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tense2
Post ID: 419924by tense2 » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:27 PM PST
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You'll probably be saying that about Jackson real soon. Wink



                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419925by Akclipps » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:33 PM PST
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Well i'd rather take chances on Jax shooting 3 ball than dud. Atleast he knows how to step up making crucial 3balls during playoff basketball with or without opponents hand on his face.

                
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Post ID: 419928by tense2 » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:38 PM PST
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We'll see, we'll see.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419931by Icecoldclipper » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:47 PM PST
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If Dudley is still injured he will need the rest anyway

                
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Post ID: 419934by tense2 » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:51 PM PST
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That might be the biggest benefit to this whole thing. Get Barnes back and he and Jackson can alternate until Jared gets healed up. He needs to sit until he can play without that hindrance.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419938by david » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:58 PM PST
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I'm not getting my hopes up, but I guess S-Jax is the best available out there to fit the Clippers' needs. At least he will be able to grab more rebounds & is a more aggressive player than Dudley. Jackson also can score in the post as well. As long as he plays within himself and have a good attitude, it's kind of a no-lose signing for the team.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419941by Steady818 » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:08 PM PST
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Captn Jack could be a steal of a pick up..

Or he can actually be a dud and not contribute anything we shall see

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419943by TheDude » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:23 PM PST
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He should start our next game. Dudley is getting worse every game.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419944by Agent0 » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:29 PM PST
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Why wouldn't the team just put Jamison at PF in that scenario? Jackson isn't really a small ball PF. Barnes played that role for GS for example.

Honestly, I'm just happy about a body to fill in. Anything more than being a body is extra. I'll take the realistic expectation route from a guy who last shot: 37.1% FG and 27.1% 3PT om 170 3PA in 55 games, went 0for in 30 out of those 55 games (55% of the time), who has only hit 27.9% of his last 340 3PT attempts and who turns the ball over a lot more than he should have been the past few seasons.

Jackson has played a lot of bad basketball, and even if he was defending well, which he's been okay I think, there was too much suckiness to make up for all the negatives.

So really, I don't know what to expect, hopefully his shot is back and he takes smarter shots.

                
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Post ID: 419945by Agent0 » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:35 PM PST
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Terrible Dudley (21 games): 10.5 pts/36, 45.6% FG, 34.1% 3PT, .550 TS%

Jack the past two seasons (102 games): 12.6 pts/36, 37.1% FG, 27.9% 3PT, .480 TS%

So I think we need to have a more leveled expectation at least in terms of shooting and scoring. He turns it over too much now for us to really want him creating, but at least he's grabbed rebounds, 5.0 per 36 last two seasons. Defense is a mystery, who actually knows what we'll get from him there, could be decent, could be bad, we'll see....

...but let's not get carried away as to whether he's improving the team, most likely isn't, but he's preventing Dudley from playing 38 minutes in a game.

                
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Post ID: 419949by letitbled » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:50 PM PST
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He has a sore knee. Many players have similar injuries. Nothing against him personally but his game has always been mediocre and the knee just makes it that much worse.

                
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Post ID: 419950by toohipcliptoslip » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:53 PM PST
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I believe he is #15 on our roster. I don't think we can waive anybody. Actually Hollins isn't playing badly. At $4.25 mill Dudley will be hard to dump. How many SF's? Dudley, Mat, Bullock and Jax.

SG Willie, JJ, Jamal. Matt can play SG.

A trade with Wille. Good pickup for $1.4 mill 2014-15 not guaranteed.

LO sign and trade. Can we do it? We could have Mullins extend his arms and we could trade him as a coat rack

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419959by wessleejr » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:17 PM PST
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When we sign Dudley a lot of us here said that he is a good addition, and when we sign Jamison a lot of us said not a good pick up, but now it's reverse, Jamison in a limited minutes play better than Dudley and cheaper, so we'll see how Jackson fit to Doc system. Why not give a try to Jamison at SF. and put Dudley in the bench for a while.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419963by Steady818 » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:29 PM PST
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At the very least if jackson can't provide anything for this team what's going to happen he is going to get put behind dudley barnes and probably bullock??

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419965by ohMEohMy! » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:31 PM PST
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I still think Dudley is going to play better for us as the season goes along. Regardless, I like the Captain Jack signing for the defense, toughness, and the fact that he's a guy who will always play have his teammates' backs.

                
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Post ID: 419967by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:40 PM PST
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Right now we need to play him a lot less minutes or bench him. Honestly his play has gradually been getting worse. He needs to rest his knee but he is playing heavy minutes due to the injuries we have. Once Barnes gets back hopefully his minutes are severely reduced.

                
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Post ID: 419968by Agent0 » Dec 09, 2013 - 11:54 PM PST
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It's funny because Jamison hasn't actually played that well, he's even shot terrible, but because the comparison is Mullens who was a miserable defender, that's why it has been "good". Most people didn't think Jamison couldn't score, but that since the team has already signed Mullens, a big who could rebound and defend made more sense.

I said it in summer, but I would have rather not signed Mullens, signed Jamison, and then still looked for a more rebound / defense oriented big.

On the other hand, a lot of people thought Mullens would be good, though I don't know why (potential or that one good game he had or something), but look at how that has turned out. Collison has disappointed in comparison to most's expectations, while Redick didn't originally impress some people but has been the best acquisition.

So really, who knows?

                
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tense2
Post ID: 419969by tense2 » Dec 10, 2013 - 12:02 AM PST
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His career FG% and 3PT% are all about average. He's been an average to slightly below average rebounder all his career. He's an average defender. So with all that if that's what you define as mediocre...ok.

                
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Post ID: 419973by ClipperPostman » Dec 10, 2013 - 12:19 AM PST
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I think we all need to bite the bullet and say DUDley needs to take about a month off and let the tendinitis get better. Like I've said before Tendinitis isn't like other injuries where regardless of what you do, as long as you don't re-injure it it will heal.

Tenditis just keeps flaring up with physical activity, over and over again. So realistically this will be the same DUDley we have in the playoffs.

                
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Post ID: 419974by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 10, 2013 - 12:31 AM PST
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If most of our wings weren't out this would be a realistic option. I have to admit my patience when it comes to Dudley is running thin. I hope our wings get better soon so we can bench him. I want him at 100% in the playoffs.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419991by Clippers_FTW » Dec 10, 2013 - 08:18 AM PST
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He doesn't like Ibaka ... I'm down lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419992by renshaibob » Dec 10, 2013 - 08:24 AM PST
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Dudley is just slow, Nothing to do with his knee

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 419993by Clippers_FTW » Dec 10, 2013 - 08:31 AM PST
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Duds has been a disappointment for me 😩

                
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Akclipps
Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420002by Akclipps » Dec 10, 2013 - 11:30 AM PST
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Does anybody know when is captain Jax going to be with the team?

                
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Post ID: 420008by tense2 » Dec 10, 2013 - 11:56 AM PST
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He maybe slow, but the knee doesn't help with that or his shooting.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420010by proverbs » Dec 10, 2013 - 12:24 PM PST
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Akclipps, is that a real photo of 2pac?

                
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Post ID: 420012by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 01:09 PM PST
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Well I heard for the Boston game, but I also heard that it was all just a rumor.

But if anyone has the latest let us know.

                
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Post ID: 420015by clipper*joe » Dec 10, 2013 - 01:26 PM PST
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he has to take a mandatory physical first. When we hear that is completed, we will know when he suits up.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420016by david » Dec 10, 2013 - 01:40 PM PST
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Sounds like he has passed the physical and has already gone to the airport to join the Clippers in Boston.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420017by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 01:43 PM PST
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Wow, so we might see him play tomorrow!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420018by wessleejr » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:01 PM PST
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Can't miss the game tomorrow I want to see if he has something to help us

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420020by CP3Best » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:24 PM PST
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I want him to hit more 3s than dudley did against Philly, Green struggling too. Did dudley hit any of his wide open 3s, he chucked like 5...

                
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Post ID: 420021by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:30 PM PST
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He was 1-8 on the 3 ball. Green 1-6. But CP was 2-3.

                
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Post ID: 420022by ClipperPostman » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:38 PM PST
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Here we go again with more unrealistic expectations. You think a guy who hasn't played professionally in over half a year, with no training camp, and just signed a day ago is going to come in and have a real impact on a game?

You are setting him up for failure already. It will take some time to get adjusted the offense and defensive schemes as well as game condition.

                
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Post ID: 420023by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:42 PM PST
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That's a good pt. At the moment it is about getting him up to scratch and giving Dudley a blow every now and then.

                
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Post ID: 420024by Agent0 » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:44 PM PST
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CP3Best wrote:
I want him to hit more 3s than dudley did against Philly, Green struggling too. Did dudley hit any of his wide open 3s, he chucked like 5...
Well....Jack went 0 for in 26/55 games last season from 3PT range. Two games he attempted 0, so that's okay. One game he attempted 1, so I mean it's fine that you don't go 100%. 20 games he attempted 2 or more, 9 games 3 or more and made none.

The year before he shot 25% or below from 3PT range in 28/47 games (60% of the time). Last year he also shot 40% or lower FG% in 37/55 games (67% of the time), so that should guide expectations.

Consistent 3PT shooting has never really been an attribute of his, and certainly not in recent years. Even for his career he's below average compared to the league. I think if we get anything above 33% from him, we can't really complain. I'm not saying that is "good", but I'm just saying it would be out of character for him to be shooting well and consistently from 3PT range for any long period of time.

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Here we go again with more unrealistic expectations. You think a guy who hasn't played professionally in over half a year, with no training camp, and just signed a day ago is going to come in and have a real impact on a game?

You are setting him up for failure already. It will take some time to get adjusted the offense and defensive schemes as well as game condition.

Exactly, this is the same thing that happened with Mullens. These are cases where you should expect little and really expect well below average production, but if they give more, that's extra and a surprise.

The main thing is that Dudley won't have to play 38 minutes in a game. That is the value.

When you start expecting (you can wish, but expecting is different) him to have high impact or be a good player, then it's just putting unrealistic expectations that the guy hasn't been able to achieve in 3 years

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420025by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:49 PM PST
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If he's not great with the 3 ball, what does he have to offer if he is playing well?

                
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Post ID: 420026by Agent0 » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:53 PM PST
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Well he used to be at least average ro above average with the 3PT shot. Combining that with solid defense and all-round skills despite turnovers, he was an above average player.

Of course he wasn't 35 years old then either. What does he offer now when he's playing well? Honestly I have no clue.

I mean in an individual game anyone can play well, so he can have a game here and there where he shoots well, but of course outliers aren't really what we should base anything on.

Honestly I'm not sure, I'm interested in finding out myself, but as of now it isn't about how good he is, but about the team having injuries and not wanting to play an injured guy who's already struggling 38 MPG.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420027by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 02:56 PM PST
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Do you know what his average mins were for the Spurs last season?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420028by Voyeur » Dec 10, 2013 - 03:07 PM PST
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He sounds super stoked to play, so that alone might bring some energy.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420029by Steady818 » Dec 10, 2013 - 03:21 PM PST
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All we need with Stephan Jackson is him playing with energy.. Hopefully he is in shape and can come and take the spot as a replacement for our injured wings..

                
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Post ID: 420030by Agent0 » Dec 10, 2013 - 03:54 PM PST
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksst02.html

                
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Post ID: 420041by Silasie » Dec 10, 2013 - 06:48 PM PST
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Thanks. So that is where u get your stats.

19 mins a game if anyone wants to know.

                
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Post ID: 420045by pageC4 » Dec 10, 2013 - 07:47 PM PST
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he could be. I'm excited to see him. too bad I don't have prime ticket

                
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Post ID: 420046by Agent0 » Dec 10, 2013 - 07:51 PM PST
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Very useful site. NBA.com is kinda of winning the game right now, but basketball-reference is still better for quick reference.

NBA.com has a lot of situation stuff as well as videos so you can really see how players are doing what they do. Saves me time in trying to find games of a player who I'd like to get a better grasp on, that's for sure, and much better than highlights where you usually see all the good.

                
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Post ID: 420047by pageC4 » Dec 10, 2013 - 07:51 PM PST
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Really? sweet, him and Barnes can enforce. BTW, Ibaka has been in so much s##t you can't help but conclude that he is a problem...you just don't find yourself in that many fights if you're innocent

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420048by Agent0 » Dec 10, 2013 - 07:56 PM PST
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Ibaka ain't about that life

He made the tweet after something happened with Artest, but he later clarified that it was because the last two times they played he told Ibaka that. The timing was obviously weird.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Clippers Sign Stephen Jackson. Post ID: 420049by Voyeur » Dec 10, 2013 - 08:09 PM PST
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Well, guess which team we play on Dec 16th, by the time Jackson is just getting settled in?

                
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Post ID: 420055by pageC4 » Dec 10, 2013 - 09:18 PM PST
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Good we will need someone who can get in Ibaka's face. That was some cheap **** he tried to pull against Blake. Man I miss having Reggie Evans. I still remember how he got in Ibaka's face. Hopefully someone elbows Ibaka in the head again to beat some sense into him

                
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Post ID: 420057by pageC4 » Dec 10, 2013 - 09:32 PM PST
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I think that's another positive about this acquisition. If Jackson ends up being a decent acquisition we can sit Dudley as long as needs to have that injury healed.

                
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