PG. We all know CP3 is going to get hurt at some point as usual and Farmar isn't the most durable point guard either. Gonna need someone as insurance and I'm thinking they will give Delonte West a minimum contract. If I were the Clippers though, I'd try and bring in Kendall Marshall who was second in the league in assists last season.

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I'm willing to bet that Dudley will surprise people this season. I hope Doc reconsiders him starting and bringing Barnes off the bench. Dudely needs to be with the starters to get his confidence back and Barnes seems to thrive more on a more free style of offense. Anyway, that's what I would love to see.

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I agree with both the previous two posts. Dudley's value is at an all-time low. It's hard to see how we could get anything of value back right now, plus he can hardly perform any worse than he did last year. Best to hold onto him for a while.

Also, I think Kendall Marshall would be a great pickup as our 3rd point-guard if we can grab him for the minimum.

CapsNClips
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I'd love it if Dudley could get back to form. I actually prefer a PHX Dudley to a lot of the Free Agent SF's that we missed out on this summer.

He just needs to do two things. 1.) Get his knee healthy 2.) Lose some fat.

The latter should effect the former in a good way.

Agent0
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I've said it before also that it is much more likely for him to be better next season than worse. Dudley was not a one hit wonder in Phoenix, he had 4 really good seasons in the role player SF shooter role. Consistency is one of the best things we can use to predict future outcome, that is without any external factors like injuries, a terrible team situation, etc. Collison had a similar thing. His 3rd season, the 11-12 season with Indiana was quite terrible for him, and they traded him for Ian Mahinmi, but it was more likely he went back to being 15-16 pts/36 guy than to stay at the 12 pts/36 from that season, and that's what happened his next two seasons with Dallas and with us.

So it's more likely that Dudley who shot 47% FG / 41% 3PT and 75% FT for 4 seasons prior is closer to that than to 44% FG / 36% 3PT and a dismal 66% FT of this past season. If we find a good offer where another team is thinking the same thing in terms of him being unlikely to be bad again, go for it, but outside of that, there's really no point in trading a player when their value is the lowest just for the sake of it.

I agree with Joe that the starting SF position should be open in camp, and Dudley and Barnes can battle for it

clipperboy24
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Yep, it would be great if he could contribute. Until he shows that drive and commitment (showing up in shape) we are better off without him.

ClipperRevival
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I guess it does make more sense to stand pat right now given how low his value is right now. If anything, if he plays well yet we still don't think he's not our guy going forward, we can trade him midseason and get more.

ClipperRevival
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Having said that, I still don't think he should be our guy going forward. We need D from the 3 position and Dudley is the most unathletic 3 in the game.

clipperboy24
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Everyone should have to read the first page of this thread, it's hilarious and will help keep things in perspective when people are so dogmatic.

The funniest part is, a lot of the people who said give Dudley time wouldn't extend that same grace to bullock, even though bullock was clearly trying and Dudley... Fat

Agent0
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I don't think anyone is trying to get rid of or dislikes Bullock....weird comparison

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I really wish Jared was more driven to improve. Based on what little I hear from him via Twitter, he seems like a good natured dude, which probably makes him a good locker room presence. But, his lack of dedication to his craft, as evidenced by his, by NBA standards, poor physique, sets a bad example. I really hope he surprises us all and bounces back next season, but I fear and suspect, that any improvement will be marginal at best because he doesn't take the game seriously.

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The funny thing is I was one of those optimists that thought Duds would come out of his funk, but it never happened. If you watched this guy in Phoenix he was a reliable shooter and good hustler who would come up with those 50/50 balls and for most part he was relatively consistent playing that way. No One could imagine a player could drop off in production so drastically and quickly within a few months. Which brings us to this point where he and his contract has put a stranglehold on us and on what is probably one of the central/key positions in the NBA today

JQuick32
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I don't even want to watch another second of this scrub in a Clippers uniform after seeing every small forward with a pulse sign elsewhere this summer because nobody wants Dudley's contract. And let's not kid ourselves into thinking he's going to actually put the work in to improve - he's out of shape but still tweets about food every five minutes. Just permanently bench him until his contract finally comes off the books and take our lumps with Bullock in the starting lineup and Barnes playing spot minutes off the bench.

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Dudley has been crap but just because he's not 5% body fat it definitely doesn't make him unfit, technically more muscle makes you heavier and needs more oxygen to fuel them, I have seen a lot of people with about 20-35% body fat who run rings around me in the fun runs I have run!(5-20km) I may look fitter but in no way does it mean that I am. Like people say body type does have a play on things, in no way am I making an excuse for his poor play but attacking someone for their work ethic when you don't actually know what that said person puts in is wrong, just for example his body type is probably like mine, purely muscle perspective I put in 1-2 hours in the gym 4-5 days a week yet a friend of mine puts in half the work and doesn't even eat as clean as I do and it seems we have the same body fat and build.

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A lot easier coming off the bench playing against other bench players.

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