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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419534by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:10 PM PST
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Joe Johnson and Reggie Evans for Jared Dudley and Byron Mullens...LET'S DO THIS!!!

Sorry...I thought I'd have some fun while we were at it.



                
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Post ID: 419535by pageC4 » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:14 PM PST
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lol I would be all for it, but that would be a bigger robbery than the Pau Gasol trade

                
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Post ID: 419536by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:15 PM PST
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Dammit! Back to the drawing board, I guess.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419537by Agent0 » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:24 PM PST
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lol, is there a team alive that would trade for Mullens?

Of course Joe Johnson wouldn't care, he's making $21.5M either way.

This is unrelated to the wing issues, but how about Patrick Patterson who the Raptors just traded for? He makes $3M, he can't play C, but he'd be a nice backup big. I wonder if the Raptors would want to move him at some point in time during the season.

He's shot poorly this season, but he's a good shooter.

                
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Post ID: 419538by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:27 PM PST
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Brooklyn's not using Evans...they may as well NOT use Mullens. lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419539by Agent0 » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:28 PM PST
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LOL, well if Joe Johnson was making $4M it would be a good move, sadly he makes $21.5M, so it isn't even possible.

                
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Post ID: 419540by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:28 PM PST
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Um Pierce? Oh wait, we can't trade for him. Dammit, I just want Evans!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419541by Clippers_FTW » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:39 PM PST
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Man.. I had high hopes for Bullock.

                
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Post ID: 419543by pageC4 » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:53 PM PST
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lol, after Redick and Barnes were out with injury I realistically expected this team to lose most games. I told my wife that the silver linning was bullock getting more playing time as a result. similar to when Eric Gordon was a rookie it was essentially a bad year, but watching him develop gave you hope that with development next year could be so much better. this was my hope with bullock as well but this injury was during a horrible time where we need something positive to hold on to seeing that we are losing so much and dropping down in the standings.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419544by ClippersDA » Dec 08, 2013 - 08:57 PM PST
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Watching derozan is bumming me out. I like players like that who attack and pressure a defense. Apparently we could have gotten him for bled. I wish the front office was more creative, I feel like we could have gotten Redick without Dudley.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419550by Dunkathon » Dec 08, 2013 - 09:17 PM PST
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The Raptors just made off like bandits in that trade. They got a pass first point guard in Vasquez and some other good role players for the most overrated chucker in the league and two bench players.

                
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Post ID: 419552by Agent0 » Dec 08, 2013 - 09:25 PM PST
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We can't trade with Boston, we can trade for Pierce I believe, but Pierce also makes $15.3M, so we still have the same issue Sad

                
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Post ID: 419553by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 09:27 PM PST
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I see. Hmmm.

                
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Post ID: 419554by Agent0 » Dec 08, 2013 - 09:29 PM PST
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Bledsoe is better than DeRozan though, overall that is, DeRozan has been a better scorer. He even defends better despite his stature, and while DeRozan is shooting 37.3% 3PT this season, DeRozan had lower volume than Bledsoe last season and the season before while shooting 27.4%.

I can certainly see why they wouldn't want to take on DeRozan for $9.5M in that scenario. Why not just extend Bledsoe for like $8M and get better overall production (I'm talking about Bledsoe last year). Bledsoe if he was starting and healthy was a 16/5/5 player, so it's understandable, especially with how Doc wants to run his offense.

I still want Amir Johnson, but not based on his play tonight, which is nice, just based on how he plays in general.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419555by jarca » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:03 PM PST
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Great extension for Kobe lol

                
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Post ID: 419556by ClipperPostman » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:05 PM PST
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Honestly I think Bledsoe had to be traded because he wasn't going to accept a backup role at this point. HE was getting way to much hype last season.

This thread is confusing at best. Reddick is coming back, and we have a scoring 2 guard off the bench, so I don't see how having Derozan or Joe Johnson would make any sense.

I think at this point if we need a wing I want to see a multidimensional solid role player that DUDley was suppose to be.

Shannon brown and Pietrus to me fit that role. And pietrus having success with Doc already makes for a good combination.

                
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Post ID: 419557by ClipperPostman » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:07 PM PST
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I disagree. If we had Rudy Gay right now, we'd be pretty much unstoppable.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419559by Clippers_FTW » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:21 PM PST
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lets be honest here.. Bledsoe deserved to start.. Only problem we had was getting equal quality for him.. I'm feeling the JJ trade... I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about him for this team.. he absolutely fits... But Dudley... Man.. he looks slow out there. Thankfully he hit a couple 3's last game but he's been a habitual bricker from there.... I remember an interview where he said that corner 3 is like a layup for him.. well you've been missing a lot of layups bud... Calling Rudy Gay the most overrated chucker in the game?? So you wouldn't like his services on this Clippers? I've been waiting for an athletic big 3.. We haven't had one yet.. Not even close... Right now our best bet is to wait till JJ heals up and Barnes. With those two playing we are so much better. Dudley.. man.. such a disappointment. I really need for the dude to improve his shot and cut a few pounds.

                
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Post ID: 419561by Agent0 » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:31 PM PST
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I think your post exemplifies exactly why he called Gay overrated. There's a limit point where the ability to create just doesn't make up for inefficiency. Rudy Gay is WAY past that point.

Rudy Gay is an awful #1 option, and a bad #2 option, but IF he accepted the role, was more selective offensively and committed to defense, he could be a great #3 option, but of course not at his price tag.

Gay at like $8M on this team in a proper role, 3/D SF who can create once in a while (not most of the time) and not him trying to iso all game would be great. Of course the two problems are getting him to buy into the role and to accept that contract. Him at a balloon contract playing low IQ loosing basketball, it's better to look somewhere else.

About Bledsoe, you are right, but I actually meant in an expanded role. Bledsoe was only worth keeping an expanded role, not to be paying $8M+ for a guy to play <20 MPG. I wanted him to be the starting SG or a backup PG/SG playing 30+ MPG (Jamal's role).

...also Rudy bulked up and is like slow and fat Rudy now or something, it's weird.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419563by Clippers_FTW » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:47 PM PST
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http://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery ... n/2983913/ top 15 SF's for 13-14 (of coarse these are debatable)

  1. Shawn Marion, Dallas Mavericks: Now 35, age has worn on the veteran defender, but he remains a stabilizing force who can play both forward spots and rebound well for his size. Justin Ford, USA TODAY Sports (cant shoot)

  2. Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz: The former Butler star has improved with each season in the NBA and now will be the Jazz's primary playmaker with rookie point guard Trey Burke possibly out for the first two-plus months. Russell Isabella, USA TODAY Sports (very fond of him and his shooting)

  3. Chandler Parsons, Houston Rockets: Locked in for less than $1 million each of the next two seasons, the rangy shooter is one of the most efficient and cost-effective players in the NBA. Brett Davis, USA TODAY Sports (good friend of Blakes)

  4. Danny Granger, Indiana Pacers: Granger had led the Pacers in scoring five consecutive seasons before missing all but five games last season. His role is unclear, but expect him to be back with renewed authority. Michael Hickey, USA TODAY Sports (what will his role be in Indiana? I like him for this team)

  5. Thaddeus Young, Philadelphia 76ers: The best scorer on a bad team, Young may break out this season. The 25-year-old fits well at either forward spot and should have free rein unless he is traded. Howard Smith, USA TODAY Sports (dont know much about him, we'll see tomorrow I guess)

  6. Nicolas Batum, Portland Trail Blazers: The 24-year-old Frenchman showed his versatility during the first half of last season before slowing down in the second half because of injuries. He does everything well and should continue to improve this season. David Richard, USA TODAY Sports (not going anywhere, not sure the fit)

  7. Rudy Gay, Toronto Raptors: Traded by the Memphis Grizzlies midseason, Gay turned in a vintage performance in the second half. He looks to build on his strong finish and chemistry with a young Raptors team. Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports (Would much rather him have been in a Clipper Uniform than Sac town)

  8. Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs: A hero during the Spurs' NBA Finals run, the third-year forward seems primed for a breakout season. He is a fantastic rebounder and defender for his position. Soobum Im, USA TODAY Sports (not going anywhere)

  9. Josh Smith, Detroit Pistons: The Pistons' new star actually is a better fit at power forward, but he is one of the most versatile players in the NBA. His shot selection has always been the big issue, but Detroit has plenty of other options to encourage passing. Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports (I seem him more of a 4 but whatever)

  10. Luol Deng, Chicago Bulls: The NBA's leader in minutes per game the past two seasons had health issues in the playoffs last year. But Deng is a warrior, one of the hardest-nosed perimeter defenders around and a well-rounded player who probably needs to improve his shooting percentage. Jeff Curry, USA TODAY Sports (dont think he's going anywhere)

  11. Paul Pierce, Brooklyn Nets: The longtime Boston Celtics superstar plays angry. Now that he faces the indignity of being traded from the only team he'd played for, expect more of the same from Pierce, who had a terrific but under-the-radar season last year and still has a lot in his 36-year-old legs. Joe Camporeale, USA TODAY Sports (were not allowed to have him, though I'd be all smiles)

  12. Paul George, Indiana Pacers: No player put himself on the map during the playoffs quite like George, who emerged as a legitimate superstar. He already had the reputation as one of the five best perimeter defenders in the NBA, and now his scoring is catching up. Brian Spurlock, USA TODAY Sports (All I can say is AFA. This guy is the face of their franchise now, not going anywhere)

  13. Carmelo Anthony, New York Knicks: After all those points, Anthony finally won a scoring title last season. He finished third in MVP voting, but the two guys above him both also play small forward. Anthony's breakout came in part because he was allowed to slide down to power forward more often. Brad Penner, USA TODAY Sports (one of Chris's best friends, His team sucks, But I don't think we'd be able to afford him)

  14. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City Thunder: It's tough being second. Durant has held this mantle for three or four years now despite being good enough at every phase to be the best player in many eras. He had his best season last year, joining rarefied air in topping 50% from the field, 40% from three and 90% from the line. Mark D. Smith, USA TODAY Sports (not going anywhere)

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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419564by ClippersDA » Dec 08, 2013 - 10:54 PM PST
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I do t see us getting any of those guys but obviously kawhi Leonard or parsons would be great fits. We will get them when pigs fly though.

                
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Post ID: 419566by ClipperPostman » Dec 08, 2013 - 11:03 PM PST
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Rudy Gay is exactly what the clippers need.. And exactly what Rudy Gay needs.

for one I think you are underrating Gay. He can be very inefficient at times. But his explosive ability to get to the rim and score would fit in perfectly with our needs.

Especially with a PG like CP3 who can put him in a position to succeed.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419568by Voyeur » Dec 08, 2013 - 11:05 PM PST
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Gay's a small forward who can actually rebound.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419570by Dunkathon » Dec 08, 2013 - 11:23 PM PST
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Put Rudy Gay on this team, and we'll finish with an 8th seed at best. He's an overrated chucker who refuses to share the ball. Getting 7 points off of 12 shot attempts against a team like Brooklyn doesn't give me any sort of confidence in his ability to score buckets. Even a cursory look at his basic stats shows he's incredibly inefficient. We already have one ball dominant player in Chris Paul, who at least shares the ball a lot. Let's not get another.

Also, I can't see Gay ever accepting a lower role. He would demand the ball, and take away possessions not only from CP3, but also from JJ, Blake, and probably even Crawford. I would rather have Dudley than Gay, and that is saying something right now.

Don't forget he is the part of the reason why the Grizzlies lost to the Clippers in the playoffs two years ago.

Even if he would accept a lower role, and even if he somehow could benefit this team by not taking too many possession, we can't afford him at the moment. He's earning $17 million this year, with an option to earn $19 million next year. We would probably have to include DJ in any trade just to match salary caps. If the ESPN NBA Trade Machine is anything to go by, we would have to do something like DJ, Dudley, and Willie Green for Gay. Losing your starting center and a decent role player in Green just isn't worth it.

The only chance the Clippers have of somehow getting him is two years from now if he enters free agency and is willing to play for much less than he's currently making.

                
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Post ID: 419572by Clippers_FTW » Dec 08, 2013 - 11:36 PM PST
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Then who do you suggest? I know we can't get Gay. I mean he was just traded. But to throw him down like he's a terrible player is just wrong. Dude is good. Saying he'd make us 8th is completely laughable.

                
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Post ID: 419574by Dunkathon » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:06 AM PST
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Take a look at his shot attempts as compared to his actual makes.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... 5/rudy-gay

If you need 21 shot attempts to get 19 points (against Brooklyn, not counting free throws here), that's not good. If you need 37 shot attempts to get 25 points, that's even worse (against Houston). Unless your name is Lebron James or Kevin Durant (and even they are a bit iffy), no one should be taking 37 shot attempts in a game, especially if you only make 11 of them (as was the case with the Houston game).

Heck, take a look at his shot chart.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.ht ... rID=200752

He's less than 50% at the rim so far this season. AKA point blank range. If we're looking for someone to take it to the hoop, then we might want to look elsewhere. At least he's not terrible everywhere from 3, but we don't really need another jump shooter.

You make everyone around you worse because not only are you not scoring efficiently, but you're also emotionally taking your teammates out of the game (hence, why I don't take very many shots in pick-up cry ). That will impact both ends of the floor, and the last thing we need is an even more apathetic team than we currently have.

As for who I think is our best bet, it's obviously Lebron James. Don't know why nobody's called him yet. Very Happy

But seriously, Shannon Brown is likely our best bet. Maybe Stephen Jackson or Josh Howard. I hope no one thinks we can get an all-star caliber (or even above average) talent at small forward at this point in the season, because it's simply not going to happen. Any small forward we get at this point is basically just a band-aid until Barnes, Bullock, and Dudley recover from their respective injuries.

                
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Post ID: 419575by Agent0 » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:12 AM PST
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One of the weird things I noticed about Gay is that he doesn't actually get to the basket a lot, or as much as you would want/expect. It is either due to mediocre ball handling, lack or a great first step or just not wanting to, or a bit of all. He generally ends up taking pull up jumpshots that he doesn't make very well.

I feel like when he was younger he did more of that, but it seems like all he does now is pull up for jumpshots.

Technically Michael Conley was also a pretty good PG that should be able to put him in the position to score, but Rudy didn't play off the ball, so I mean if you get a guy the ball then he puts it on the floor and isolates, what can you do?

Still, his usefulness would be based on him changing his mentality and approach to the game. If he came to the Clippers being Mr. iso he would be taking possessions way from people who can use them much better with his pull-up mid-range jumpers that hardly go in.

We have to properly acknowledge that for his career he has been an iso player and an on ball player. It might be a wrong assumption to assume that he can now fit onto a team where Chris Paul has the ball, if not, Blake Griffin or Jamal has the ball and he's being called upon to be a complimentary guy and play off the ball a good amount.

He's never actually had a season where he played a primarily off-ball role (rookie season, but barely). His comfort zone is with the ball in his hand and isolating. Problem is that recently he just hasn't done that well enough to justify it, and even at his best he certainly shouldn't be doing as much of that on a team with Chris Paul and even Jamal Crawford. Both significantly better scorers / players with the ball in the hands, and Blake is a better decision maker with the ball in his hands.

Clippers_FTW, based on positive production, contracts, etc, I think it is safe to say the majority would take all those players except Pierce at his current level and Granger with his uncertainty over Rudy. It's just hard to justify that much money for all the negative production on offense, and he hasn't even been as committed to defense.


This is all just for fun discussion. In terms of the real discussion, we just need a player to not suck though. Well they can suck, but they have to do as little as possible where they don't negatively affect the team.

                
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Post ID: 419578by tense2 » Dec 09, 2013 - 01:12 AM PST
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If he we're being paid about 8 mil maybe, but at his current $ you're not getting the bang for the buck. Much better value out there.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419583by Clipperfn4lf » Dec 09, 2013 - 02:24 AM PST
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It's going to be captain jack

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419585by ClipperKyle32 » Dec 09, 2013 - 06:41 AM PST
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The Los Angeles Clippers are strongly considering the signing of former San Antonio Spurs swingman Stephen Jackson to fill their growing need on the wing, according to sources familiar with the team's thinking.

Sources told ESPN.com that Jackson, who has been searching for a new team since his sudden release by the Spurs shortly before last season's playoffs in April, has emerged as a prime candidate for the Clippers to sign as early as this week after a series of injuries have decimated L.A.'s depth.

Injuries suffered by starting guard J.J. Redick, top reserve Matt Barnes and rookie forward Reggie Bullock prompted Clippers coach Doc Rivers to announce after Saturday's loss in Cleveland that the Clippers essentially "have to look somewhere" for reinforcements.

"If you guys have any names, call me and let me know," Rivers told reporters. "I'll be on the phone tonight with [Clippers executives] Gary [Sacks] and Gerald [Madkins] and Dave Wohl and I'm praying they know somebody. We'll see. You never know."

Former Los Angeles Lakers and Phoenix Suns guard Shannon Brown has also been mentioned as a potential target, but Jackson has the sort of size, 3-point shooting range and playoff rsum that could well appeal to Rivers as the Clippers search to fill the void.

It was not immediately known how the prospect of a signing this week, if it indeed comes to fruition, would impact the Clippers' well-chronicled interest in re-signing veteran forward Lamar Odom. Rivers has spoken optimistically in recent weeks about Odom's chances of returning to the Clippers after a tumultuous offseason, but the mounting injuries have left L.A. with a more pressing need than Odom might be able to fill. Earlier this month, one source briefed on the state of the Clippers' courtship of Odom estimated that a return after Christmas was the most realistic timetable as the 33-year-old continues to work his way back into basketball shape.

Redick is out at least six weeks with a fracture in the small bone in his right hand and a tear of his right ulnar collateral ligament. Barnes has been plagued by a torn retina in his left eye that has already required two surgical procedures. And Bullock suffered a suspected high ankle sprain in the loss at Cleveland.

Jackson, meanwhile, has been working out on his own in Texas in hopes of hooking up with another contender. Spurs coach Gregg Popovich abruptly released the 35-year-old in April just six days before the end of the regular season because the Spurs felt that Jackson was unwilling to accept a lesser role in the playoffs behind fast-developing youngsters Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green.

Jackson later said in numerous interviews that he actually asked the Spurs to move him before the league's annual trade deadline in February but couldn't convince them to go along with the request.

                
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Post ID: 419586by realbull17 » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:03 AM PST
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i hope so. Very Happy

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419588by namzug » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:27 AM PST
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I'd actually like either Brown or Jackson.

If we were going to trade for anyone I'd like to take a look at Evan Turner, but that would just be a 1 year rental. Gordon Hayward from Utah would be great but not happening. I don't really know if Turner would be an option but would prefer him to Gay.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419594by worm » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:04 AM PST
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We need toughnees should be Jackson.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419598by Voyeur » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:20 AM PST
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I like that Jackson has played for GS, Indiana and the Spurs. Maybe all teams he might be up for?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419602by cleepers » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:29 AM PST
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I keep looking for the silver lining in this situation. I'm hoping it means Mullens gone at some point. Even if we use the open spot to fill the temporary wing need, we'd still have to offload him for help up front, right?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419604by Silasie » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:33 AM PST
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^Offloading that lump is a good idea whatever.

                
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Post ID: 419605by jerdogthompson » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:33 AM PST
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I'd give jackson a try, from what I recall of watching Daniels play he seems OK. Knowing Docs system is a plus I just don't recall him being active off the ball.

On a side note, that loss to the Cav's stung really bad. I checked box scores today and we were 33% from the field and 20% from behind the arc? They could not have beaten the JV league from a high school with that performance. To credit the Cav's D is an insult, I'm estimating over 50% of the missed shots were the wide open variety. And I will agree with Doc, those guys need to stop pouting when things don't go their way.

They better come out and thrash Philly tonight. This road trip had all the makings of 7-0 and the start of a 15-16 game winning streak for December like last year. I really hope they pull their collective heads out of their Arses soon and we will find ourselves getting passed up in a quick way which will lead to further dissention and internal strife which has a way of self perpetuating itself.

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Post ID: 419607by Silasie » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:37 AM PST
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Good post. Heads out of arses please!!!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419609by fullcourt » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:41 AM PST
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Willie and Dudley simply don't work on the wings to start the game. Starting those two together increases the pressure offensively on both Paul and Blake ten fold

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419611by Icecoldclipper » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:51 AM PST
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How about sign Jackson then move Dudley and Mullens (Dec. 15th) for Jason Thompson. Kings need a backup SF and are looking to deal Thompson. Paul/Collison/Wayns Redick/Crawford/Green Jackson/Bullock Griffin/Barnes/Jamison Jordan/Thompson/Hollins

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419613by jarca » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:58 AM PST
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movinig dudley and mullen would be equivalent to brian cook for nick young trade

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419614by uncool » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:00 PM PST
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SJax shot 29% from 3 last year... I like his toughness, but that scares me. I think Shannon Brown would be a bigger help because he's athletic.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419616by jarca » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:06 PM PST
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a lot revisionist history here. Now everybody wanted to keep Bledsoe or saying should have gotten a higher value

                
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Post ID: 419617by TheDude » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:11 PM PST
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If Jax looks good, it would be a great move for us. J Thompson would help us a lot and he's signed for reasonable money. Problem is they'd probably want Reggie instead of Mullens and I don't think we can afford to do that.

                
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If I remember correctly, I was okay with keeping Willie as starting SG and upgrading at the SF and C position when all this started.

I don't know what I was thinking. lol

Well, I'm still not 100% sold on DJ.

I kinda fell in love with the idea of the EJ and Lopez trade being speculated though. I liked the talk of Afflalo. Not ecstatic about Mayo. So when when got JJ I was quite pleased. I must admit, I just never noticed Jared at all. So I had no opinion about him whatsoever. I was fine with letting go of Bledsoe and Butler to fill positions we needed.

The injuries have thrown a big ol' monkey wrench into the situation.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419619by namzug » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:18 PM PST
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@uncool I like both, Brown shoots around the same but got to love the athleticism.

I would like to see us trade for someone who can penetrate and play while still shooting a respectable percentage from deep. Like what we wanted from Caron, but I think we might have gotten him a little too late in his career. I like Turner, but I think he might be too high priced next year so it would only be good for a year. With Turner we can turn our big 3 to big 4.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419620by clipsclaps » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:19 PM PST
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Taylor Griffin could help. He has shot 35% from the 3.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Looking For Help On The Wing Post ID: 419623by Agent0 » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:45 PM PST
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Sources told ESPN.com that Jackson, who has been searching for a new team since his sudden release by the Spurs shortly before last season's playoffs in April, has emerged as a prime candidate for the Clippers to sign as early as this week after a series of injuries have decimated L.A.'s depth. .
espn.go.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/669/sources-clippers-considering -stephen-jackson

Lol, first Byron Mullens, now Stephen Jackson. I mean technically, source could be anything, but still.

This is surprising "Jackson, meanwhile, has been working out"

Considering it is the same guy that said:

    "I don't work out. I ain't worked out my whole career," Jackson said.

    "I don't think they want to hear that - the Spurs don't want to hear that," Charlamagne responded.

    "That's me," Jackson said. "That's how I've been my whole life."

    "So you don't play no ball in the offseason?" Envy asked.

    "No," Jackson replied.

    "At all?" Envy asked.

    "No," Jackson said.

    "So not one jump shot?" Charlamagne followed.

    "I probably shot, probably ... it's online, the only time I worked out this summer," Jackson answered.

But there there's this issue:

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Spurs coach Gregg Popovich abruptly released the 35-year-old in April just six days before the end of the regular season because the Spurs felt that Jackson was unwilling to accept a lesser role in the playoffs behind fast-developing youngsters Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green.
Mmmm...

                
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namzug wrote:
@uncool I like both, Brown shoots around the same but got to love the athleticism.

I would like to see us trade for someone who can penetrate and play while still shooting a respectable percentage from deep. Like what we wanted from Caron, but I think we might have gotten him a little too late in his career. I like Turner, but I think he might be too high priced next year so it would only be good for a year. With Turner we can turn our big 3 to big 4.

The jury on Turner is still out. He's so far been a of those guys that needs the ball in his hands to be effective or at least produce stats, but then isn't good enough for you to put the ball in his hands on a good team because good teams will have been players to control the ball and then struggles to find a productive role when he doesn't have the ball.

So on bad teams where you sort of have no one better, he'll look nice, but his production isn't good enough to win games, but on a good team he won't produce enough and isn't as good a role player as more limited players but who are really good at some skill. He's a jack of all trades, master of none.

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Kings need a backup SF and are looking to deal Thompson.
Don't they have Travis Outlaw? I thought he had been playing well for them

                
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I heard the reason Pop cut him is because Pop demanded Jackson accept and even litereally admit that others on the team were better than he was. And he refused to admit it. That may have been Jackson's own words. Seemed like a strange think to ask a player to admit.

                
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