Clippers Vs. 76ers Official Game Thread 2013-12-09 (P. 5)

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gman
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They are struggling too. Plus Klay and Steph played 46 min each with steph throwing up 16 3 point shots making 5, with klay going 4-12.

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By the way Dudley wins the shoot out.

He goes 1-8 from deep with Jamal and Green tied at 1-6 from downtown.

Icecoldclipper
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Pretty strong win considering the bench gave us nothing at alland the starting wings were brutal.

tense2
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Speaking about shooting too much, Cradford in his last 5 games is 25/75 (.333%) and 5/28 (.179%) from 3PT land. Maybe we should move on from him too, lol.

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We need to cool it with the threes. Dudley especially. It just sucks because he was brought in solely to shoot threes and not be terrible on defense. Can't do either.

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Looks like we held them to 35.9% shooting overall and 18.5% 3 point shooting.

tense2
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You better look at Jamal with those eyes too. wink

Icecoldclipper
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Not liking Doc saying he wants his guys to continue to take those long shots. I don't care if they are open they need to put the ball on the floor. If we don't stop chucking Boston will make us pay with the scoring.

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^If they are good looks you should take them.

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We have to start Jax over Dudley. We can't afford another terrible outing from 3 land with our starters.

Jax will be rusty, but even then I'd bet he'd hit more than ONE out of eight wide open 3's.

Voyeur
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26 points, 8 rebounds, 3 blocks, 1 steal. Nice bounce back game from Blake! He needed it.

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^Both Blake and Paul needed it.

tense2
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Well good luck with that, he shot under 30% the last 2 years from 3PT. Career wise he's a .334% shooter from the 3.

Icecoldclipper
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Crawford bought the benefit being our best player since Paul came back from injury. His aggressive nature not only scoring but finding others (when healthy) kept us in games with Paul passiveness and Blake in a slump as of late. He was due for a bad game tonight but I am more than happy overall with the production of Jamal this season.

Collison seems to entering a mini slump since Memphis but nothing major. The bench production is highly dependent on the two guards and Barnes/Reggie.

tense2
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Jamal's FG% last 10 games .371 (53/143). 3PT% .219% (12/55). Just say'n.

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Ugly game, but the Clippers prevailed unlike the other night. Thankfully DeAndre Jordan was able to play, or else this could have been a different result. Sixers got a ton of offensive boards, and I shudder at how many more they could have gotten if Mr Iron Man didn't play. 21 rebounds and numerous intimidations- great job by DJ. Terrific bounce back games by the 2 super-stars CP & Blake. They were sharp and had good synergy together- good work defensively as well. Sixers tried to make other guys beat them with aggressive doubles & traps, but there was just enough (barely) contributed by the others scoring-wise to get this W.

Scary game coming up vs the Celtics. They defend pretty well, and shoot a decent % from deep, + got some quick wing players. The Clipper defense better be ready.

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^The Celtics are another crappy offensive team. Most teams in the East are mediocre offensively. If we actually make wide open shots and hustle on defense we should demolish them but sadly that probably won't be the case.

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He can improve no doubt but didn't see anyone else being aggressive. Again was still best players considering.

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^Certainly not better than CP3, BG or DJ. Might have been better than the other players since they were beyond crappy but that says nothing.

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Ok, I guess you can look at with those eyes. Smile

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If I had any luck at all, Dudley wouldn't be bricking wide open corner 3's.

Even if Jackson went 1-8 from 3pt range, I guarantee you he'd have better defense than Dudley and wouldn't allow soft fouls resulting in And-1's, also he's a better rebounder which we need ATM.

Jax averaged 0.8 3's a game last year while only playing 19 minutes coming off the bench, Dudley is averaging 1.2 wile playing 28 minutes a game. I'll take my chances.

tense2
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Ok, don't say I didn't warn you.....again. Razz

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We still have a long way to go but at least we got the win... on to Boston!

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We shouldn't be trying for open looks. We've bricked them the last two games. There is no reason why we shouldn't have had 110 pts. With our shooters we should be playing "inside out" These bricks will never work in the PO's.

Our bench's offense is "Give the ball to Jamal". I hope Antwan isn't going to pull a Grant Hill (I love you Grant) We need Collison and ??? to step up. Collison can get to the rack.

This is not a criticism at all but if DJ had only a couple of post moves we'd be unstoppable. If Blake is doubled we won't have to rely on brick jumpers. Unfortunately we haven't had a huge blowout where he can practice.

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^Will DJ have the space to be executing post moves it the 3PT shooters aren't making any shots? When the paint gets clogged, then instead he's turning the ball over trying to make moves through traffic.

If he's killing in the post and get's doubled, then he has to kick out to open shooters. If he's kicking it out and they aren't making any shots, then the offense still fails cause there's too much congestion inside and the other guys aren't making the opposition pay for it.

Portland like Mike mentioned is as effective on corner 3's as a player shooting 71% inside the arc. Golden State I believe was scoring 2 pts/100 possessions on transition three's, which is like 100% FG, lol

In the end, the guys need to make their shots...

...and certainly as a team if you have open shots you definitely should be shooting them. If you start passing up open shots, the defense doesn't miss that, they'll notice it and they'll just sag back.

Then you have poor spacing on your pick and rolls, on your drives, etc. The only problem is when you are taking bad shots, that is not acceptable.

That is true. Playing better than crap isn't really a compliment, lol

There's a LOT of struggling going on with the team right now, it is a lot more than any one particular person.

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I wouldn't be too critical of Jamal. We know what to expect from him. He's a streak shooter. But thankfully he's one of the more consistent streak shooters, if there is such a thing. We just need JJ back. Hopefully Jackson will be a nice shot in the arm until that happens.

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He is, but that doesn't usually manifest in 10 game stretches of awful shooting, he's been struggling along with everyone else, that's really the point, not to single out Jamal.

I don't know if the makes are what you should be considering, and I'm not sure you analyzed it well. 0.8 3PM in 19.5 minutes is 1.1 3PM in 28 minutes, so Dudley still wins. It makes sense without doing the actual accurate numbers because if you double it, it is 1.6 in 40 minutes, so he isn't making three's at a better rate.

Jackson was a bad offensive player by any measure. Watching him, his percentages, his TS%, his Ortg, Offensive RAPM, his turnover numbers. There's no good offensive player in the history of the NBA where every single statistic said the opposite, but he has been able to shoot before, but he also isn't the most hard working guy in the off-season, so it's hard to gauge.

Now, in terms of defense, who knows, but Popovich said this:

    "Jack has absolutely no idea what he's doing. And so neither does the offense." - Gregg Popovich, on what makes Stephen Jackson an effective defender

I mean that is sort of good and bad, lol, but it's still sort of good...

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Wait...weren't you the one who wanted a defensive player instead of Jamal early on in the season because you thought we needed more defense and already had enough offense? Why is offense all of a sudden priority #1 for you?

Jax is 35, but is most likely in better shape than Dudley. He can rebound the basketball, slash, defend and play dirty and physical.

Dudley can shoot the 3 decently.......yay Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_50

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Just because our team is shooting terribly doesn't mean taking open looks is a bad idea.

I know we're all going insane because the Clippers haven't been doing well recently, but have we seriously gone this insane? Have we really gone so far off the deep end that we believe open looks at the basket are a BAD thing?!

Greenmonk94
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look there in a slump.. every player goes through it.. just shows how we are so connected as a team.. when were on.. were all on... when were off were all off.. so i don't mind this slump.. as long its not 3 months from now

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You do realize playing Inside out MEANS kicking it to open shooters right... Very Happy

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Exactly. This is also because it is about establishing a pattern and a way of playing. You don't start playing bad basketball because shots aren't falling. If your offense is generating good shots, but you aren't making them, while it might look ugly, it isn't bad basketball, it's just bad shooting.

You want to establish that mentality of getting good shots though, and these open shots are good shots for guys who have career averages of 35%+ from 3PT range and who all shot 37%+ last season

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Blake is getting aggressively doubled so we have zero inside presence. The only thing we can do is kick it to a shooter. I would rather have a post player who can hit 45% and have to be guarded that depend on jump shots. We see what's happening when open looks ain't so open. It's hard to clog the paint when there are two guys to guard especially one who is long. If he has to be guarded with his back to the hoop he also sets a nice screen.

Again not a criticism, a wish

gman
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With all due respect, I think we are expecting too much out of a guy that is 35( I think) and on the decline, who also happens to be out of a job.

There is a reason why he got overlooked, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

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Yes but now it's only "out". When Blake is trapped we have no other option.

Be honest wouldn't you love to see DJ get a baby hook and score 15/game.

That addition plus only a few injuries--. I hope as he becomes more confident Doc will run plays for him. It's not a pipe dream

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Yep. Things I don't fault are taking good shots and bricking them(yes I get pissed off when we go 3-20 but I can't fault decent 3 point shooters for taking those shots if they are open). What I think is unacceptable is dumb decision making (offensively or defensively) and lack of hustle. Right now were not really doing the latter. We are simply bricking easy looks. Our defense has been solid and were getting good looks.

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great analysis.

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a baby hook and 15 points per game would be great, but that might be a little too much to ask for from DJ.. Well at least this season it is..

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Its not a priority at all. Much rather see DJ average 3 blocks a game than 15 ppg. He is doing amazing on the glass so no complaints when it comes to that.

Like Doc said he should be focused on trying to get DPOY not on offense.

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Oh I don't know...maybe it's because we can't put the ball in the hoop lately and our defense has been getting better, LOL.

Hope Jackson can help, but I wouldn't count on too much.

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While we are at it why not get an SF that can Turbo 360 dunk from the 3pt line.

Oh and a 2 that can shoot 70% from half court. Very Happy

ClipperPostman
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I would rather have pietrus or shannon brown personaly.

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The Sixers played very well tonight.. They just don't let up, even being a lot less talented as the Clippers... Hurry back Redick...

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Wait...are you saying our defense got better, and we didn't even have to trade Jamal?? Oh boy my head is swimming, I need to lie down.

But seriously the reason our shots haven't been falling lately is because our best shooters are either injured, out of shape or haven't played enough games this year to get in a rhythm.

Dudley is obviously going to be our starter down the road when everybody is healthy and in shape, but right now we need a player who can do more than nothing if his shot isn't falling.

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I agree with Pietrus, but I'm not sure about Shannon Brown. From what I remember, Pietrus was a solid defender and a good shooter. He'd be a good fit. Not to mention he's still only 31.

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You forgot one and a half gainer with a twist.

Doc said that if he takes care of defense offense will come.Does he mean Picking up the garbage of getting own touches? He has shown some nice moves and it is well within the realm of possibility that by PO's he will have one move and that he will have SOME offensive presence. These are not mutually exclusive.

Basic point is that in the last two games we scored less that 100 pts and we bricked jumper after jumper. They've got me a bit worried. Good looks are not good looks when you reliably miss. DJ aside is there a Plan B?

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I get what your saying. But you do realize asking a guy to become DPOY, average 15/pts, 13 rebounds, and learn offensive post moves in one season is pretty unrealistic.

That would make DJ a first ballot hall of fame center.

But hey I'll take 11 and 21 rebounds and solid defense any day.

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Last time I checked we won't his game.

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The Sixers didn't play that well.

Jamal 3/12, 1/6 3pt; Dudley 4/15, 1/8 3pt; Paul 10/18, 2/3 3pt; Green 3/11, 1/6 3pt

Cavs 82 point loss

Dudley 4/8, 0/3 3pt; Paul 4/16, 1/6 3pt; Green 4/13, 2/8 3pt; Jamison 0/5; Jamal 3/15, 2/9 3pt

Atlanta 97 pt loss

Dudley 4/10, 1/5 3pt; Paul 7/17, 0/3 3pt; Green 3/9, 1/2 3pt; Jamal 5/12, 0/4 3pt

12/65 from 3pt

These are teams that should have been pushovers.Three games in a row I'm sure many were open looks but with shooting like this we get swept If it happens once or twice it's a fluke or aberration. Three in a row is a problem. Saying "The shots just aren't falling today" is another way of saying "we just won't win today"

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21 boards is f*cking insane insane Wilt is smiling in his grave but that's not an every nighter??? DJ has pulled a work of art on Duncan in the paint. He has made some incredible moves.I don't think he has to learn. They are there already. If given baby steps it will come without forcing it. Please see the shooting % from the last three games. Something has to happen. What he is learning is how to impose his will in the paint. That doesn't preclude scoring. Remember, Jamal disappeared in the PO's

As far as asking too much, to win a ring you ask for everything he has and more. That's what will win in a ring. Asking and telling are different. Being DPOY like MVP doesn't win games.They are simply titles. I don't care if he's DPOY or not. Bringing what a team needs does win games.

Trust me.

Speaking of trust me, I have a great used car I'd like to sell you if you do. Smile

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